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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #120 on: June 01, 2013, 02:47:57 PM »
Another reason we won't ever forget...
 
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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #121 on: June 01, 2013, 05:19:52 PM »
   We Northerners or better yet Yankees keep stirring the pot do we ?   Who was it that started Civil War AKA War of Northern Aggression ?   It seems the start of this stupid discussion wasn't by a Northerner at all.  Easy to pass the blame tho isnt it ? 
  How much have you heard about our ancestors that were lost in this war ?  I know that doesnt matter because we are Yankees.  yeah I am a YANKEE and Im proud of it .  I lost Family I didnt know also.  In the North its over, Done, We all lost.  I dont disrespect the south, its Flag or the people until its thrown at me .  Now go ahead and whistle Dixie if you want but at least take a minute and catch up with the times ..
 
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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #122 on: June 02, 2013, 04:09:30 AM »
Just curious, where is your geographical Yankee area? I know north of Mason Dixie is the easy answer, but most of the venom seems to be targeted at the northeastern city people. Which really is hard to argue, I have no use for them either...
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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #123 on: June 02, 2013, 04:17:36 AM »
Just curious, where is your geographical Yankee area? I know north of Mason Dixie is the easy answer, but most of the venom seems to be targeted at the northeastern city people. Which really is hard to argue, I have no use for them either...




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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #124 on: June 02, 2013, 04:44:52 AM »
Help me here with the designation of either Blue or Red for the various States.
 
In much of the world the colour Red is assigned to Socialist/Communist Govt/Countries. The other bunch gets the Blue label.
 
So, unless I'm 180 degrees turned around why are the Repubs States called Red on TV??
 
Anyway to the OP point. Having no ancestors on either side I'll try my best to bypass States that are controlled by Dems. regardless of their Latitude.
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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #125 on: June 02, 2013, 05:38:29 AM »
Just curious, where is your geographical Yankee area? I know north of Mason Dixie is the easy answer, but most of the venom seems to be targeted at the northeastern city people. Which really is hard to argue, I have no use for them either...

Buckskin, not sure if your question was asked of me but will gladly answer.
I am about as far north in Vermont as your gonna get. I'm a stones throw from Canadian border. Northern New york (though not a new England State) Vermont , Northern New Hampshire and Maine have very little in common with lower New England states, (especially the fast big cities which is a melting pot of many walks of life). We are very rural. heck we have more cows than people. I get a bit pissed off when folks who have never been here lump us all together. That's like me saying  all southerners should be stereotyped a certain way .

To stereotype a whole group of folks by where they live geographically is ridiculous crap.
Just like judging a person by the tone of their skin is crap. 

I have many many military friends and family from both the north and the south who thank GOD refuse to think like some of the folks who have commented here with inherent prejudice and bigotry only to keep stirring a pot of bygone days.

My better half was Born "By the grace of God" a Texan, as she would say, and as a young single gal moved to GA. We have Family scattered all over the south and all points west. She moved to VT with me when work took me north and back home. She loves the State , the people , and the way of life.

Just like I don't judge all southerners , by a few bad apples , I expect the same respect and have little tolerance for those who choose to remain ignorant in 2013 and continue to perpetuate stereotypes and cling to asinine grudges only to promote division.



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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #126 on: June 02, 2013, 07:36:43 AM »
Is Vermont not a Democrat state?  Isn't it true that Vermont condones and promotes gay pride and marriage?  Are there not more gays in Vermont than straight people?  Is Vermont not where white gays go to be not only tolerated but welcome?  Does the Vermont gov't not advocate the killing of children? 
 
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  • Vermont
  • New Jersey
  • Connecticut
  • Massachusetts
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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #127 on: June 02, 2013, 08:15:51 AM »
Is Vermont not a Democrat state?  Isn't it true that Vermont condones and promotes gay pride and marriage?  Are there not more gays in Vermont than straight people?  Is Vermont not where white gays go to be not only tolerated but welcome?  Does the Vermont gov't not advocate the killing of children? 
 
I know.  Let's make a list of the worst places in the U.S.
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  • Vermont
  • New Jersey
  • Connecticut
  • Massachusetts
  • New York

See Mike here is where you pull your pants down on a gun website once again and show your backside.
Vermont has the best and most liberal gun laws in the U.S. We promote taking care of our natural resources , and our hunting is superb. The difference in Vermont is Dems and Republicans have managed to work together and move forward irregardless of who is majority or minority. 

Hows your vaginal probe Gov doing?
For a party that supposedly promotes small Govt. Your legislature sure likes to stick their nose in every aspect of a VA citizens private life , in their bedroom , between a patient and their doctor , etc etc ..  It's no wonder why Obama took the state.

And since you were sleeping through the last 2 presidential election cycles FYI VA voted Democrat. 

Ridiculous..

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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #128 on: June 02, 2013, 08:16:22 AM »
Just curious, where is your geographical Yankee area? I know north of Mason Dixie is the easy answer, but most of the venom seems to be targeted at the northeastern city people. Which really is hard to argue, I have no use for them either...

Buckskin, not sure if your question was asked of me but will gladly answer.
I am about as far north in Vermont as your gonna get. I'm a stones throw from Canadian border. Northern New york (though not a new England State) Vermont , Northern New Hampshire and Maine have very little in common with lower New England states, (especially the fast big cities which is a melting pot of many walks of life). We are very rural. heck we have more cows than people. I get a bit pissed off when folks who have never been here lump us all together. That's like me saying  all southerners should be stereotyped a certain way .

To stereotype a whole group of folks by where they live geographically is ridiculous crap.
Just like judging a person by the tone of their skin is crap. 

I have many many military friends and family from both the north and the south who thank GOD refuse to think like some of the folks who have commented here with inherent prejudice and bigotry only to keep stirring a pot of bygone days.

My better half was Born "By the grace of God" a Texan, as she would say, and as a young single gal moved to GA. We have Family scattered all over the south and all points west. She moved to VT with me when work took me north and back home. She loves the State , the people , and the way of life.

Just like I don't judge all southerners , by a few bad apples , I expect the same respect and have little tolerance for those who choose to remain ignorant in 2013 and continue to perpetuate stereotypes and cling to asinine grudges only to promote division.



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Hey, I was just asking the question of what a Yankee is to the average southerner...  I'm up in Wisconsin and I've never heard of anyone here labeling themselves as a yankee, so I was just curious where the border was these days... And since I pointed out northeastern city people, you wouldn't fit that discription. 
 
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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #129 on: June 02, 2013, 08:31:30 AM »
I didn't get an answer there scootrd.  Just some talk about removing my pants.  I think that proves my point about gays in Vermont. 

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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #130 on: June 02, 2013, 08:44:53 AM »
I didn't get an answer there scootrd.  Just some talk about removing my pants.  I think that proves my point about gays in Vermont. 

There are gays in VT ? Ohhh Nooo ...Bar the door.

I know there sure arn't any in VA, but best to check under the seat cushions and inside your closets.

and yes I did previously answer directly. - VT legislature stays out of peoples bedroom , and respects patient doctor confidentiality. Unlike VA. Given the choice I'll take those scary gays any day than a legislative body that pretends to be for small govt but intrudes in every aspect of a persons private life.

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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #131 on: June 02, 2013, 11:38:56 AM »
Just curious, where is your geographical Yankee area? I know north of Mason Dixie is the easy answer, but most of the venom seems to be targeted at the northeastern city people. Which really is hard to argue, I have no use for them either...
  Where am I from ?  My SN should give it away, but Vermont, Central area .  Now if your directing this at the couple big cities that are Not up our way Ill agree there Rude and hatefull as all hell, are they considered New Englanders   No in my opinion.
 
Mike  You forgot one State   Virginia or at least around your area obviously.  Isnt that where they allow terrorist to be Buried ?? One other thing before you pull up your drawers dont forget,,,  ahh go ahead nobody will notice anyway.
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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #132 on: June 02, 2013, 01:14:57 PM »
I have a buddy who was born and raised in Virginia, except for a time he lived in Germany. I kid him about being a yankee, and he jokes about it himself. But while he lived in Virginia, it was in the Wash DC megalopolis.


I think a lot of the perceptions some southerners have about "yankees" is really more toward rural/small town attitudes versus metropolitan attitudes. There are folks I meet and think "what a yankee" and then think about it and they have never lived anywhere but the south.


Just about any family is just one or two generations away from becoming transformed from southerner to northerner, or vice versa, due to employment conditions or opportunites. While I consider myself as having lived in the south my whole life, job condiitons took me to LaCrosse Wisconsin for a several months about 30 years ago. In the last 15 years, I have been on church building mission trips to small towns in New England. I would say about all the folks I met were not what I had predisposed as yankees, but I know some folks who grew up in small southern towns and moved to major metro areas in the south and have adopted attitudes that have been described here as yankees. 



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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #133 on: June 02, 2013, 04:50:41 PM »
Seems cowardice to me. Not something to be proud of in my eyes.

If your were still carrying that grudge after all those years , you should have confronted him directly.

Sorry, I have been away part of the weekend and just got back to this subject tonight.
Let's see, I would have been about 18 or 19 and him about 28 or 29 at the time of my payback.
I could have met him face to face and may or may not have won the battle.
Either way he would have known who was gunning for him.
My way served my purpose and he never knew I ever paid him back.

Maybe you have never heard of gorilla warfare or the art of hit and run tactics.
That is something the north feared the most was the famed GRAY GHOST, Colonel JOHN S. MOSBY and his men.
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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #134 on: June 03, 2013, 01:53:06 AM »
I live HERE. I live NOW. Not 150 years ago.  ;D I grew up in the south, too.

Really you do ? and what generation are you that comes from the South ?
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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #135 on: June 03, 2013, 02:44:11 AM »
Seems cowardice to me. Not something to be proud of in my eyes.

If your were still carrying that grudge after all those years , you should have confronted him directly.

Sorry, I have been away part of the weekend and just got back to this subject tonight.
Let's see, I would have been about 18 or 19 and him about 28 or 29 at the time of my payback.
I could have met him face to face and may or may not have won the battle.
Either way he would have known who was gunning for him.
My way served my purpose and he never knew I ever paid him back.

Maybe you have never heard of gorilla warfare or the art of hit and run tactics.
That is something the north feared the most was the famed GRAY GHOST, Colonel JOHN S. MOSBY and his men.
Hit & Run, Live To Fight Another Day!
I only fight with one thing in mind and that is to win at all cost and I will use any means at my disposal to accomplish my goal.
I wasn't out to win no popularity contest.
Remember, this ain't the Saturday matinee westerns where the good guys always win.
 
 
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That was a cheap shot; nothing to be proud of. It DOES sound like what I've seen of the "south's gonna rise again" crowd. And that's not guerilla warfare; it was just the act of a kid who was out for revenge and afraid to stand up to the other guy.
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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #136 on: June 03, 2013, 02:45:03 AM »
I live HERE. I live NOW. Not 150 years ago.  ;D I grew up in the south, too.

Really you do ? and what generation are you that comes from the South ?

You'll have to clarify the question.
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

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« Reply #137 on: June 03, 2013, 03:00:42 AM »
I grew up in the south, lived in the north for about 3 years, and am now married to a northern woman.  Now, my family didn't have slaves, too poor.  HOWEVER, they rememeber and passed down all the NORTHERN reconstruction attrocities.  The south was raped and raided.  Blacks tried to follow Sherman and his march across Georgia.  He cut them off and didn't want them following him.  So, they ended up more poor than under slavery.  In all slave states TOTAL, only 10% owned slaves.  In Mississippi it was about 50%, in the border states it was far less.  Of that 10%, actually only 10% were cruel to their slaves.  Most slaves were contented and happy to be taken care of.  If all were so mistreated, then why didn't they through their anger, overtake and kill all the slaveowners?  They didn't.  They relied on their former owners for sharecropping and a place to live.  Farming was all they knew.  Most even adapted their former owners last names.  It was extremists in the north who pushed for war, and extremists in the south gave it to them.  Before the Civil War most were loyal to their state before the Union and followed their state into war. 
 
Today, with the advent of the Welfare Society, blacks are taught to hate whites and that they owed them.  This was NOT true in the begining of the Civil Rights movement.  I lived through it.  My wife sees what the Welfare mentality has caused the poor blacks to become.  They are still dependent, and now they live on the Welfare plantation.  They really have no freedom.  High drop out rates, high crime rates in their neighborhoods, gang members running things, rolling stone fathers.  Until THEY take control of their own lives, only then will they ever be able to pull themselves up.  They have to stay in school.  They have to give up drugs, prostitution, having babies for money.  They have to get the skills needed to enter the middle class.  Whites have given over $4 trillion to welfare, and it is worse than ever.  It is high time blacks got out of poverty themselves through education, trade skills, etc, and learned to work hard, take care of what they have, and pull themselves up.  We aren't stopping them, they are stopping themselves. 
 
75% of murders in America are in 4 cities, New York, Chicago, Washington DC, and Los Angeles.  90% of that is black on black crime.  Hmmmm.  No ammout of gun control will stop this violence, only their own selves.  We have seen this in the south for years.  It is time for northerners to see what we see.  We whites are NOT the problem.  We have given till it hurts.  Time they took control of their lives and improved them, instead of tearing down what was given to them.  If you don't work for it, it doesn't mean as much to you if it is free. 

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« Reply #138 on: June 03, 2013, 09:19:55 AM »
Well said, Dixie.  An honorable stance.  Very well said. 
 
I'll add this, which you probably won't agree with.  Slavery was not the North's affair.  It was a workable system.  No, I don't advocate slavery, but it worked.  And if we could go back and ask those slaves if they wanted to be shipped back to Africa and to the life they had there, they would all have said no.  Maybe not all.  I'm sure there were some owners who starved and abused their slaves.  But that was not the case with slavery in general.  They were cared for and fed.  The ugly side of slavery has been so pounded into our brains through books and movies, that most people alive today think slaves suffered horribly.  They did not.  They were a valuable asset to their owners, and were well cared for just like a modern plantation owner takes care of his tractor. 
 
Lordy, you can have a heart attack with that truth being stated.  Comparing slaves with tractors?  How horrible.  The truth is often horrible. 
 
My point is, the north did more damage than good.  Their self-righteous aggression fouled up a working system that everyone but Lincoln and the northerners were fine with.  I mean they really screwed it up for the black race.  If you think different, look again at Dixie's post about the pitiful conditions that have existed since the unwarranted aggression.
 
For those who believe the war is over, look at the crime/murder rate in black society.  The majority of them live in a civil war arena.  Look at the prison population.  Look at police files.  Talk to a 20 year old black person in the northern slums and ask him how things are going. 
 
They are worse off now than then.   
 
 

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« Reply #139 on: June 03, 2013, 09:29:08 AM »
I live HERE. I live NOW. Not 150 years ago.  ;D I grew up in the south, too.

Really you do ? and what generation are you that comes from the South ?

You'll have to clarify the question.

 Ok how long has you family lived in the South ? Or better yet how deep are your roots ? I doubt anyone who did not have family in the South and or in the service of the South during the war years would not "GET IT' No fault of theirs just a fact.
 It seems northerners , yankees if you will have a different view of states rights . They have different views of unions etc. Like mentioned we don't care how they do it up north.
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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #140 on: June 03, 2013, 09:53:30 AM »
CDQ:
You seem to pretend to know an awful lot about people you have never met.
I was not afraid of the guy.
Lord knows I have been in my share of scraps and didn't always come out on the winning end but I have never backed down on something once started.
If I had been afraid I wouldn't have stood up to him in the first place years before.
All I had to do was give up my seat.
Kind of sounds like someone else who wouldn't give up her seat that started the civil rights movement!
You can call it what you want and I really don't care what you think about it.
The fact is I accomplished what I wanted in my own way.
I guess I could have went to his house and just shot him but that may have been just a little harsh.
After all, I only had to spend two weeks in the hospital for standing up for my rights.
I dare say that maybe a lot of others would have just gave up their seat and have been done with it.
Sorry, I don't live that way.
I was wronged and I got what I thought was a fair return.
I believe in GOD and the GOOD BOOK but I don't always follow it to the letter.
Sometimes I don't turn the other cheek.
 
 
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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #141 on: June 03, 2013, 10:30:52 AM »
  Ahem,  as a die hard Southerner, I must respectfully make an exception and carve Vermont out of the despised North.  For you other Southerners, you should know that Vermont is the most tea-party, liberty loving State in the U.S.  They believe in freedom to do just about anything you want, including carrying a gun openly, so long as you do not hurt anyone else.   They don't adopt a law unless it is absolutely positively necessary.


  How independent are they?  Unless something has changed recently, many counties in Vermont are excluded from all of the federal Dept of Education BS about course material, rules and regulations. Why?  Because Vermont is probably the only State in the U.S. that refuses to take federal dollars from the federal Dept of Education.  They told Washington to take its money and shove it!


   Gay marriages? I just don't give a crock about it.  You are either free to do what you want in this country, or you are not.  Each State has the absolute right to define marriage under State law, and if Vermont wants to expand liberties to say that their definition includes gay marriage, then I really don't care.  Freedom is freedom.  It is up to the majority of the people who live in the State. 


    I might also be convinced to carve out Southwestern Pennsylvania (since they are in reality Virginians who just happen to live 50 miles too far north), and Maine (since the only four people I've ever met there were great people.)


   If you will swap these into the South, then we will gladly give you the entire State of Maryland (which historically was regarded as totally Southern, and was a slave state that stayed in the Union).  Unfortunately, virtually the entire state grew into bedroom suburban communities of D.C. and Baltimore, and its occupants are now wannabe Californians.




   And of course, you already have Delaware, another southern slave state that stayed in the Union, but later became the Hoboken N.J. of the South!


 
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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #142 on: June 03, 2013, 10:34:39 AM »
Why We Fought the "Civil War"
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"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
--- The Declaration of Independence


 
And that is what the CSA did and there was no war but they were not content with their own independence.  The CSA had its independence and it had its slavery but some idiots are too stupid to realize that they had won and to quit while they were ahead. Some hotheaded southern politicians had to show the rest of the country who was going to be boss. Just like Napoleon, just like Hitler, like Saddam Hussein and Muammar Qaddafi their heads continued to swell with their delusions of grandeur until they burst and dragged down the rest of their people with them. The North did not do it to the South. Southern politicians lead their people down a road to inevitable devastation. Saddam Hussein, Muammar Qadaffi, Tojo, and a lot more have taken that path with the same results.

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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #143 on: June 03, 2013, 10:43:30 AM »
Why are you yelling if this thread makes you so mad ignore it
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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #144 on: June 03, 2013, 10:43:46 AM »
Nice big letters !
 But the South was strapped with paying for the war of 1812 and other states rights issues.
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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #145 on: June 04, 2013, 01:46:36 AM »
Why are you yelling if this thread makes you so mad ignore it

I don't mind the yelling.
You have to admit, it does make it easy to read!  :)
 
 
 
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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #146 on: June 04, 2013, 01:51:54 AM »
they can print as large as they want , when I find something false or dumb I just minimize it / them  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
 
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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #147 on: June 04, 2013, 03:32:55 AM »
Longtom  Im sure with your payback you knew the guy was alone right ?  After all you had your lights on high.  No way he could have had kids with him or anyone else was there ?  I guess it wouldnt matter to you tho all you wanted was revenge at any cost.  Kids, Family, Elderly,  I know they dont matter to you anyway...
 
Shootall  Great idea to minimize something False or dumb .  Ill try that with you,  Hope it works after all it should You said it does..
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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #148 on: June 04, 2013, 03:53:26 AM »
  Ahem,  as a die hard Southerner, I must respectfully make an exception and carve Vermont out of the despised North.  For you other Southerners, you should know that Vermont is the most tea-party, liberty loving State in the U.S.  They believe in freedom to do just about anything you want, including carrying a gun openly, so long as you do not hurt anyone else.   They don't adopt a law unless it is absolutely positively necessary.
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I might also be convinced to carve out Southwestern Pennsylvania (since they are in reality Virginians who just happen to live 50 miles too far north), and Maine (since the only four people I've ever met there were great people.)
A friend of mine from Pittsburgh once explained Pennsylvania's culture like this: Pittsburgh on one side, Philadelphia on the other, and Alabama in the middle. :)
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If you will swap these into the South, then we will gladly give you the entire State of Maryland (which historically was regarded as totally Southern, and was a slave state that stayed in the Union).  Unfortunately, virtually the entire state grew into bedroom suburban communities of D.C. and Baltimore, and its occupants are now wannabe Californians.
no doubt about it - Maryland definitely sucks, when it comes to freedom.
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Re: why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?
« Reply #149 on: June 04, 2013, 06:24:52 AM »
Longtom  Im sure with your payback you knew the guy was alone right ?  After all you had your lights on high.  No way he could have had kids with him or anyone else was there ?  I guess it wouldnt matter to you tho all you wanted was revenge at any cost.  Kids, Family, Elderly,  I know they dont matter to you anyway...
 
Shootall  Great idea to minimize something False or dumb .  Ill try that with you,  Hope it works after all it should You said it does..

 

He was not married nor did he have any kids at the time.
Read your own reprint.
Yes, I did have my lights on high and I could clearly see that he was alone in the cab of his truck.

It is amazing how everyone seems to know what I may have thought or done so long ago and for what reasoning.
You seem to be just as smart as CDQ about knowing people you have never met.
Had I seen or had reason to believe that someone had been with him I would have passed that opportunity up and waited for another time.
After all, I stated I waited 9 years.
There were other times I could have done something to him with about the same results but there were always something or someone else to consider.
That is why I waited so long, looking for just the right time and place where nothing or no one else would be involved.
Had I to do over would I have handled it any differently?
Probably not.
Have I ever forgiven him for what he did to me, NO and never will and had the same thing happened to you I don't think you would have either.
Two weeks in the hospital, thousands of $$$ my parents had to pay at a time in our lives when we didn't have very much and the fact that I almost bleed to death from internal injuries.
Yea, sure, let it go.
Forget about it.
Those who think I did wrong, that is your opinion and until you are in the same situation you are just as wrong to judge.
All I can say is if that is the way you live your lives then when and if TSHTF I hope you can take care of yourself.
Don't start looking around for much help because I really don't think you will find it.
 
 
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