TC Hawkin trouble

[jc356]

I just got a used TC hawkin the tang screws heads were getting messed up. I called TC and they sent me new screws. (I got a wood screw and a longer metal screw from them) The old screws look bigger then the new one. When I took the tang off to clean it, I was surprised that one screw did not go thru the stock and go into the bottom metal like the Winchester 94. Is that how all muzzle loaders are made?  Is there much pressure on the tang when fired?  I also found that the stock was cracked in front of the screw that starts on the left side, under the tang and connects to the lock on the right side. It is cracked on both sides and goes to the screw hole. Is it still safe to shoot? If not any idea’s how much a new stock would be?
Sorry for all the questions, my sons are interested in black powder shooting so I got the TC, should have checked better but I didn’t know what to look for at the time. Should I just try to take it back to the dealer?

Thanks for your help,
Jeff

[ogemakw]

Call TC, they have a lifetime guarantee on their products and will usually make good on them. You may be able to send the gun back for a new stock. Also ask them for a manual while you are at it. Good Luck, Ogemakw

[jc356]

thanks for the info. i will call them and see what they say.

[Thomas Krupinski]

Jeff,

Check out the serial number on the barrel and look for a K in in the serial number and that letter stamped somewhere on the stock.  That letter means that the gun was assembled from a kit, and TC may not warranty that the same as their factory guns.  However I have a couple of factory Hawkens that have different screw setups.

As far as the crack on the lock screw, if it is just tiny and starting I don't think it would affect safety, however it would be a good idea to repair it.  

On the side opposite the lock, does the screw extend past the washer?  If not, try drilling it out and filling it with some sort of epoxy material, same on the lock side.

[tacks]

Man that's alot of rapid fire questions! It took all day for me to figgure out what yer askin.  I'll try ta answer some.
 #1,,most, the tang screw goes through the stock at the head of the grip and attaches through the stock to trigger plate(not the trigger guard), this is sometimes called the button screw( or to "button up") T/C adds the smaller wood screw to the rear of the tang to add accessories.
 #2,, no,, the brunt of pressure is on the breech. The "tang" just holds the breech in place against the stock, the motion of Newtons 3rd law forces the energy back and not up against the stock and then the shoulder.aka:kick/flinch maker
 #3,, I think your talking about the lock screw? a small fracture here won't affect shooting ability much,,as long as the lock itself is seated properly in it's inlet and held in place (don't over tighten!!) and you have the wedge key in place and do all the other stuff,,
 Is it safe too shoot?  I cain't answer that!! but I'd guess the dealer wouldn't sell it if it wasn't!

[jc356]

it does have a k at the start of the serial #, but i did not see a k on the stock. the tang is held on by two wood screws and the crack is at the lock screw.
sorry for so many question, i didn't have a diagram to go by.

thanks for the help,
Jeff

[Bob/FLA]

As stated by ogemakw, call T/C before you do anything else.  They are great folks and may have an answer for you.

[Ruger4Me]

When my Hawken stock cracked, after owning and shooting it for 19 years, I had built it from a kit when I was 16.

I called T/C and they said just send it back and they would replace the stock free of charge, they also assured me that they would try to match is as close as possible, NOT.

They sent it back to me pronto with a new stock, the only thing left that was mine was the Barrel everything else was new.  

I wish I had know what they were going to do cause I would have repaired it myself, my rifle lost it's balance or at least what had been it's balance. It made me sick to see it after that and I sold it.

But I can't complain to much I don't think there is another company that will do this, and had I bought mine as an complete rifle it would not had been a problem.

I still own and shoot a .50 Cal. Renegade.

[Longcruise]

Ruger4me,  Had the same exp with tc and my .50 Hawken.  After nearly 30 years of use and abuse by me . the nipple threads were worn to the point of being dangerous.  Sent it back and they returned a brand new gun except for the barrel.  Even the stock was new.  The stock was also warped so back it went and was returned with another new stock.  Now it sits looking like a brand new rifle and I feel sick to my stomach every time I look at it!

Gone are the nicks, scratches, worn out blueing and tarnished brass   Some wonderful memories are gone with those blemishes, etc.  Had i know what they would do i'd have gotten one of the oversize nipple tap sets from log cabin and fixed it myself.

On the brighter side, I came across a TC .45 cal barrel that would drop in on my last gun show foray.  It looked like crap :eek:  and I got it for 30 bucks.  The bore looked great though.  After de-rusting and putting a near matching blue on it it's now a two caliber rifle.  The .45 barrel had a K in front of the serial number and now thanks to this thread I know why.

I suppose once it's been down the road and roughed up a bit it will be "my" hawken again :-)

[simonkenton]

I love the TC Hawken.
I saw Jeremiah Johnson at the  theatre in 1973 and I knew I had to have a .50 Hawken.
The gun shoulders up great and  is quite a game getter.
My barrel is screwed up just now, I lent it to a guy and he screwed it up, didn't clean it and it took me a year to get the gun back from him.
Since then I havn't lent any more guns out.
I am going to get a Green Mountain with 1:60 twist and the old beat up gun will be better than ever.
Will try some of those fiber optic sights, eyes aint what they were in 1973.