Cali AG bans all new semi auto pistols.

[powderman]

AG Harris Bans All New Semiautomatic Handguns in California    Daniel Silverman
May 18, 2013


California’s Kamala Harris, the best-looking attorney general in the nation, has signed a letter mandating micro stamping technology for all new semiautomatic handguns being sold in the Golden State. [Read the letter here.] Any new model handgun must have a microstamped serial number somewhere on the gun’s frame and a firing pin that stamps a unique number onto the cartridge before (or as) it ignites the primer. I immediately reached out to Brandon Combs of the Firearms Policy Coalition to confirm. Confirmed. Brandon has assured me that the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale is being challenged in court as a whole. Meanwhile for those Golden State gun buyers this means . . .

Californians who surmount the paperwork and scrutiny required to purchase a handgun can still buy any of the handguns on the current Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale. But that’s about it. As of today, all new models which manufacturers want to introduce for sale in California will need to follow the new guidelines. They’ve got to be capable of microstamping.

There’s not a single handgun manufactured in the United States that microstamps a cartridge. Not one. Why should there be? The technology is both expensive and useless (the firing pin can be replaced or sanded down in seconds) and consumers may well balk at the idea. So gun makers looking to introduce new models into California are going to have to design and build handguns that microstamp or . . . nothing.

Chance are they’ll walk away. Even without this microstamping misegos, gunmakers are dropping California compliant models. The state’s registry of acceptable gats has declined by half since its introduction, from 2400 models to 1279 today. SIG SAUER “lost” 17 models in the month of March alone.

There may come a time when California gun shops may have only a dozen or so new handgun models for sale. Or, perhaps, none. Think that’s an exaggeration? California still has no less than 46 civilian disarmament bills floating around in the Sacramento legislature. It’s a slave state for sure.




http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...b_source=pubv1

[dwalk]

we've been under the oppression of liberal democrats for years. it comes as no surprise.

[two-blocked]

The law was signed by a republican! 
 
The law, signed by then Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, made California the first state to require micro stamping, which engraves the gun's serial number on each cartridge.
 
Good news!
 
But the legislation specified that it would take effect only when the technology was available and all private patents had expired.
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/in-the-news/2013/5/california-microstamping-law-to-take-effect.aspx

[lgm270]

California is gone because of the 1986 amnesty  of illegal aliens by Republican Ronald Reagan.  Reagan delivered 3 million Mexican votes to the California Democrat party and guaranteed Democratic rule forever.

"Republican" Arnold Schwarzenegger did sign the instant bill requiring micro-stamping of ammo from semi-autos.  Arnold, however, never won a Republican primary.  He was shoved down the throats of California Republicans by  GOP elites and "conservative" talk radio people when Gov. Gray Davis was recalled in 2003. 


The gun rights issue is tied to the immigration issue:  DEFEND YOUR STATE AND COUNTRY AGAINST FOREIGN INVASION BY ALIENS OR LOSE YOUR GUN RIGHTS AND, EVENTUALLY, ALL OTHER RIGHTS.

California is lost.  The rest of the US can be saved, but only if  white Americans unite and stand firm against amnesty and against 3d world immigration of all kinds.  Many feel uncomfortable examining the racial issue involved, but ignoring reality will not make reality  go away.   Ignoring reality will doom the person who puts on the blind fold and willfully ignores reality.  The reality is that non-whites hate white people, are solidly unified against white people, and are uniformly opposed to white people being armed.  They're also opposed to white people having free speech rights and voting rights and they will abolish them when they achieve the power through numbers at the ballot box.

Get involved in opposing  immigration (whether legal or not)  and stop "immigration reform," which is a code word for surrender of this country and for the ultimate dispossession  and ethnic cleansing of white people.  When the white majority disappears, America disappears.   

 

 

[m-g Willy]

Who cares?
I wrote California off a long time ago  as a state that has nothing to offer to a white working man.
 

[gstewart44]

"best looking Attorney General???  Kalifornia can't hold a candle to Florida........







Give me Pam Bondi any day.......

[m-g Willy]

"best looking Attorney General? ??  Kalifornia can't hold a candle to Florida........







Give me Pam Bondi any day.......

Now that's like comparing apples to dirt!
Pam Bondi can be the apple of any red blooded American boy's eye!
And along with a better looking AG ,Fla. also has 100% better gun laws than Cal.
 

[Lizzie-6]

AG Harris Bans All New Semiautomatic Handguns in California   
Daniel Silverman.  May 18, 2013.

California’s Kamala Harris...
(and so forth)

Do you really think Californians are going to stand in line for a micro-stamp pistol like they currently do for overpriced ammunition?  Anyone who does, deserves what they get.   Instead of posting this sort of propaganda, why don't you do something useful for a change?

I hereby call upon everyone to boycott ALL micros-stamp firearms.  Let the manufacturers make all they want.  Stand firm and NEVER purchase one, new or used.  The resulting oversupply will cause prices to plummet.  Then let those corrupt dealers EAT their precious micro-stamps for trying to force them on the public.  Good riddance.

Do even live in California?

[mcwoodduck]

I hope the manufactures all ban to gether and tell the state that if the guns are not avaliable for hte citizens of the state then they are not available for the police and they ban all new model handgun sales to the State. 

[Lizzie-6]

• California is gone...
• Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger...
• The gun rights issue...
• California is lost... 
• Get involved in opposing...[/l][/l]

If everything is EXACTLY as you say it is, the country is lost because US-born "whites" have surrendered it to immigrants.  I'm growing a bit weary of this air of entitlement that exists among many of our "white" brethren.  If that's you, don't let the door hit you on the way out.  You won't be missed.  There's no shortage of immigrants from eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union to replace the local white-boy attitude with something a bit more positive.[/list]

[Anna]

I went to a high school graduation tonight and the names called out were 20 Mexican to one
Caucasian. Names so long it would give you a headache trying to follow them.
It sounded like a Mexican radio announcer, and if you've never heard that listen to the WWF because
its pretty close to that. They SCREAM!!!

[Lizzie-6]

I hope the manufactures all ban to gether and tell the state that if the guns are not avaliable for hte citizens of the state then they are not available for the police and they ban all new model handgun sales to the State.

That's not good enough.  Individual citizens should band together and refuse to buy ANY new firearm from licensed dealers.  Make THEM feel the pressure, and reverse it back to the manufacturers, and the state.

There are millions of firearms in California.  There is also a flourishing secondary market where thousands are traded every month.  It's high time to liberate our axioms and re-evaluate out priorities.  And take control. 

Rather than complain about the right to keep and bear arms, why not just keep and bear arms?  The next question - whatever it is - has no relevance to this discussion.  You already know the answer.  Just do it.

[mcwoodduck]

I hope the manufactures all ban to gether and tell the state that if the guns are not avaliable for hte citizens of the state then they are not available for the police and they ban all new model handgun sales to the State.

That's not good enough.  Individual citizens should band together and refuse to buy ANY new firearm from licensed dealers.  Make THEM feel the pressure, and reverse it back to the manufacturers, and the state.

There are millions of firearms in California.  There is also a flourishing secondary market where thousands are traded every month.  It's high time to liberate our axioms and re-evaluate out priorities.  And take control. 

Rather than complain about the right to keep and bear arms, why not just keep and bear arms?  The next question - whatever it is - has no relevance to this discussion.  You already know the answer.  Just do it.

I think attacking the dealers, the wholesaler, and the manufacturers will have the opposite effect and they will see no money to be made and leave the CA market.  Your local gun shops will close  and the makers will have no one to sell to.  If we can get california to open up the market again under pressure from the makers that will not sell guns to the police departments, the police departments will have the AG reverse the edict and we can have what we want especally if the people that protect the ellected elite from the great unwashed,  are now unarmed.  Especally if some of the makers that have guns on a lease program recall their firearms.
Do not get me wrong I am not anti police.  I just do not like the new laws that are for us and exclude others from those same laws.
A police force and ellected officials that are above the law or does not have to follow the laws for others is the fastest way to a dictatorship.  We saw this in Germany in the 30's, we saw this with the French revolution, we saw this with the communist revolution of 1917 in Russia.    Were there was the law for all except.  If all men are greated equal, this is the foundation that all laws equally are applied to all and that we do not have premier citizens and then second and third class.  It does not mean that those that make more than others should have their earnings stolen so everyone has the same at the end of the day, 

[Lizzie-6]

I hope the manufactures all ban to gether and tell the state that if the guns are not avaliable for hte citizens of the state then they are not available for the police and they ban all new model handgun sales to the State.

That's not good enough.  Individual citizens should band together and refuse to buy ANY new firearm from licensed dealers.  Make THEM feel the pressure, and reverse it back to the manufacturers, and the state.

There are millions of firearms in California.  There is also a flourishing secondary market where thousands are traded every month.  It's high time to liberate our axioms and re-evaluate out priorities.  And take control. 

Rather than complain about the right to keep and bear arms, why not just keep and bear arms?  The next question - whatever it is - has no relevance to this discussion.  You already know the answer.  Just do it.

I think attacking the dealers, the wholesaler, and the manufacturers will have the opposite effect and they will see no money to be made and leave the CA market.  Your local gun shops will close  and the makers will have no one to sell to.  If we can get california to open up the market again under pressure from the makers that will not sell guns to the police departments, the police departments will have the AG reverse the edict and we can have what we want especally if the people that protect the ellected elite from the great unwashed,  are now unarmed.  Especally if some of the makers that have guns on a lease program recall their firearms.
Do not get me wrong I am not anti police.  I just do not like the new laws that are for us and exclude others from those same laws.
A police force and ellected officials that are above the law or does not have to follow the laws for others is the fastest way to a dictatorship.  We saw this in Germany in the 30's, we saw this with the French revolution, we saw this with the communist revolution of 1917 in Russia.    Were there was the law for all except.  If all men are greated equal, this is the foundation that all laws equally are applied to all and that we do not have premier citizens and then second and third class.  It does not mean that those that make more than others should have their earnings stolen so everyone has the same at the end of the day

I don't think you understand what I'm saying.`

Micro-stamp technology, installed for the purpose of tracking individual firearms, is NOT a good thing.  Every private firearms owner should be OPPOSED to that sort of experiment on Second and Fifth Amendment grounds.  Anyone attempting advance the use of that technology is no friend of the right to keep and bear arms, or the right to protection against unreasonable search and seizure.  Simply put,  there should be no market for such products anywhere in the USA.  I don't care WHO stands to make a profit from it.  Let them make their sleazy profits in Kenya, not the USA.

Same goes for those funky magazine release buttons on detachable mag rifles in California.  What is THAT all about?  The only thing worse than offering that product for sale is to actually BUY one.  Firearms dealers, distributors and wholesalers will go along with every liberal-inspired regulation and novelty they can make a buck from.  Same goes for ammunition at inflated prices.

Follow the money and shut off the spigot.  Americans should cease being a nation of pigeons.  Don't let Obama outsmart US firearms owners AGAIN. 

Understand? 

[mcwoodduck]

I agree with you on the micro stamping that sets a tracable number on the shell casing. 
The problem with it is that so far it does not work,  The micro stamps in the chamber hold the case and the micro stamps on the firing pin wear off quickly or break from what I have read.
What I was saying is that if the state does not allow the citizens to own new models with out the micro stamps then the state local or other police in the state should not be allowed to have those same firearms.
If the police can not get new models that are reliable they will have the laws over turned.  There should not be a Police exemption for the guns on the CA approved list.  Either the police get the same guns we can get or they are not allowed thoses guns either.  If 10 round mags are good for the citizens then 10 rounds should be adiquite for the police. 
Having laws that do not apply to different groups is the fastest way to have all laws ignored by those same people.  The ones enforcing the laws should have ot be held to those same laws, 

[Lizzie-6]

I agree with you on the micro stamping that sets a tracable number on the shell casing. 

The problem with it is that so far it does not work,  The micro stamps in the chamber hold the case and the micro stamps on the firing pin wear off quickly or break from what I have read.

What I was saying is that if the state does not allow the citizens to own new models without the micro stamps then the state local or other police in the state should not be allowed to have those same firearms.

If the police can not get new models that are reliable they will have the laws over turned.  There should not be a Police exemption for the guns on the CA approved list.  Either the police get the same guns we can get or they are not allowed those guns either.  If 10 round mags are good for the citizens then 10 rounds should be adequate for the police. 

Having laws that do not apply to different groups is the fastest way to have all laws ignored by those same people.  The ones enforcing the laws should have ot be held to those same laws. 

I don't care if micro-stamp system works or not.  Neither should anyone.  My position is to boycott ALL the products of EVERY manufacturer that even CLAIMS to have a micro-stamp capable model in their line.  Let me be clear.  It is better that those manufacturers peddle their excrement ELSEWHERE.

[Brett]

If this goes thew you had better keep track of every spent piece of brass from your gun at the range, gravel pit, wherever it is you do your shooting.  If it should happen to fall into the wrong hands you could be looking at prison time for a crime you had nothing to do with.   if your brass is picked up and either reloaded and used in a crime or just planted at the seen of a crime the feds will come knocking at your door.   Where were you and where was your gun last Friday night?   

[Empty Quiver]

I agree with you on the micro stamping that sets a tracable number on the shell casing. 

The problem with it is that so far it does not work,  The micro stamps in the chamber hold the case and the micro stamps on the firing pin wear off quickly or break from what I have read.

What I was saying is that if the state does not allow the citizens to own new models without the micro stamps then the state local or other police in the state should not be allowed to have those same firearms.

If the police can not get new models that are reliable they will have the laws over turned.  There should not be a Police exemption for the guns on the CA approved list.  Either the police get the same guns we can get or they are not allowed those guns either.  If 10 round mags are good for the citizens then 10 rounds should be adequate for the police. 

Having laws that do not apply to different groups is the fastest way to have all laws ignored by those same people.  The ones enforcing the laws should have ot be held to those same laws. 

I don't care if micro-stamp system works or not.  Neither should anyone.  My position is to boycott ALL the products of EVERY manufacturer that even CLAIMS to have a micro-stamp capable model in their line.  Let me be clear.  It is better that those manufacturers peddle their excrement ELSEWHERE.

Is there a manufacturer who has agreed to make one of these abominations? The patent was recently allowed to expire, which was the thing holding this back. Who makes this tooling? Who has even offered it up for sale?


I don't believe any of the gunmakers are behind this. With the way the wind is blowing in California why invest in the tooling for one single state? Simply keep up the license on current models and let them buy those, until the courts unravel this mess.

[mcwoodduck]

I agree with you on the micro stamping that sets a tracable number on the shell casing. 

The problem with it is that so far it does not work,  The micro stamps in the chamber hold the case and the micro stamps on the firing pin wear off quickly or break from what I have read.

What I was saying is that if the state does not allow the citizens to own new models without the micro stamps then the state local or other police in the state should not be allowed to have those same firearms.

If the police can not get new models that are reliable they will have the laws over turned.  There should not be a Police exemption for the guns on the CA approved list.  Either the police get the same guns we can get or they are not allowed those guns either.  If 10 round mags are good for the citizens then 10 rounds should be adequate for the police. 

Having laws that do not apply to different groups is the fastest way to have all laws ignored by those same people.  The ones enforcing the laws should have ot be held to those same laws. 

I don't care if micro-stamp system works or not.  Neither should anyone.  My position is to boycott ALL the products of EVERY manufacturer that even CLAIMS to have a micro-stamp capable model in their line.  Let me be clear.  It is better that those manufacturers peddle their excrement ELSEWHERE.

Sorry you missed my point.  The Micro stamping does not work.  If micro stamping was so good then the police should want them as well to beable to show where their officers were during a shoot and who shot where. 
But the police do not want the Micro stamped guns.  If we civiliams are forced to buy them or nothing I say we change the laws so that only guns on the lists are allowed to be sold in the state, or we hope that the manufacturers make that a rule for them selves and turn down any PO from a California departmetn that wants a gun off of the Official List. 
The goal is to ask for a technology that does not work to exclude guns from the roster and stop all new models from being sold in CA. and further disarming the state. 

[Lizzie-6]

I agree with you on the micro stamping that sets a tracable number on the shell casing. 

The problem with it is that so far it does not work,  The micro stamps in the chamber hold the case and the micro stamps on the firing pin wear off quickly or break from what I have read.

What I was saying is that if the state does not allow the citizens to own new models without the micro stamps then the state local or other police in the state should not be allowed to have those same firearms.

If the police can not get new models that are reliable they will have the laws over turned.  There should not be a Police exemption for the guns on the CA approved list.  Either the police get the same guns we can get or they are not allowed those guns either.  If 10 round mags are good for the citizens then 10 rounds should be adequate for the police. 

Having laws that do not apply to different groups is the fastest way to have all laws ignored by those same people.  The ones enforcing the laws should have ot be held to those same laws. 

I don't care if micro-stamp system works or not.  Neither should anyone.  My position is to boycott ALL the products of EVERY manufacturer that even CLAIMS to have a micro-stamp capable model in their line.  Let me be clear.  It is better that those manufacturers peddle their excrement ELSEWHERE.

Sorry you missed my point.  The Micro stamping does not work.  If micro stamping was so good then the police should want them as well to beable to show where their officers were during a shoot and who shot where. 

But the police do not want the Micro stamped guns.  If we civiliams are forced to buy them or nothing I say we change the laws so that only guns on the lists are allowed to be sold in the state, or we hope that the manufacturers make that a rule for them selves and turn down any PO from a California departmetn that wants a gun off of the Official List. 

The goal is to ask for a technology that does not work to exclude guns from the roster and stop all new models from being sold in CA. and further disarming the state.

I think you missed the point.

Even if there was a TOTAL ban on the sale of new firearms in California, it (a sales ban) would do nothing to disarm the state's residents.  The secondary market would flourish.  Unregistered (most) firearms would NEVER be registered.  Those firearms would be freely traded in private transactions.  The spine of gun control in California would thereby be severed.

Anti-gun politicians could spike the ball over their victory until the cows come home.  I say let them have their day in the sun.  Is there anyone who really wants to own guns that doesn't already have a safe full of guns, a shop full of reloading gear, and a cabinet full of components?  Certainly no one I know.  The only "shortages" currently cramping our style is that of .17HMR, .17HM2, .22LR.

[gypsyman]

Anytime something like this pops up, I look at it like a WWE wrestling event. Get the popcorn and a beer out, sit back and watch the entertainment. Rodney King riot interview with a business owner, How come I have to wait for 3 days to buy a gun. I'm a good guy!! Interview with a woman crying outside what was her house,--I lost everything, the earthquake destroyed my house. Really, in Ca. Who'd have ever thought there might be an earthquake in Ca. Brown outs because of lack of power plants.Really, in a state that hasn't built a power plant in what-3 decade's. WoW, who'd have ever thought that. Yea, lets put micro stamping on firing pins, that'll really have the bad guys quaking in their boots. gypsyman

[dwalk]

I hope the manufactures all ban to gether and tell the state that if the guns are not avaliable for hte citizens of the state then they are not available for the police and they ban all new model handgun sales to the State.

That's not good enough.  Individual citizens should band together and refuse to buy ANY new firearm from licensed dealers.  Make THEM feel the pressure, and reverse it back to the manufacturers, and the state.

There are millions of firearms in California.  There is also a flourishing secondary market where thousands are traded every month.  It's high time to liberate our axioms and re-evaluate out priorities.  And take control. 

Rather than complain about the right to keep and bear arms, why not just keep and bear arms?  The next question - whatever it is - has no relevance to this discussion.  You already know the answer.  Just do it.

I think attacking the dealers, the wholesaler, and the manufacturers will have the opposite effect and they will see no money to be made and leave the CA market.  Your local gun shops will close  and the makers will have no one to sell to.  If we can get california to open up the market again under pressure from the makers that will not sell guns to the police departments, the police departments will have the AG reverse the edict and we can have what we want especally if the people that protect the ellected elite from the great unwashed,  are now unarmed.  Especally if some of the makers that have guns on a lease program recall their firearms.
Do not get me wrong I am not anti police.  I just do not like the new laws that are for us and exclude others from those same laws.
A police force and ellected officials that are above the law or does not have to follow the laws for others is the fastest way to a dictatorship.  We saw this in Germany in the 30's, we saw this with the French revolution, we saw this with the communist revolution of 1917 in Russia.    Were there was the law for all except.  If all men are greated equal, this is the foundation that all laws equally are applied to all and that we do not have premier citizens and then second and third class.  It does not mean that those that make more than others should have their earnings stolen so everyone has the same at the end of the day,

the bold, underlined italicized are my emphasis.


this is the BEST way to defeat the legislators and their sick, distorted, irrational, legislation.


i would go farther and say to: do NOT sell, lease, rent, or donate to, maintain, or offer training, or logistical support of any kind, including sales of ammo, to LEA's.