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Offline rdlange

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Why do I need a .223 Handi? [pic added-last]
« on: May 22, 2013, 04:41:25 PM »
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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2013, 04:46:30 PM »
If my life depended on it. would have to go with the shot gun.
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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2013, 04:56:53 PM »
If my life depends on it the firearm will be secoundary to the escape plan.ear
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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2013, 05:24:58 PM »
Quote from: rdlange on May 22, 2013, 04:41:25 PM
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just because

because you can never be too rich, too handsome, or too armed!
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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2013, 05:26:29 PM »
Because they are;

1. Cheap to shoot
2. Very useful
3. Fun, Fun, Fun
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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2013, 05:34:48 PM »
Quote from: nanuk-O-dah-Nort on May 22, 2013, 05:24:58 PM
Quote from: rdlange on May 22, 2013, 04:41:25 PM
??? ??? ??? ??? ???

just because

because you can never be too rich, too handsome, or too armed!

Well rule out 1. & 2., but I'm workin on * 3.
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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2013, 06:10:10 PM »
Because you can load it down to .22 lr level with unique or up to black bear level with 65 gr. Gamekings and a decent load of rifle powder.  I'm finding it quite versatile, especially in the 1:9 twist.  The 1:12 is a little less so.  Oh, mine also fills in a hole the size of a dime at 100 yards .  ;)
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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2013, 06:19:18 PM »
Because you don't have one.  That excuse always works for me...

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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2013, 06:27:08 PM »
What else are you going to shoot Javilina wih out to 200 yards? 
What are you going to shoot Wood Chucks with?
What are you going to take Coyotes with?
What else are you going to use to.......  inbetween the 22Hornet and the 22-250?
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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2013, 06:44:55 PM »
I was going to write a big long dissertation explaining in detail why I bought some Handis...It boils down to this, I wanted one and had the money! My Handi 223 with the 16 1/2" barrel is a keeper!
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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2013, 06:50:20 PM »
I don't have one, and once would have said because of the cheap ammo and availability of brass. Now I would say that about a 30/30  ??? , or a 7 X61 Sharpe & Hart  :o - something at Walmart you know??
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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2013, 01:22:37 AM »
Well I don't need one I need 4.  One because I don't have one and it does fit nice between the hornet and 22-250, and I don't always want to break out one of my black guns (draws too much attention)  One for an upcoming project.  And two superlight compacts to start my boys on.  Granted they are only 3 mths old  and my wife says I need to wait on that one for a while. ;)
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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2013, 03:45:52 AM »
I have one.  Would I part with it?  No.  It's a 1 in 9 Superlight.  Do I shoot cheap ammo in it....no, just my handloads.  Does it do anything my other rifles can't?  No.  Mild .22-250 loads will do the same thing.  Why do I have it, like it and keep it??  Cause I'm a handiholic, that's why.  It's a good thing my imagination is limited by advancing age.  I don't know where I'd store or have time to shoot all the Handis a fertile mind could create.

The answer to your question lies in YOUR definition of "NEED".  That is a very nebulous term when referring to guns.  A "Normal" human would not "Need" 14 Handi Rifles among many others.  All I can tell ya, is that here on this forum, our "Needs" might be a tad different from the rest of society. ::)   Having a fair idea of the advanced state of your affliction, I'd say you need it.  If you require a prescription, let me know and Doctor Pete will get it for you. ;)

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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2013, 11:07:10 AM »
I keep asking myself the same question.


I keep one in a saddle boot behind the seat of my pick up truck, and wonder why I don't keep a 30-30 or an AR type. It works, but it's not that great.......maybe I should try some different ammo?
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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2013, 11:10:12 AM »
Im thinkin' that 'need' has nothing to do with it........
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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2013, 11:19:45 AM »
...someone once said, "I have more H&Rs than I need, but not as many as I want".
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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2013, 11:20:19 AM »
OK thanks.  Now what's the optimum length for a Handi .223 barrel?  Std profile...
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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2013, 12:58:55 PM »
A few guys here have them around 16 inches, which is the length of the Military weapon.  However the Gov't 's barrels are one in seven if I recall correctly and normally shoot heavier bullets than the Handi's one in nine.....or 12 as the case may be.  My 20 inch Superlight works great where it is.  I'd be hesitant to shorten it.  If I had a second one to play with, I'd do it in a heartbeat.  The idea of a 16 inch superlight fascinates me.  I guess I'm just a shorty junky. That's probably backlash from lugging long barreled smokepoles around the woods for years.  Ask Tim, he knows all about it.

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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2013, 01:38:59 PM »
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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2013, 05:21:53 PM »
up here, the shortest we can make them is 18" unless we start with a new barrel and stub it

then we can make 'em as short as we want, as long as the OAL doesn't go less than XXX mm

I have a SL in 223, and wonder if the extra 2" would make that much difference in handling....

only one way to find out, I guess. 
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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2013, 03:49:55 AM »
For me, a 22" Handi is already shorter than most long-guns and balance muzzle heavy as I like.
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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2013, 06:29:55 AM »
I think 20" is perfect. The M16A2 has a 20" barrel and I can shoot it very well out to 300yds.  I know the USMC has been hesitant to issue the M4 carbine for fear of losing long range accuracy, they shoot to 500yds.

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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2013, 12:53:02 PM »
Quote from: -Dinny on May 24, 2013, 06:29:55 AM
I think 20" is perfect. The M16A2 has a 20" barrel and I can shoot it very well out to 300yds.  I know the USMC has been hesitant to issue the M4 carbine for fear of losing long range accuracy, they shoot to 500yds.

Thanks, Dinny

Hooah, love the 20".  I only like 16" for carrying in tight environs.  I carried the 20" and shot human size targets with the stock irons out to 750 yards when I was in Infantry school.  The difference in sight radius is unmistakable.  ;)
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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2013, 02:02:18 PM »
IS the 16" available from someplace or custom ordered. from ???
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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2013, 02:13:35 PM »
Quote from: RobW. on May 24, 2013, 02:02:18 PM
IS the 16" available from someplace or custom ordered. from ???

You have to cut it yourself or send to a gunsmith. H&R never made one that short.

Quote from: petemi on May 23, 2013, 12:58:55 PM
A few guys here have them around 16 inches, which is the length of the Military weapon.

Actually the M4's barrel length is 14.5", 16" with the flash hider. ;)

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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2013, 02:21:17 PM »
Closest you'll get to factory 16" is the new 300 AAC blackout.

http://www.advanced-armament.com/300-AAC-Blackout--Handi-Rifle_p_630.html
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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2013, 03:05:55 PM »
Why do I need a .223 Handi?
 
 
Because it is there.
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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2013, 03:56:53 PM »
Because it is the current military cartridge.
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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2013, 06:48:40 PM »
I enjoy target shooting 223 -- cast bullets at low power loads (about 22H speeds) - it is the cheepest center fire shooting I can do...EZ to find brass or low priced surplus brass...
No change that they will stop making 223 ammo.in my lifetime -- or my kids life!
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Re: Why do I need a .223 Handi?
« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2013, 11:07:54 PM »
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What else are you going to use to.......  inbetween the 22Hornet and the 22-250?

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