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Offline gomerdog

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high school code of conduct opinions
« on: May 24, 2013, 03:33:54 AM »
Here’s a topic for your consideration. How about telling me what you think.

We have a policy in our school district about code of conduct for high school athletes. It states (or it did until last Tuesday) that an athlete who breaks the code of conduct, with behavior such as drinking and drug use, during the summer when school is not in session would still be subject to the code of conduct when he or she returned  to school in the fall. For example, a football player might have to miss a specified number of games as a consequence if he is caught drinking beer with his peers.

Many parents were upset about this policy, stating that what their children did during the summer, when school is not in session, is none of the district’s business. Others felt that if the district did not enforce the code of conduct in the summer, it would send a message to kids that it’s okay for them to engage in illegal behavior because there would be no consequence for doing so.

A couple of outspoken dads addressed the school board on Tuesday complaining that the code of conduct was intrusive into how they raise their kids. That if they want to allow their children to drink and smoke and chew tobacco during the summer, that’s their business and the school should not interfere. Well, the school board voted to change the policy by a 4-3 vote, so now there is no consequence for athletes and other students involved in school activities for illegal summer behavior.

I found it a little disappointing that one of the dads, who also has a son in 6th grade in the school at which I teach, can go to the school board meeting to advocate for a change in the code of conduct, but he can’t find the time to attend his 6th grade son’s parent/teacher conference to discuss his son’s academic progress.

Anyway, how do you guys feel about a school district that has a code of conduct that punishes athletes and students involved in other activities for illegal behavior during the summer…when they return in the fall.
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Re: high school code of conduct opinions
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2013, 03:39:29 AM »
It's extracurricular.
I think local control is the best thing.
Last thing I want is the feds coming in and deciding what's a moral conduct.
Sounds like the pendulum is swinging in your area right now.
Let's see where it swings to in a few years after some kids has a blow out.
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Re: high school code of conduct opinions
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2013, 03:53:58 AM »
As I see it I think the summers should be free of school influence. Although all won't, that's a given, it is still the parents responsibility to raise their kids, not the schools. The school has some responsibilities to their students while school is in session or at school activities and can then due as policies dictate. Kids need a little wiggle room to grow up.
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Re: high school code of conduct opinions
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2013, 03:59:25 AM »
Gomerdog, I understand where you are coming from and agree with you but unfortunately the schoolboard sets the rules and standards. Sadly the children will be the ones that suffer for parents stupidity. I might suggest anyone thinking this decision is wrong mount a campaign against the members that changed the rule.
 
All we can do as parents is make sure our children behave and act responsibly.
We must also act proactively to see that the standards set in our area measure up to what is moral and correct.
 
As to the guy not attending his sons parent teacher conference......... kinda speaks for itself dont it.
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Re: high school code of conduct opinions
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2013, 04:02:39 AM »
The kids either perform academically and athletically or they don't. Those are the objective criteria. If you want to add morality and inebriation as criteria governing academics and athletics, then you've got a lot of explaining to do. I see no difference between such a policy and any other zero tolerance school policy except that it's far more invasive because it insinuates itself deeply into the personal lives of the students at a critical point in their lives. It's a good example of right-wing extremist behavior that left-leaning people like to point out when they are in an accusing mood.
 
I'm continually amazed at how many teachers and school administrators seem not to understand that sex, experimentation with inebriants, rebellion, and making stupid mistakes are absolutely normal and essential parts of adolescent and early adult learning and maturation. You can't keep them in the pre-adolescent box forever.
 
By punishing them you are missing one last chance to coach a kid who has made a mistake.

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Re: high school code of conduct opinions
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2013, 06:10:12 AM »
Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate it.
 
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Re: high school code of conduct opinions
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2013, 07:14:07 AM »
A lot of us made stupid mistakes as adolescents, yep, drinking and driving, and alot of other stupid stuff against the rules, unfortunately this ain't the 50's and 60's.
 
If you drink and drive now, you get a stigma attached for life. Since the Exxon Valdez oil spill and "opa 90" The coast guard may not license you as an operator or deck officer if you have ever had a DUI/DWI. THIS AINT THE WORLD WE GREW UP IN. It is different now.
 
As a high school student we used to go to Louisiana to drink, (drinking age there was 18) you could get a draft beer if you could reach the bar with your quarter in the 60's. Drinking today has way more consequences than it did 50 years ago. There is no such thing anymore as adolescent mistakes. They can ruin your life. If you have kids you might want to think about that. Not to mention the lives that I have seen lost due to drunk driving by Teens.
 
I was lucky my children, were taught the right way and as far as i know they behaved. At least none got DUI's, or pregnant, or dead. I pray the same for everyone else.
 
If you don't put boundaries up there are none, and it true that kids expect boundaries and rules or they act out!
 
The boundaries begin at home and it is the duty of parents to make the rules, unfortunately a lot of parents make bad decisions and undermine rules made to just keep their children safe. If being a childs pal is more important than their well being you possibly risk the relationship and their safety.
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Re: high school code of conduct opinions
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2013, 08:22:04 AM »
Well I agree that what a kid does during the summer should be none of the schools concern. 

As others have pointed out here youthful indiscretions often carry heavier and longer lasting ramifications than they did when we were kids.  These trends in school conduct codes is just another example of that.  Agree with it or not rules are rules and kids must learn that they must play by the rules or be prepared to suffer the consequences. 

Unfortunately parents are dropping the ball in teaching their kids this fact of life.   


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Re: high school code of conduct opinions
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2013, 05:38:27 PM »
As a former coach and long time teacher my view is this "if it don't happen on school property or at a school event it didn't happen."
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Re: high school code of conduct opinions
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2013, 02:22:52 AM »
I see a school as a extension of the gov. It is funded, regulated and teachers are gov. employees, it is part of the gov. I see it as a over reach of a gov. organization. I do believe that the kids need to be kept in line. I just don't think the school should have authority off the school campus.
Of coarse some one that works in the school are going to see it differently and ignore the over reach. This would be like punishing an adult in there home city for what took place in another city, county, state, country, even though that adult was not punished for the violation where it occurred.
Just as we have jurisdictions, their should be the same for the school. Punish them where the violation takes place.

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Re: high school code of conduct opinions
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2013, 03:24:33 AM »
I must agree w/ this poster. The schools' jurisdiction ends at the school property line.  We all know: once school, government, etc, gets even a toe-hold outside of their traditional jurisdiction, a president has been set.  Statements like, "This is all we will ever want.  Agree to this one thing and we will be satisfied."  may re-assure a few, but history shows the first "reasonable" step, is just the first step.  Then it's something else.  Remindinging them they agreed to stop after they got the one thing, falls on deaf ears. 

Besides, can you imagine the spying & snitching  that will go on all summer long!  Kids running around w/ cell phone cameras hoping to catch the captain of the football team smoking, etc?  Would they even have to prove it?   Could they just say, "Yeah, Bill had a beer in one hand and a cigarette in the other @ a party in July."  I can see alot of set-ups too, getting revenge for real or imagined slights.
 
 
I see a school as a extension of the gov. It is funded, regulated and teachers are gov. employees, it is part of the gov. I see it as a over reach of a gov. organization. I do believe that the kids need to be kept in line. I just don't think the school should have authority off the school campus.
Of course some one that works in the school are going to see it differently and ignore the over reach. This would be like punishing an adult in there home city for what took place in another city, county, state, country, even though that adult was not punished for the violation where it occurred.
Just as we have jurisdictions, their should be the same for the school. Punish them where the violation takes place.
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Re: high school code of conduct opinions
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2013, 03:26:09 AM »
Some of you guys have missed the point. It's extracurricular.
Doesn't apply to average Joe student, just those who sigh up for it.
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Re: high school code of conduct opinions
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2013, 05:39:17 AM »

The way I see it is that athletes who want to play on school teams are representatives of that school--like it, or not.  If the school doesn't give a rip what kind of individuals represent them, at least the coach should be of high enough caliber to insist that his players have rules of conduct.  There's nothing forcing those kids to participate.


Even if you don't think that how a person conducts himself away from school has anything to do with sports etc., at some level even your standards will be challenged. Would you be okay with a bunch of rapists, druggies, thieves and various hoodlums representing your school?  The student body, teachers and parents have a right to be proud of their school teams and if that means having a certain code of conduct on and off the field, or court, then so much the better.  You are asking nothing more than for athletes to be responsible citizens and that isn't expecting too much.  Wouldn't it be great if our politicians would comply with that minimal expectation?
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Re: high school code of conduct opinions
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2013, 08:42:21 AM »
hhmmmmmmmmmmmmm. . . . .


sounds kinda like the local pro football
team. let's have a win, i don't care if you get
busted at the strip club, or kill someone with
a dwi, let's get those numbers on the scoreboard.
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Re: high school code of conduct opinions
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2013, 09:47:18 AM »
Old Fart:  You said it right.  It only pertains to the kids that sign up for athletics.  It does not pertain to the other kids.  But the kids that sign up are held to a higher standard.

Now that said:  My son was a Hockey player.  He played for the North Pole High School, and for the Arctic Lions down town.  Both teams had strict rules, and the coaches enforced their rules hard.  When they were on the road and they ate at a restaurant, he made each boy bring his check by and show the coach how much he was going to tip the waitress.  In other words the boy or gal had to do the math and get it right.  Strict lights out times, and the coach walked into their rooms and checked on them.  If someone started acting stupid in public, they got reprimanded.  Every game day the boys wore coat and tie, the girls wore dresses.  But the biggest and strictest rule of all.  If they did anything, at any time, that put the team in a bad light, they were dismissed from the team.  The school board and the principals got so much praise and admirations from the Hockey Teams, they set back and let the coaches run the programs the way they saw fit.

After high school I had a talk with Sky.  I told him I knew that many boys together, they were bound to have had Beer Parties.  I wanted to know how they got away with it without any of the parents, coaches, or anyone else knowing.  And how they kept things under control so there was no DWIs.  Sky told me they had a metal box, with a lock on it.  One guy was designated as Keeper Of The Box.  The Keeper did not partake of spirits that night.  Everyone without exception was required to drop their keys into the box upon arriving.  Everyone spent the night, and was required to help cleanup the morning after.  Sky told me they only got busted once.  Conan McGuire's parents were in the Phillipines on a business trip.  They called Jettie Stone's Mom and aked her to go to their house and get them some information from a file cabinet.  Mrs Stone walked in on the party.  "Busted"  She opened every bottle and can, then poured it down the drain.  She made all the boys stand there and watch.  Then she called her Husband, and Collage age daughter, to come over and help her keep control.  Then she called the Hockey Coach.  When the Coach arrived she had every boy standing tall against the wall dressing them down like a Marine DI, which she had been before Jettie.  Coach made the boys pull out their sleeping bags and sleep on the living room floor.  No one slept on the couch, or in a chair.  And those boys caught Hell from the coach for the next month.  I knew something had happened at the time, because of the way Mrs Stone treated the boys while on a trip to Anchorage.  Mrs Stone was the Team Mom.  But the information never came out, it was kept inhouse as the coach called it.  I made a statement to Jettie one day months later, about not having her mad at me.  Jettie said, "You don't know the half of it". 

Have to say all those kids that stayed in the area have moved on and either went to a trade school or college.  The one young woman on the Arctic Lions Team, is now the General Manager of the major clothing and sports stores in Fairbanks.  You don't see them hanging out asking for change like some of their classmates.
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Re: high school code of conduct opinions
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2013, 01:37:41 AM »
I did not miss the point that it is extracurricular, but it is run by the school, who is funded by the gov. and tax payers. If it was a separate organization from the gov. I would say great, good way to teach ethics, kid wants to play, he needs to behave.
The school teams still need rules but I am very hesitant to allow them an all access pass to modify my childs behavior away from the school. (its bad enough they teach some of the BS they do)
This is a parents job, and we all know some parents are better then others. You use taxpayer money to fund the team, any taxpayers child should have a opportunity to play on the team. I think the fact that tax money is used for funding it should place more limits on the power to restrict, rather then, give more power to modify off campus behavior.
 
I understand the concern, and I agree parents are not what they used to be, but gov. and schools are not what they used to be either.