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Old dog question
« on: May 28, 2013, 06:59:47 AM »
We inherited an old beagle from a family that couldn't take care of it right anymore because they moved to a city. He's about 11 or 12 years old. He's been a good dog and we've had him for over a year now. He used to come on command really well, but recently he has gotten really sneaky about running away. At first, I'd call him and he'd be back in about 10 minutes. Then it was an hour before I drove and found him. Then 2 hours before I found him. A few nights ago he was gone all night. He doesn't come on command anymore when he's off a leash.
 
I've been coaching him on a leash as remedial training for coming on command. It works on the leash. But he snuck out the door this morning and it took me two hours to get him back.
 
He gets plenty of walks. Until recently I would let him off the leash in the field. Back when he would come on command.
 
Somebody told me that old dogs do this sometimes. Do you know anything about it and if there's a cure? I'll ask the vet too.
 
I'm a bit frustrated with this. To me, a dog that stays out all night has gone feral. When I was a kid, a .22 was the solution to the problem. I don't have the heart for it though.
 
 

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Re: Old dog question
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2013, 07:06:48 AM »
Is he cut?

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Re: Old dog question
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2013, 07:15:05 AM »
He was neutered as a pup. I should also mention that 11 is not that old for a beagle. 16 or 17 is normal life span and some have lived up to 22 so far as I know. Food is always premium kibble with some treats added, like good meat and bones. He's had a good life.

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Re: Old dog question
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2013, 07:25:23 AM »
I had the same problem with a 1-2 year old pup I took in.  I did have to have him cut, but it took about 3 months for him to get past his wondering ways.  Another problem I has, was a lady down the way who was feeding him treats at night....he wondered and he had the runs.......he had a marked collar also, so she knew better.

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Re: Old dog question
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2013, 07:57:27 AM »
 We raised/hunted beagles in Texas as a kid. We first ran deer with them, then when hound hunting was outlawed ( I was 16 then) we ran swamp rabbits. Good luck in trying to break him from "ranging"; he is a beagle! ha. Every one of ours, male and female, would run off and stay gone for two days at a time. We simply had to keep them penned or on a chain. Those beagles are one of the best breeds for hunting, family dogs, companion dogs, etc, however...they are "rangers" at heart!

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Re: Old dog question
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2013, 08:01:51 AM »
I've had beagals all my life. They have a very sweet disposition and make great family pets. The bad part about them is they may be the stupidest breed of dog there is. Since they generally are a little slow folks don't expect much out of them. Just to be a pet, or chase animals. When they do run off they just dismiss it as their nature. In turn they just do as they wish and don't really get the pack instinct instilled into them from their owners.
The easiest way to cure him is a remote trainer. For what ever reason most folks find that cruel and detest even the mention of it. But it will cure the problem instantly. The same owner will let his dog run wild, destroying other peoples property and maybe even let the dog get injured, ran over or shot from his carelessness, so cruelty is a matter of oppinion.
 Although not as effective you can whip him. The problem is you can't catch him. He knows he's doing wrong when you are screaming and doesn't care. You don't matter since you can't do anything about it. There's no reason to beat a dog, but they need to understand doing something bad hurts. It's better to swat one to teach obedience than to leave him to his own devices and really get hurt or killed by not minding. They need dicipline just like a child. The problem with a beagle is when he finally comes back, he's so dumb he won't know what he did wrong, if you start whipping him on his return. So if you can't catch him while he is running away and whip him, he won't know why he's in trouble and you are doing nothing helpful by swatting him. They have such a good disposition that there really isn't a need to whip or scold one on a normal day to day basis, so you aren't the boss of him. You just are a lower level pack member and he doesn't have to listen to you. You can walk him on a lead, but once it's gone he still doesn't have to listen because the thing that was making him do what you wanted is gone. So it boils down to a fence, an electronic invisible fence or an electronic trainer.
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Re: Old dog question
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2013, 08:44:40 AM »
The only way to keep a beagle from wandering off is disconnect his nose!
Once they pick up a scent they are gone
 

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Re: Old dog question
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2013, 09:46:56 AM »
I can understand the wandering off when on a scent, but he always used to be obedient in coming back after about ten minutes. Now he doesn't mind. He seems to be able to hear fine. It was like a switch. One day he just started leaving and staying away. It wasn't gradual at all, except that it took a couple of weeks to go from bad to worse.

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Re: Old dog question
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2013, 10:11:19 AM »
He no longer sees you as the Alpha male.  You need to rain he11 down on him for about 3 seconds and reestablish who is the pack leader.

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Re: Old dog question
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2013, 10:52:24 AM »
Tried all the tricks I know. (I have had a beagle before, with no such problems). His life right now is much like a maximum security prisoner. I call him. If he doesn't stop immediately and come, he gets swatted. This is all indoors for now. I'm trying to recondition him to pay attention outdoors. Part of the issue is as someone said, I can't catch him immediately when he runs off. If I could, I'd wail on him enough to scare him.
 
 

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Re: Old dog question
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2013, 11:10:01 AM »
Conan, your not listening, get a shock collar....... Only other thing is keep him on a lead 24-7. Personally I'd rather use a collar.  ;)
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Re: Old dog question
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2013, 11:59:00 AM »
Shock collars work great in my experience, they just cost so darn much.

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Re: Old dog question
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2013, 12:59:50 PM »
Electo shock theropy.
Get a shock collar.  Let him run around a little and call him.  If he does not come hit the green button.  Then call again and hit the yellow button if he does not come and then call again and hit the RED button if he does not come. 
Amazing how the dogs will all of a sudden hear your voice and obey when the lizerd part of their brain is telling them to do something else.  I found that most dogs that are adopted will do this as the new owner is not programed into the lizard part of the brain. 

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Re: Old dog question
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2013, 01:55:33 PM »
We had a cute little beagle mix puppy that I fell in love with. We got another crossbreed to keep her company and be a playmate. This past winter we lost the playmate to a predator because they had the run of the place and we got nothing but woods all around. That scare kept her close to the house for a while and she came when called.
 
So we got her another playmater puppy, something that was going to grow bigger than the one we had taken. He and her were much easier to handle as long as we let them out separately. If they went together, she ignored our calling and him being the younger dog followed her lead. She got a good trashing which didn't help as she stayed outside out of reach even with minus 25 deg C and frozen ice and snow on her paws and belly.
 
 We came close of loosing both of them. Wildlife gets real hungry in winter. The only solution was to find a new home for the beagle. She is no longer able to run free being the new owner has a large fully fenced yard and does not have 'yotes all over the place.
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Re: Old dog question
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2013, 02:26:17 PM »
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If they went together, she ignored our calling and him being the younger dog followed her lead.

I've seen that same thing one will come two and it will be a while. The electric collar works as does the invisible fence.
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Re: Old dog question
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2013, 02:39:54 PM »
 Best of all might be the remote shocker that activates based on a loss of signal. You set the "range" based on a central transmitter, set it for 25 yards and she gets shocked if she goes outside the perimiter. Set it for 100 yards and she has a hundred yard circle around the transmitter she can move about in. I don't know who all makes one with this feature but i've seen them a couple times online. Kinda pricey (300.00ish?)but would work great i think. Good for you on taking on an old dog.  J
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Re: Old dog question
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2013, 06:04:24 PM »
dog's not getting dementia by any chance.  Forgetting where home and master are?


Maybe, as has happened to me, the dog can find a dead cow to crawl into before returning home. :o
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Re: Old dog question
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2013, 12:22:27 AM »
No dementia, he's just a hound. And hounds roam. It's his nature. We hunted hounds when I was younger. You spent the morning following the dogs and the rest of the day trying to find them.

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Re: Old dog question
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2013, 04:05:36 AM »
We put a fence up in the backyard.
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Re: Old dog question
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2013, 05:06:45 AM »
Conan, your not listening, get a shock collar....... Only other thing is keep him on a lead 24-7. Personally I'd rather use a collar.  ;)

This is the BEST advice you've gotten so far. When I was training officers to handle K9s they were reluctant to correct their dog. I would ask them: you want your dog to come to you when you call him, or would you rather watch him get ran over.
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Re: Old dog question
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2013, 05:18:00 AM »
I'm checking into the collars. Thanks guys! I never even thought of them. Poor dog is like a maximum security prisoner right now. He's always either in the kennel, in the house, or on his leash. He used to have a lot of freedom.

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Re: Old dog question
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2013, 05:24:25 AM »
That radio system invisable fence worked for my sons big yellow lab. He wears the collar and the unit is centrally located. when its on he has a 90 ft radius he can roam in. He is a big dog about 120#  he wont cross the line, even if his collar is not on him. He knows where the line is now and wont go near it. It gives him a buzz sound when he gets close then zaps if he ignores that. He will even put the brakes on when fetching if the decoy goes past his perimeter.
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Re: Old dog question
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2013, 06:05:00 AM »
I've thought of it as well before finding another home for the beagle mix. Considering her size and more so her ground clearance I thought that shock unit would be to big.
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