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Offline ironglow

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Wholesale ignorance ?
« on: June 02, 2013, 12:45:40 AM »
  The "brightest"..really ?
   Here are college students, signing a "THANK YOU" card for one government agency's totalitarian , authoritarian and Fascist style activities. 
  Proof; many college students are not being educated, so much as being indoctrinated..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzuEOr2D8wo
 
  If my 14 year old grandaughter couldn't sort that ignorance out.. I would take her to  Gramp's "educational woodshed"..
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: Wholesale ignorance ?
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2013, 01:53:58 AM »
...and people think their little kiddies are being well educated. Ignorance is the leading cause, of the death of our Republic. If one doesn't know. How could there ever be anything wrong?   
Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants.    Wm. Penn

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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2013, 03:25:41 AM »
The indoctrination starts long before they get to college.  As soon as they enter the system it begins.  The history books have been rewritten, they are taught the constitution is a "living" document, etc, etc.
 
And for the rest of us?  See you in the re-education camp, comrade!

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Re: Wholesale ignorance ?
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2013, 04:07:33 AM »
Talk about dumb, I went to Sub way for lunch yesterday, The young lady behind the counter was rather slow in making the sandwich. When she totaled my order it came to $ 8.10 and I handed her a $ 10.00 dollar bill, first mistake she punched it in as a $ 20.00, so the receipt showed the change as $11.90. I explained I had only given her a $ 10.00, she totaled it out again and did the same thing, she then asked a second girl how she could find the correct change and this young lady commented she was terrible with math and handed the first one a calculator. I commented that they should be able to do the math in their head and that the answer was $ 1.90 change, after punching it into the calculator she agreed with me and handed me $ 1.10. I just laughed and put my change in the tip jar as usual. How do there people get a diploma?  I see this type of stuff all the time.

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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2013, 06:18:14 AM »
The indoctrination starts long before they get to college.  As soon as they enter the system it begins.  The history books have been rewritten, they are taught the constitution is a "living" document, etc, etc.
 

Yep and to think the indoctrination started way back when .... Hmmm 

The basis of our political systems is the right of the people to make and to alter their constitutions of government. -George Washington

"No society can make a perpetual constitution, or even a perpetual law. The earth belongs always to the living." - Thomas Jefferson

Some men look at constitutions with sanctimonious reverence, and deem them like the arc of the covenant, too sacred to be touched. They ascribe to the men of the preceding age a wisdom more than human, and suppose what they did to be beyond amendment. I knew that age well; I belonged to it, and labored with it. It deserved well of its country. It was very like the present, but without the experience of the present; and forty years of experience in government is worth a century of book-reading; and this they would say themselves, were they to rise from the dead. I am certainly not an advocate for frequent and untried changes in laws and constitutions. I think moderate imperfections had better be borne with; because, when once known, we accommodate ourselves to them, and find practical means of correcting their ill effects. But I know also, that laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind.  As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths disclosed, and manners and opinions change with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also, and keep pace with the times. Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Samuel Kercheval on July 12, 1816:

The important distinction so well understood in America, between a Constitution established by the people and unalterable by the government, and a law established by the government and alterable by the government, seems to have been little understood and less observed in any other country. — James Madison

I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and Constitutions. But laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.  - See more at: http://quotationsbook.com/quote/44896/#sthash.wT9fx5a0.dpufI am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors. - Thomas Jefferson

Additionally , The framers knew that they could not possibly plan for every circumstance or situation. As such, they provided various methods by which the Constitution and its laws could be modified as society grew and changed. That is why the United States Constitution is a "living constitution," one which can adapt and be flexible as necessary. That's why we were provided an amendment process.

Hmm Guess I was one of the indoctrinated ones by our founding fathers at an early age.

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Re: Wholesale ignorance ?
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2013, 09:29:59 AM »
Yes, the PEOPLE can amend the Constitution, but until they do the government is supposed to abide by it!

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Re: Wholesale ignorance ?
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2013, 10:22:03 AM »
I would have to say #1 that anyone thanking the IRS for persecuting someone based on their political view is in itself a little scary if not stupid, for obvious reasons. As to changing the constitution. Lets see an amendment to do so, not by executive order or by "legislative reconstruction" as in gun control slowly eroding the second amendment. 
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Re: Wholesale ignorance ?
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2013, 10:54:46 AM »
Yes, the PEOPLE can amend the Constitution, but until they do the government is supposed to abide by it!

The indoctrination starts long before they get to college.  As soon as they enter the system it begins.  The history books have been rewritten, they are taught the constitution is a "living" document, etc, etc.
And the people are the elected officials we chose to represent us in Washington. (though most of our congressional leaders have forgotten who they work for).

The constitution is a "living Document" .
"if your old flathead doesn't leak you are out of oil"
"I have strong feelings about gun control. If there is a gun around I want to be controlling it." - Clint Eastwood
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjaman Franklin
"It's better to be hated for who you are , then loved for who your not." - Van Zant

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Re: Wholesale ignorance ?
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2013, 01:29:19 PM »
Yes, the PEOPLE can amend the Constitution, but until they do the government is supposed to abide by it!

The indoctrination starts long before they get to college.  As soon as they enter the system it begins.  The history books have been rewritten, they are taught the constitution is a "living" document, etc, etc.
And the people are the elected officials we chose to represent us in Washington. (though most of our congressional leaders have forgotten who they work for).

The constitution is a "living Document" .
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   The constitution is a reference frame that can only be changed when 2/3 of the people in 2/3 of the states are willing to do so, and not before.
  Thre is no need to play coy with the "living, breathing, document" phrase which Liberals love to use.
  Each time they use that well-worn phrase, it is because they want to push through an "executive order" or justify a congressional vote which attempts to usurp the constitution.
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: Wholesale ignorance ?
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2013, 04:25:37 PM »
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   The constitution is a reference frame that can only be changed when 2/3 of the people in 2/3 of the states are willing to do so, and not before.
  Thre is no need to play coy with the "living, breathing, document" phrase which Liberals love to use.
  Each time they use that well-worn phrase, it is because they want to push through an "executive order" or justify a congressional vote which attempts to usurp the constitution.

There are three ways in which the Constitution is a "living" document:
Formal amendment process
Informal amendment process
Custom, usage, and tradition

1.) Article V details the two methods to propose a formal amendment and the two methods to ratify a formal amendment.
States must approve by a three-fourths vote.

2.) Informal amendments include all of the following: basic legislation passed by Congress, executive agreements, and court decisions. Congress has the power to pass whatever legislation it can within its restraints. The President can use executive agreements in dealing with foreign affairs and powers. Executive agreements are not subject to Congressional approval.  Court decisions have had a great influence over the emergence of new laws, practices, or constitutional interpretations.

3.) Custom, usage, and tradition refer to the ways in which the various parts of the government react to new circumstances. Usage of certain pieces of legislation have changed the Constitution. For example, the War Powers Resolution of 1973.
"if your old flathead doesn't leak you are out of oil"
"I have strong feelings about gun control. If there is a gun around I want to be controlling it." - Clint Eastwood
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjaman Franklin
"It's better to be hated for who you are , then loved for who your not." - Van Zant