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Steyr Mod 95/34 Need help with bolt opening
« on: June 03, 2013, 09:32:19 AM »
It takes a strong gorilla to pull back the bolt (straight pull) on this one. I have searched and researched everything I could find about this problem. I have disassembled this thing about a half dozen times, polished every part of anything that moved and polished parts that didn't move. ALL cosmoline has been removed from every part, especially the bolt locking groves. I can cock it after firing and it only partially relieves some of the problem. Extractor, firing pin, spring are all as new. I haven't replaced any parts, only cleaned and polished all surfaces. I read where one or two coils of the firing pin spring could be removed to help relieve some of the strength. I would like to hear some advice as what to do next  Rifle is in excellent shape for it's age except for this problem....It is almost to the point of needing a rubber hammer to open this one.
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Re: Steyr Mod 95/34 Need help with bolt opening
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2013, 05:23:37 PM »
OK, here goes. Just in case you missed something. Check extractor for rubbing marks on both the top and bottom.
Check extractor where it fits on the clip that holds it in place, look for any high spots that show above the surface of the bolt. Also, is the bolt serial numbered to the rest of the rifle. Is it the correct bolt for that rifle. Check inside the bolt for any rust, corrosion and dried grease. Also look for any rough surfaces inside the bolt. Is the bolt shroud screwed in all the way. And one last thing, take out the action screws and any handguards and rings. With just the bbld action in the stock see if the action rocks back and forth from front to the tang. Inletting may not be as it should and when you tighten up the action screws you are literally bending the action causing the bolt to be sticky. Gotta put my specs on as I thought this was a mauser. But all of the above should apply. Lightly grease the internals of the bolt and see if this makes any difference. Frank

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Re: Steyr Mod 95/34 Need help with bolt opening
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2013, 07:33:17 AM »
Frank
   I thought I was pretty good at tinkering.  This thing is giving me fits. I checked and double checked. I thought I had found the problem. The ejector was catching in the grove on the underside of the bolt. I cleaned again and honed the area. Thought I had it. Even put in a lighter ejector spring. Put it all back together and man it's just as bad or maybe worse. I have it out of the stock, so there is absolutely no binding.
   Man I hate to spend $ 60 dollars for another bolt. I didn't pay much more that that for the rifle.
   Haven started to use any foul language yet but im thinking it. :'( :'( :'(
   There is not a piece of dirt or cosmoline on the thing.  Think I'm gonna go throw up   :) :)

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Re: Steyr Mod 95/34 Need help with bolt opening
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2013, 04:06:05 PM »
Jim, I have a swiss K31 and the bolt cycles easier if it is lubed with a light grease. There is a difference between lubed and no lube. About the only other thing that I can think of is the action may be tweaked or bent slightly. But this comes back to the action sitting in the stock with no handguard or rings. Just the trigger guard assembly and the barreled action. Try experimenting with the front screw down tight. Then loosen the rear screw. Look to see if the back tang rises up of if the bolt cycles easier. You may need some shims to correct the bedding under the tang. Frank

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Re: Steyr Mod 95/34 Need help with bolt opening
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2013, 05:08:12 AM »
Mine did not cycle easily when I first got it, and frankly it still does not, but it is getting better the more I shoot and clean it. I too diassembled, polished with brasso unitl super slick, and lubed with a light coat of tetra grease on the bolt internal surfaces, locking lugs, and for lack of a better term the two groove wings, along with a coating all reciever rails with very light rem oil coat, plus cycling about 1000 times (not exaggerating here) it finally is starting to loosen up and pull easier. Still a bear sometimes to pull back once fired, especially from a seated position at the bench. Cycles pretty easily if the firing pin is cocked. I guess I just had to keep in mind that these rifles were built to be operated during the stress of combat with force and vigor and the technique taught to soldiers of that time period were to slam the bolt home and rip it open. I don't think they had finess in mind. Still a great rifle once you figure out its quirks.
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Re: Steyr Mod 95/34 Need help with bolt opening
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2013, 09:47:57 AM »
Thanks for the replies.I am at
                    thepoint that I am going to break down and buy another bolt.
I see a slight binding at the right side or the receive as it starts to go into battery Gonna try to hone the area. If that doesn't work, I'll but a new /used bolt. this thing has been a PITA.
Anybodt got a complete bolt for sale?
Thanks for the help. Chime in if you have some suggestions.
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Re: Steyr Mod 95/34 Need help with bolt opening
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2013, 02:31:43 PM »
Jim:  iirc, those bolts are handfit in the Steyr 95s, and most if not all other Mausers.  Does the serial # on your bolt match that of the rifle?  If not, the bolt needs to be fit, properly, so it seems.  Might probably even cost less than another bolt.  imo.

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Re: Steyr Mod 95/34 Need help with bolt opening
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2013, 04:54:36 PM »
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   The bold and receiver match. The bolt will not stay extended when it is removed from the receiver. Some times it does but most of the time it doesn;t. It may be due to a bad extractor. I have read where the extractor plays a large part in this rifle. By the time I but an extractor and maybe some more small parts, buying a bolt may be the way to go.
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Re: Steyr Mod 95/34 Need help with bolt opening
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2013, 09:48:26 AM »
I wonder if the locking lug raceway inside the reciever have a burr or something causing the bolt head to stick when it is rotating into or out of battery. May not be the bolt at all. Just a bit of info, but my bolt never stays in the extended position after removal from the action, before or after I have worked it. I have lost some skin to that bolt head rotating into the extended position if I don't fully position it. Snap! Ouch! Not sure if that is proper operation or not, just thought I'd compare notes.
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Re: Steyr Mod 95/34 Need help with bolt opening
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2013, 10:55:53 AM »
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Do you have any trouble out of it when you fire it? This thing has whipped me.
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Re: Steyr Mod 95/34 Need help with bolt opening
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2013, 12:48:46 AM »
The only time I have had real problems getting it open was twice, but that was due to overpressure from reloaded ammo. That was my fault. I had to get a mallet and whack the bolt open to extract spent case. I corrected that issue immedietly by tuning the load. Other than that I have never had a problem closing or opening the bolt once I completely, but lightly lubed the action rails and bolt surface.
Does it cycle with dummy rounds ok. Does it cycle with or without the enbloc. Disclaimer here. Mine M95 has been altered. I had it rebarreled to 44 Mag/445 Super mag and changed to a tray fed single shot, so I dont mess with a enbloc. That should not affect anything, but it might in your case. Just throwing that out there.
It still requires me to have the rifle firmly seated in my shoulder or I drop the buttstock down to seat on my thigh and pull the bolt back. I cannot cycle my bolt "open handed" for lack of a better term. If I do not have the rifle against something I cannot open the bolt. I cannot overcome the the force required to get the bolt head moving to cycle. Once I get the bolt moving it cycles easily. Much easier now since it has been slicked up by cleaning, polishing and lubing. During operation I am not gentle with it. I slam it into battery and yank it with authority to get it open.
Does the bolt open and close easliy in barreled action when it is out of the stock. Someone had mention reciever flex and I know that is an issue. If possible I pillar and reciever bed all my actions so I cannot overtighten them after cleaning.
Hope this helps. Good Luck. Not sure if getting another bolt will solve the issue, but if it doesn't good excuse to get another rifle.
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Re: Steyr Mod 95/34 Need help with bolt opening
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2013, 02:06:49 AM »
 8uck5nort
   I am now at the very same place that you describe.Sounds identical. It is a little better if I cock it first.I have stripped this thing down and eleminated it to the inside bolt body and the bolt head worm gear type bolt.
I am actually making progress This means I don't have to use a rubber hammer to open it. :)
Found out that there was a rough place inside the bolt body Used a 12 ga. shotgun brush and soaked patches. That gave some relief.
Now that I am making progress it has actually been a learning situation.
Going to a gun show Sat. and will look for an extractor just to satisfy me.
Thanks guys for your post and suggestions. I'm gonna fix this thig sooner or later.
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Re: Steyr Mod 95/34 Need help with bolt opening
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2013, 03:36:15 AM »
Got it :) :) :) :) :) :)  Daughter got me a as new bolt off of E Bay. Works like a champ.  Fathers day Present.  :) :) :)
                           Thanks for the replies
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Re: Steyr Mod 95/34 Need help with bolt opening
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2013, 05:24:03 PM »
BuckSnort, the missing skin had me laughing. Same thing happened to me on the same type of rifle. Covered in grease and snap. Took me the better part of thirty minutes to get it where it would go back in the rifle. The hakim and swedish lungjman are known for what would be the worst case of M1 thumb if the finger goes where it shouldn't when letting the bolt slam forward.
Jim, goes to show you that sometimes presistence pays off. Happy Father's Day. I got a nice K38 for mine. Frank