Author Topic: BOB gun (Read 3714 times)

SHOOTALL · « **on:** June 04, 2013, 02:36:26 AM »

So if you have a BOB what gun ? what ammo ? how much ?

wolverine_1 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 04, 2013, 03:57:27 AM »

Obviously, I don't BOB, but if I did I'd probably aquire a Henry Survival Rifle because it is so small and compact to fit in a BOB.

Ranger99 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 04, 2013, 08:15:33 AM »

meaning something that stays in
and is stored in a survival bag?

ar-7 plus a h&r 9 shot .22 or an
affordable semi pistolla and a
brick of ammo.

wolverine_1 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 04, 2013, 08:23:56 AM »

IF I was going to BOB, which as a good citizen I obviously won't, I'd have the AR-7 in a bag ready to go with three mags and enought ammo to feed it.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #4 on:** June 04, 2013, 10:02:02 AM »

Well it should be in the bag or very near and easy to pick up and put in the bag. As much as I realize the 22 RF is a poor choice for long term storage or for use in wet or moist conditions and that they can be affected by heat I have the idea a good quality 22 handgun would be a good choice. A suppressed one even better. I would go with a Browning Buckmark or Ruger MK 2 . Others are suitable. I would try to waterproof ammo and carry extra magazines also protected.
Part of my change of opinion on the 22 LR is post read here and part from other reading. But another influence was reading about the Army Scouts from Alaska who were issued a 22 pistol for survival and the use they put them to. It was very successful. If they can make it work up there here should be easier.

Of course a good Glock 23 should not be over looked either.

The survival rifle concept is a strong runner and the 410 22 mag O/U that was out years ago would be nice but most I know with the hennery say it is very ammo sensitive and that is bad when ammo selection is nill.

Lurker · « **Reply #5 on:** June 04, 2013, 11:19:41 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on June 04, 2013, 10:02:02 AM

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The survival rifle concept is a strong runner and the 410 22 mag O/U that was out years ago would be nice but most I know with the Henry say it is very ammo sensitive and that is bad when ammo selection is nill.

I would rather have to survive with a sharp stick, than an AR-7...!
Bill

Ranger99 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 04, 2013, 05:04:19 PM »

i'll have to go with an ar-7 if
i had a choice. it's not an anschutz
granted, but it has a longer reach
than most sharp sticks. for that
matter, i'd choose a jennings peestola
over a stick.

FPH · « **Reply #7 on:** June 04, 2013, 05:06:50 PM »

I have an old Charter Arms AR 7. As long as I feed it mini mags....it;s fine.....better than said sharp stick.

wolverine_1 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 04, 2013, 05:45:36 PM »

My Henry seems to work fine except with Federal. I think the thing is to find what yours likes and feed it that.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #9 on:** June 04, 2013, 06:14:45 PM »

My Walking home bag has in it.
the oh so manly S&W Model 642 Lady Smith. with two holsters One in a inside the pocket holster, the other is a belt strong side both by Galco.
I have 25 rounds of 125 grain Jacked hollow points +P. 5 rounds loose and 20 in 4 speed loaders.
I have a liter of water in 2 half liter bottles. A water purifyer stick, a couple ganola bars and a couple pack of nabs (crackers with either fake cheese or peanut butter, and a can of soup the pull top type and a plastic spoon. A strong folding knife (KaBar Dozier Design) matches, Zippo and ligher fluid, and a few stove tabs. Also 10 US 1 ounce silver coins, 20 US 1/2 silver dollars, a pair of clean morino wool socks, a small jar of foot powder and my old hiking boots that are worn in but not worn out. Sure Fire G3 flash light with spare 123 Battereis, Small 1st aid kit and some parachute cord. Sun and rain hat, jacket, leather work gloves, and wool blanket. all in a day pack.
I picked the Small J frame for two reasons.
1) it hides well in a pair of Khakis that I normally wear to work and can slip it in my pocket if I am headed someplace I do not feel safe.
2) I can shoot it pretty well.as well as the J frame cna fit in the hand warmer pocket of my jacket and I cna have my hand on the gun and not look like it.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #10 on:** June 05, 2013, 01:20:59 AM »

I would pick the M-6 over the AR-7 any day. It should pack easy. But it would be awkward to hide if it was your only gun and a lot of folks were around. It's nice to have a gun but in some cases it might make you a target for bad guys or police. I agree with the J-frame and one in 22 mag would be a good choice to add to the 38 . A 22 mag might do by itself if weight was a concern. Add one in the mini revolver size for a last ditch hide out for extra insurance.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #11 on:** June 05, 2013, 01:25:17 AM »

I have heard some say a Glock/1911 with a 22 cal. slide and barrel would be a good thing to have. But two things come to mind when you are switching back and forth could parts get lost ? and while using the 22 what happens if a crisis arises that the full bore gun would work better ?

Maybe a 10-22 take down in your BOB along with a 38 or such makes sense.

BTW I don't have a dog in this fight it's all speculation at this point.

kid_couteau · « **Reply #12 on:** June 05, 2013, 04:37:05 AM »

Hi All

I have been playing around with a Chipmunk hunter pistol in 22 mag.

Stainless with laminate stock only a single shot but for foraging it will work.

Not too heavy and is smaller than a normal rifle.

You do need to have something to rest it on to get the best shots but that is any gun.

HTH
Kid

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #13 on:** June 05, 2013, 06:10:06 AM »

I think the BOB is going to change from place to place. I know my choice here in Southern CA is going to be different than if I were in VA. In the deserts of CA I need ot carry more water, where in VA you drive over a bridge and there is a stream under the bridge and not dry sand. Water can be picked up almost anywhere on the east coast.
If I were to change the use of the BOB from Getting home to getting out of town if I lived in the City and may need to leave to excape a fire, riot, or mud slide instead of what I have it for to walk home in case the ground moves and knocks down bridges and road ways.
I think I would change to my Sig P229 and my 870 18" with a top fold stock to replace the M4 collapsible style stock. Your goal is personal protection and conceelment not hunting. If other family members are going as well then the same calibers or guns for everyone makes sense to me. Share ammo and mags/ speed loaders. If the shotgun is a concern then a 20 ga may be best with a few slugs, bird shot, and buck shot. You can carry 8 to 10 more rounds of 20 ga for the same weight as a 12ga. A 22LR with CB's like a single shot or tube fed to quietly add some small game to the pot. One of the longer barrel single shots may be perfect and compact. It may be better to eat what you can find at first than eat what you bring. Being quiet may be needed so people do not come to the sound of gunfire to see what you are doing. A 10/22 take down my be a good choice with the new Remington CBee's that are long rifle length and will cycle through a rotary mag that the shorter CB long or short will not for small game and a couple of mags with full power long rifles for protection in a different mag. Clear for the CBee;s and black for the hi power loads.
The Sig P229 is small, but not too small. I shoot it well and in 9mm I can carry a little more ammo than I could with 40S&W for the same weight. While I have a 22LR upper for a couple of my Sigs I would not include it. I would not want to change the upper and keep track of waht mag is where and would never want to stick a 9mm loaded mag in a self defense situation with the 22 upper on it. And having two mags that fit in the same gun shooting different ammo sounds like a problem to me when under stress.
I would customize a framed back pack to beable to hold a pistol that does not look like a holster and an Axe cover that holds the shotgun. I figure the look of an axe head will store a pistol grip of the shotgun and fewer questions will be asked about an axe than a scatter gun, but can be pulled out quickly. And pack can carry more stuff to last 3 to 5 days away from the problem in the pack. From smoke free cooking to shelter and ways to collect, sanatize and store water.
I keep mentioning weight as if it is a Bug Out Bag and you may be on foot at some point being able to carry the weight may make a difference in how fast you can move to excape the problem. If you are carrying a whole sporting goods store you are not going to go far, fast. And Bug out means moving ahead of the problem quickly.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #14 on:** June 05, 2013, 09:02:57 AM »

In much of the East bugging out would be in a crowd at least in the first few days. We do have water but much is not fit to drink due to chemicals etc.

WD45 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 05, 2013, 04:02:04 PM »

I do enjoy pondering on such posts and all the different ideas and reasoning everybody has. There are so many factors that go into it it's hard to nail down. I tend to think in either long term or short term. Pure survival for long term is a much different proposition than a couple months or less or just getting from where you got stranded to safety. As stated what works in one part of the country may not work to well in another part of the country and what time of year it is. As much as a fan of big bore guns that I am I tend to go small bore, lighter and be able to carry more ammo for survival. I like the 22 mag and the 22 WRF combo. rifle and pistol. I wish they made a 22 supermag rimfire. I also wish they made a quite 22 mag like a ceebee. Shotgun would be good to have especially for someone that either has bad eyes or just plain cant shoot well. My eyes sure aren't what they used to be. You guys that wear bifocals know what I mean. Most people just don't shoot enough to kill a squirrel with a 22 rifle much less a pistol. That being said the Keltec 22 mag pistol would be pretty handy to throw in a bag.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #16 on:** June 06, 2013, 01:38:28 AM »

Have you shot the Kel-Tec ? I was wondering how it worked ? Some call it the poor mans 5.7

mannyrock · « **Reply #17 on:** June 06, 2013, 03:30:07 AM »

Why all of this talk about a .22 pistol? What a piece of junk. Your greatest danger in a bug-out situation is other people.

The sole purpose of a handgun in any threatening situation is to stop a person stone cold dead, immediately, at combat distances of up to 21 feet. The .22 pistol can't do this. It would more than likely just get you killed.

Hunting? The bug out situation isn't a hunting weekend, where you are going to sit around plinking at small game at really close range to put meat in the pot.

Proper handgun: Smith & Wesson J frame, steel, 3-inch barrel, in .357 Magnum. Can shoot .38, .38P+ or .357 mag, whichever fits your bill. Or, if you are into wrist pain, the Airweight in .357 Magnum.

Proper rifle: Totally depends on how "compact" the rig needs to be, and where you think you may end up in your bug-out trip. Personally, if the Henry pump action in .22 mag can be broken down, that's what I would take. If not, then it would be a Handi Rifle, short barrel, in .223 or .357, depending on your destination terrain. Can be broken in half or reassembled in less than 30 seconds..

And when it comes to "hunting," quite talking about squirrels, and start thinking about dogs and cats.

Manny

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #18 on:** June 06, 2013, 03:41:03 AM »

Mannyrock,
You talk about personal defense and then say Handi rifle that surpised me. For the same or similar space in a take down you can take an M4 AR style rifle for the same take down space and the AR just clicks together wiht two pins instead of screwing the for forend on and making sure it is at a certain pressure to maintain accuracy. Is a torque wrench going to be part of your bug out bag?
And yes Cats and dogs are going to be better use of a bullet, but how many people know how to cook dog or cat, but you can practice making tree rat using an air rifle in the back yard of most houses.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #19 on:** June 06, 2013, 03:42:33 AM »

Depending on your situation a 22 might be just the ticket. Lets assume we are not in the USA. We are trying to move from a place of crisis with danger of being killed. We must stay out of site as we move away. Our game plan is hide out and move as we cam. Drawing attention is not an option we can survive.
Police and military must be avoided at all cost. A shoot out will be our end. It would seem that a 22 , suppressed in possible would secure food ( cat, rat dog etc.) or take out someone about to expose us.
Hunting would be targets of opportunity maybe while hiding ( much like in a blind).
And nothing prevents us from having a larger gun with us or using the 22 to secure one.
But the more we talk about BOB's and escaping crisis it seems there will be times a handgun or several would be the ticket.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #20 on:** June 06, 2013, 03:52:18 AM »

If you are aout of the country and let's asy on Safari in Africa. You are going to have what you have.
Many places do not allow handguns.
In the US leaving a crisis the police, like in New Orleans will be moving their families and you awill have to deal with them as paniced excapees as well as the others. I do not see police standing outside of a city like NKVD officers in stallangrad shooting any and all civilians trying to leave or East German border guards.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #21 on:** June 06, 2013, 05:13:08 AM »

All very true. One should be well versed in operating a wealth of weapons. And the French underground proved you can get weapons from your enemy As did the Grey Ghost.

WD45 · « **Reply #22 on:** June 06, 2013, 03:53:25 PM »

Shootall, I have not shot one of the Keltecs, Handled one at LGS but way way way overpriced. It would go well withya rifle and at close range the 22 mag is nothing to sneeze at. Never said I wouldnt have a bigger bore pistol but no matter what it is big bore ammo is larger and heavy and you could only carry so much without a pack mule. Much depends on where you are at and the general population there. Most people would be quite supprized at just how many people actually live around them and would probably all be out and about. SElf defense or not when your out of ammo your out of ammo and in that case there is no way to restock. Heck , I cant even buy a 22 anything around here still. But there are plenty of shotgun shells still to be had.

wolverine_1 · « **Reply #23 on:** June 06, 2013, 04:34:16 PM »

Why do we all assume we will be in a big firefight? Movies?

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #24 on:** June 06, 2013, 05:32:25 PM »

Quote from: wolverine_1 on June 06, 2013, 04:34:16 PM

Why do we all assume we will be in a big firefight? Movies?

From Men in Black.
A person is smart, People are stupid and when paniced or fearfull they react badly.
Watch the people around you in a traffic jam or getting around an accident. Those same morons that do not have a clue will be the ones the other impatiant morons will be shooting at in fear of their lives.
You will always have preditors, that see you with things and want them since they have non and showing strength may make them move on to easier prey. Mountain lions would rather grab a fawn than a doe and a doe than a buck who will fight back with better weapons and a cat will always want to go for a deer over a wild boar.
Hopefully the preditors do not see you as a Fawn and try to feast off of you. In a mass riot where the mob is moving along burning and looting you may need to protect yourself and your family if the riot over takes you.
During the occupy movement the mob was miles away and by the time the police pulled into our parkeing lot an told us they were headed to the port (a block away) we all shut down computersn and left. Had we waited 3 more minutes all of our cars would have been blocked in. I am sure anyone with a nie car would have had it defaced with the sighns or paint they were carrying. Had anyone faught back the mob would have turned. It did not take much to have the Occupy groups go from hippy love in protest to anarchist riot.
And Being ready does not mean you have to use it.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #25 on:** June 07, 2013, 06:59:27 AM »

a big fire fight ?
if you knew what the future would bring would you not know what handgun to bring ? But you don't so should you prepare for worst case to be safe or not ?

Couger · « **Reply #26 on:** June 07, 2013, 08:35:33 AM »

Reading the last several posts, being aware of the latest NEWS or one's situational awareness would be vital, if not absolutely necessary in many scenarios.

Then making appropriate plans ...... And acting on what was best or needed ........ ? ***

As for this weapon or that one? Almost sounds like bordering on symantics.

In BOB, bugout, bug-in situation ..... Avoiding mobs, crowds, GANGs (most certainly!) as well as any authorities! (cops and military) is absolutely imperative!

Getting into any kind of a shootout is an absolute last choice in ANY situation!

What I've learned from these kinds of threads is that a ~~'prepper~~' boy scout will need multiple knives, along with "multiple guns!

The knives might include ONE hunting or K-Bar (personal-size) knife like the Marines carry, but also several utilitarian pocket or folding type knives, etc. (sheer numbers, I see myself having a fixed hunting knife, a paring-type knife. and one or two Swiss Army knives, all actually not that "BIG!' and minimal in size and space).

The guns include at least two (if not three or four?) A handgun capable of killing an assailent (even out to 30+ yards, if necessary?), but also a foraging piece probably in a rimfire. Now some folks will opt for a handgun AND a rifle or carbine ...... Some even shooting the same round (when possible). That is certainly VERY appealing!

But even if that was the route I chose (or not), my kit would include a single-shot .22 like a Sheridan Knockabout (cleaned up and modified into something accurate! not really what I'd want!), or one of those old parlor-type single-shot guns of yesteryear if it was halfway accurate and in LongRifle, could be used for shooting squirrels, grouse, bunnies (or a pet cat if necessary ......) would help feed onself.

I've also ~~heard~~ read folks talking about having a AR-7 or Marlin Papoose compact scrounger! One of those or a Savage O/U Model 24 in .22 /.410 (or similar) are mentioned as well (for those who insist on packing a .410 or simi;lar).

but .......

What rules of "conduct" and "movement" would one adopt? Beyond what hardware a fellow selects and then manages to stay un-seen and un-detected seems of greatest importance to being alive, successful, and able to bug-home (or "out" if that's the case).

Another thread (or two) I think would be useful (or satisfying) in discussing is what kind of coat/smock, foul-weather, outdoor clothing would be useful for camping on the run ...... Not unlike (perhaps?) some of the european militaries have used? Or experimented with?

Also a thread on pocket-size "camping" would be interesting to "combine" with above clothing, gear and whatever doomsday-choices of hardware!

*** Digressing just enough ...... What would happen in individual scarnios if your [personal] "situational awareness" went to scheet? or ZERO?

How would you exist? And function? If all you knew was the SHTF and were "somewhere?"

But THAT was all you knew? What would you then do?

Maybe utter a prayer to the Almighty to ask His help?

Hunker-down (for even a 1/2 hour) to observe and collect one's thoughts before launching whatever "plan?"

reliquary · « **Reply #27 on:** June 07, 2013, 09:33:13 AM »

How many times have we been over these "what's the best gun to carry and how many of them do I need?" topics?

It's impossible to plan for each and every scenario that might come along. Pretty soon you'll need to have a wheelbarrow to pack your BOB....oh, wait...another good idea? What kind of wheelbarrow and how big?

Having toted backpacks for fun and rucksacks for business, many miles over a lot of different terrain, I can verify that things get really heavy after a few miles. Make it light on yourself...literally.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #28 on:** June 07, 2013, 09:45:06 AM »

the fun is everyone offering their view. So far it has been both informative and civil. If one plans to travel to another area it might be useful.

GrassLakeRon · « **Reply #29 on:** June 14, 2013, 02:30:40 AM »

This is an easy call: 1) if you leave early when the panic hasnt set in, any gun is fine. Most folks wont realize the problem. 2) if you wait people will have time to panic and get aggressive, then something like a 357 for close issues is needed. Loud and powerful sends a message to back off. 3) weeks into a issue, a tank is needed because folks know the problem, didnt plan for it and are in extreme need of what you have.

Ron