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 Lawmakers urge Sebelius to let dying child have shot at lung transplant  Published June 04, 2013
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House Republicans on Tuesday pressed the country’s top health official to cut through the government red tape in order to let a dying child have a chance at getting a lung transplant, as Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius continued to argue that the situation is "difficult."
Sebelius, ultimately, did not say what the government would do in the high-profile case of 10-year-old Sarah Murnaghan, who is dying from cystic fibrosis but cannot get an adult lung until they are offered first to adult patients. According to federal policy, the minimum age for her to be on the adult list is 12.
 
Georgia Republican Rep. Tom Price, a doctor, told Sebelius that he understands the federal policy and appreciates her sympathy about the situation. But, he said, she can save the child’s life by “signing a paper.”
Price cut off Sebelius during a Republican-led House committee hearing on the department’s 2014 budget proposal, as she was talking about how she personally talked to Sarah’s mother.
 
“I cannot image anything more difficult,” Sebelius continued after her exchange with Price.
Sebelius also repeated what she has said in recent days -- that she has asked for a review of the policy.
Price, though, said the child could die during the review process, considering it also includes a lengthy public-comment period.
“I’m begging you,” Rep. Lou Barletta, R-Pa., said. “Sarah has three to five weeks to live.”
Pediatric lungs are rare, and the Murnaghan family thought their daughter would have a shot at a transplant if she made a list of adults.
 
Sebelius repeated that surgeons and transplant doctors say the probability of a successful transplant is low when a child as young as Sara receives an adult lung.
However, Barletta and others say Sarah’s doctors think the transplant could be successful.
Sarah is being treated at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. She is a top candidate on the pediatric-transplant list, but officials say there are far fewer pediatric donors due to improved treatment.
The nonprofit that manages the transplant system – the Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network --- says a policy change is unlikely to come soon enough to make a difference in Sarah's case.
 
Republicans at the hearing also got support for Pennsylvania GOP Rep. Patrick Meehan, a former U.S. attorney, who said his review of federal policy shows Sebelius could a make the exception “without upsetting precedent or violating the consistency of allocation policy.”
He also suggested the child is a victim of age discrimination, saying in a letter Tuesday to Sebelius: “Sarah is not asking to be placed ahead of another, but rather she is petitioning for the ability to compete for equitable treatment based on sound medical judgment and that she be accorded her appropriate place in line. Her need and survivability are the critical factors.”
The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Re: Lawmakers urge sebelius to allow transplant for dying girl.
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2013, 12:38:42 PM »
People should look at this situation carefully.  This is a glimpse of how Obamacare will work for all of us.  A situation where the doctors are saying they feel they have a good chance of saving the poor girl's life - and a bureaucrat in Washington refuses to let them try.
 
Sebelius "has asked for a review of the policy"!  Obviously just stalling for time until the girl dies and she won't have to grant an exception so she can have the transplant.
 
I suppose if someone's in favor of killing babies the killing of a 10 yr old wouldn't weigh very heavy on their conscience either.
 

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Re: Lawmakers urge sebelius to allow transplant for dying girl.
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2013, 01:41:41 PM »
If Obama care is supposed to have death panels ie who lives and who dies. Why do you support the US Rep. who with out any medical training would decide if a child, who medicaly would not have as much of a chance as an adult to surive a lung transplant. This is with an adult lung. Lets leave it ti the Doctors and keep the politics out of it. It sounds if you wont the child to maby live and the adult to surly die without the lung.
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Re: Lawmakers urge sebelius to allow transplant for dying girl.
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2013, 04:00:57 PM »
People should look at this situation carefully.  This is a glimpse of how Obamacare will work for all of us.  A situation where the doctors are saying they feel they have a good chance of saving the poor girl's life - and a bureaucrat in Washington refuses to let them try.
 
Sebelius "has asked for a review of the policy"!  Obviously just stalling for time until the girl dies and she won't have to grant an exception so she can have the transplant.
 
I suppose if someone's in favor of killing babies the killing of a 10 yr old wouldn't weigh very heavy on their conscience either.

 
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Welcme to Obamacare..
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2013, 12:43:14 AM »
  ..And welcome to the "death panels"..in this case a one-woman death panel:
   http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-04/dying-girl-denied-u-s-waiver-for-adult-lung-transplant.html
 
  It wasn't long ago (a few months) when doctors and the family made those decisions.  Now those decisions will be made by a  detached, government bureaucrat.
 
               In socialism and communism, the individual doesn't count.  Such regimes must by nature at times, be ruthless.  Does the average socialist voter actually think for one moment that they would be an exception, were it their child which needs lifesaving help?
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Re: Welcme to Obamacare..
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2013, 02:50:34 AM »
Kathleen Sebelius will have that little girls's blood on her hands if the little girl doesn't make it!
 

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Re: Welcme to Obamacare..
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2013, 03:43:50 AM »
This is a classic example of how socialized healthcare works.  Sacrificing individuals for the "good" of the masses.  Just think how many runny noses can be cured by not spending any money trying to save this little girl's life. :(

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Re: Welcme to Obamacare..
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2013, 04:16:11 AM »
Obamacare my @$$! The OPTN was created under Ronald Reagan, and their rules were and are  dictated by the insurance industry. If you actually READ that article, you see that there are over 40 other kids that DO meet the criteria. Which one of them would YOU tell is going to be bumped down the list? Sure, there's a POSSIBILITY an adult transplant will work for the 10 year old, but it is much more likely to help one of the others. This doesn't have anything to do with Obamacare. Why is this troll post in the politics section?
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« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2013, 04:47:23 AM »
Obamacare my @$$! The OPTN was created under Ronald Reagan, and their rules were and are  dictated by the insurance industry. If you actually READ that article, you see that there are over 40 other kids that DO meet the criteria. Which one of them would YOU tell is going to be bumped down the list? Sure, there's a POSSIBILITY an adult transplant will work for the 10 year old, but it is much more likely to help one of the others. This doesn't have anything to do with Obamacare. Why is this troll post in the politics section?
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  Sheesh, Chung!   I believe you would continue to swill the Koolaid..even if it were blended with sulphuric acid!  Where were you when Jim Jones was recruiting?  ;) :D
        Look, "that woman,Ms Sabellius".. could save this child's life with a swirl of her pen, but thusfar she has chosen not to do so!
     http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/06/04/secretary-sebelius-stop-hiding-behind-bureaucratic-rules-and-save-childs-life/?test=latestnews
 
  I bet you would be singing a different tune..if that were YOUR 10 year  old girl.. who will die within 3-4 weeks!
 
  It is interesting to see how you pink robots are now trying to reach back a quarter century..in an attempt to blame Ronald reagan for the current failure's shortcomings.
  But then, those might not be shortcomings in a Leninist Amerika!
 
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« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2013, 07:16:08 AM »
Game, set, match, give it up Chung!
 

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Re: Lawmakers urge sebelius to allow transplant for dying girl.
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2013, 08:29:40 AM »
OK, those of you who are holier than me: How many here want to have one of their kids or grandkids killed so this little girl might live? Better yet, why don't you go down there yourselves and volunteer to give her YOUR lungs, since the argument is over whether she can get an adult lung. Can I get a show of hands for volunteers? I might be able to make it happen--- after all, they only need PART of an adult lung set.
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« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2013, 09:03:16 AM »
If they'd take my 65 year old lung I'd be there today.  I've about had it anyway. 
 
But what I really want to say is that Chung is colder than a frozen frog.  If the scratch of a pen would give her a chance, scratch it.  Just get it done without another hour of delay.  This is very much an example of what is awaiting us.  Under the new socialist agenda, a person too sick or too old is not worth the effort to save.  Sickening. 

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Re: Lawmakers urge sebelius to allow transplant for dying girl.
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2013, 09:38:17 AM »
Why are you trolling and belittling people who believe that a 10 year old should have a shot at an organ transplant just like anyone else? There is little difference in the anatomy and physiology between a 10 and a 12 year old.
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« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2013, 10:20:06 AM »
Why are you trolling and belittling people who believe that a 10 year old should have a shot at an organ transplant just like anyone else? There is little difference in the anatomy and physiology between a 10 and a 12 year old.

 
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Re: Lawmakers urge sebelius to allow transplant for dying girl.
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2013, 10:58:49 AM »
OK, those of you who are holier than me: How many here want to have one of their kids or grandkids killed so this little girl might live?
I'm sure you Lefties wouldn't mind, after all you-re the guys who insist on the legalized killing of thousands every week..56,000,000 since Roe v Wade in 1973..
Better yet, why don't you go down there yourselves and volunteer to give her YOUR lungs, since the argument is over whether she can get an adult lung. Can I get a show of hands for volunteers? I might be able to make it happen--- after all, they only need PART of an adult lung set.  Unfortunately, of the thousands each week that you Libbies grin over being killed.. none of their lungs will work, since they are just too young.  But the abortuaries don't lose any, since they can still sell the baby parts to their "regulars"..
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Re: Lawmakers urge sebelius to allow transplant for dying girl.
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2013, 11:09:53 AM »
Morons. Enough, already. Have fun in the bubble--- I'm out of here. I'll look in from time to time if and whenever I wonder about the prejudices of old white guys. Y'all need to start a Hypocrisy board, or maybe a KKK board. You'd get more outsiders to agree with you.
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« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2013, 11:57:31 AM »
The judge has granted a TRO so the girl can go on the adult waiting list.    Hopefully, Sebelius will have the wisdom not to contest the ruling and ask for expedited appeal.  Of course, her boss Obama may order her to ask so that the little girl will die. 

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« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2013, 12:04:37 PM »
Morons. Enough, already. Have fun in the bubble--- I'm out of here.

See ya Chung.   It has been a privelege to know you.   I mean that sincerely.

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Re: Lawmakers urge sebelius to allow transplant for dying girl.
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2013, 01:13:56 PM »
Morons. Enough, already. Have fun in the bubble--- I'm out of here. I'll look in from time to time if and whenever I wonder about the prejudices of old white guys. Y'all need to start a Hypocrisy board, or maybe a KKK board. You'd get more outsiders to agree with you.


many of us "Morons" and "Old white guys" have been in places we didn't want to go, in far way jungles, to support your right to say things like that.


if you, obviously, support communism, socialism, Leninism, fascism, why not just say so? it's much easier to debate, sensibly, factually and respectfully.


as i see it, i do not agree with you about many things, but you DO have a right to that opinion and believe or not, i can see some of the points made.


you wanna leave? that's your decision...but...i think the EVIDENCE is clearly before OUR eyes, that Obama is definitely socialist/communist by ANY stretch of the imagination...you just do not wish to see it. if obama is NOT stopped, politically, he WILL subjugate the US...


as but ONE example...what other president has ever put forth, or allowed to be suggested, that YOUR IRA cannot generate more than $250,000.00 per year saying that's "more than enough."



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Re: Lawmakers urge sebelius to allow transplant for dying girl.
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2013, 01:37:19 PM »
Who is the adult that won't get the adult lung? Maybe we need to talk to them and their family and ask them who gets the adult lung. This is more of a political mess than beady eyed Bush sticking his nose in the Terry Shivo case. Let the Doctors do their job. Any one who has no training and the girls medical history,test results should stay out of  it.
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Re: Lawmakers urge sebelius to allow transplant for dying girl.
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2013, 01:48:54 PM »
Morons. Enough, already. Have fun in the bubble--- I'm out of here.

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« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2013, 02:38:16 PM »
Bye bye. If they do start a hypocrisy board you could serve as its chief executive. You certainly have the prerequisites for the job.

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« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2013, 02:12:51 AM »
Chung was correct on this one. Most of the rest of you need to look beyond the FOX headline on this. Why should she be moved ahead of others already on the list? Yes, none of us know all the details and background.
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« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2013, 05:13:54 AM »
  Yes Comrade;  Let her die, since the commisar of Central Planning demands it!
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« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2013, 05:27:19 AM »
Chung was correct on this one. Most of the rest of you need to look beyond the FOX headline on this. Why should she be moved ahead of others already on the list? Yes, none of us know all the details and background.
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The more important question is why should she be denied a chance at life by not being allowed on the transplant list? Put her on the list and at least let her have a chance. If she dies while waiting at least her kin can take comfort in the fact that at least she was given a chance and had hope if only for a brief time.It is not about politics it is about right and wrong. Have a little compassion for crying out loud.

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« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2013, 05:54:07 AM »
Does anybody still question the fact that socialism  & communism are heartless ?
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« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2013, 12:36:32 PM »
Morons. Enough, already. Have fun in the bubble--- I'm out of here.

I wonder how long it will be before we will see a "NEW" liberal troll show up? ::)

 
HEH, won't take long, another election coming in 2014. POWDERMAN.  ;) ;)
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Re: Lawmakers urge sebelius to allow transplant for dying girl.
« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2013, 12:23:35 PM »
If this was a 32 y/o woman needing the transplant, who was paying 2 K a month on payroll taxes due to a high-paying job AND the projection was her TAXABLE income would rise in the future, Kathleen Sebelius would sign in a heartpump! 
 
But a 10 y/o has contributed NO TAX $$ so far for the most honorable comandment of :"sharing the wealth", and most likely won't, so she is written off. 
 
Under the AHCA, the care we are given we will be decided strictly from the veiw of: "Is he/she a taxable assest or a taxable liabilitiy"?   
 
Why is everyone so upset?  In '08 Barry TOLD us, so many words, EXACTLY what he would do.  He NEVER lied about his plans to re-make the USA.  He was upfront in '08. It was just the semi-literate 47%'ers went ga-ga over thier rock star and put him in office.
 
When queried in '08 by Joe the Plumber about taxes, Barry said: "Share the wealth".                                                                                                                                                                 
When queried in '08 by the young fellow w/ the 98 y/o great grandmother about her health care, Barry said: "Give her a pain pill and let her go."
When queried in '08 about how private business would fare under an Obama administration Barry said: "They can have a coal fired plant if they want one.  I'll just make it so that they cannot operate it.".

In '12, the semi-literate 47%'ers went back to the polls because they got out their base.  The largest voting block in the US ( a shrinking, but still by a big enough margin) is white males.  These neutered girly-men, for whatever reason, didn't 'warm up' to Romney.  Result, they stayed home, we lost! 
 
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Re: Lawmakers urge sebelius to allow transplant for dying girl.
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2013, 12:56:48 PM »
Simple let Doctors make medical decisions and politicions stay the hell out of medicine. They all would be shot if they held to the same standard as Doctors.
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Re: Lawmakers urge sebelius to allow transplant for dying girl.
« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2013, 04:35:20 PM »
Simple let Doctors make medical decisions and politicions stay the hell out of medicine. They all would be shot if they held to the same standard as Doctors.

 
CLUM SUM. BUT BUT BUT, that would make sense, so it'll never fly. Agreed Sir. POWDERMAN.  ;) ;)
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