Both sides OK with Unconstitutional Surveillance

[ChungDoQuan]

http://blog.rongarret.info/2013/06/court-finds-nsa-surveillance.html

Apparently neither side of the aisle has a problem with the court's ruling that it's unconstitutional. So, now we have to break the law to uphold the law? Anybody ever read "The Destroyer" books? Ever see "Remo Williams-- the Adventure Begins"? Boehner and Graham are down with surveillance--- they've both said so on tv. So are Feinstein and some others.

[Bob Riebe]

Fox news had story the other day about how Rep. and Dem. viewed this during each parties time power.

It showed that while the Dem. are a bit more hypocritical, if voters from either party want to point fingers, they had best stand in front of a mirror.

[SharonAnne]

The best solution would be to time it for when the Pres gives his state of the union address, get all the senators and reps in the house of congress, then set off a 1 megaton nuke. That would clean out all of the elected criminals and the non elected bureaucrats that actually run things.

It has been done, in a Tom Clancy novel. That is where I got the idea. A fully fueled 747 was the weapon then, not a nuke.

That will get me on a watch list, if I was not on one already.

[Mike in Virginia]

I'm not certain it's unconstitutional.  I'm am fairly certain it's saved lives.  Criminals often say stuff in advance of their criminal acts that gives L/E a heads-up and the acts can be prevented. 
 
I really don't see we can have an expectation of privacy with the Internet and cell phones.
 
Don't want it leaked, don't put it out there. 

[Dee]

I think all this is great. This TOTALLY makes a mockery of the folks that told me my INDEPENDENT VOTE was wasted. They were voting Democrat, and didn't even know it. LOL! It just don't get no better than this.

[Anna]

The best solution would be to time it for when the Pres gives his state of the union address, get all the senators and reps in the house of congress, then set off a 1 megaton nuke. That would clean out all of the elected criminals and the non elected bureaucrats that actually run things.

It has been done, in a Tom Clancy novel. That is where I got the idea. A fully fueled 747 was the weapon then, not a nuke.

That will get me on a watch list, if I was not on one already.

Selective biological, that way they could watch themselves rot for the feces they are.

[goodshot]

         Anna- good to hear from you  et all, one of your last of your posts was on a thread started by YT3, after I entered my post I saw in the column yt had made an entry. I was reminded of the verse where we are guided to avoid "vain babblings", tried it and it works great. 
      Also reminds me of working corrections/mh, there is no way you can take in and respond to every brain flatulance we hear in a day.
        So great to live in these days and see G-ds plan unfold.
        Blessings to all His sheep.

[SharonAnne]

Selective biological, that way they could watch themselves rot for the feces they are.
[/quote]

Now that is an absolutely perfect idea. Now if we could only make it work on those who deserve it. We know that includes all the politicians in DC, but it includes so many others.

[goodshot]

      Guy's/ladies, we're all sinners saved by grace, which we should strive to share with those who are where we were.
      Even if they burnt down an orphanage on Christmas eve.
      If we wish ill on others, it reveals our own heart.
      blessings

[P.A. Myers]

What?

     P.A.

[mcwoodduck]

I think all this is great. This TOTALLY makes a mockery of the folks that told me my INDEPENDENT VOTE was wasted. They were voting Democrat, and didn't even know it. LOL! It just don't get no better than this.

Do you really think the Democrats would allow a possibly Armed Drone to be flown around the US looking for enemies of the state if Mitt was ellected. 
Do you really think the Democrats would allow the illegal survalance of the US by the CIA.  We would never hear the end of it on CNN and MSNBC would be wetting themselves wanting a special prosicuter and empeachemnt. 
They screamed bloody murder about the forgien cell phone monitoring as violations of civil rights when Bush did it but some how it is now OK and we have 1000 times as many requests for survalance by this administration that has no problems using the weight of the government to attack their political enemies and listen in on reporters to see what they are working on and seeing if they can dig up dirt on them to use against them in case. 

[Dee]

I think all this is great. This TOTALLY makes a mockery of the folks that told me my INDEPENDENT VOTE was wasted. They were voting Democrat, and didn't even know it. LOL! It just don't get no better than this.

Do you really think the Democrats would allow a possibly Armed Drone to be flown around the US looking for enemies of the state if Mitt was ellected.
 
Yes, I do. But they would "act" just like the Republicans are acting now. Have you forgotten that the EPA was allowed to use satellite photos to monitor irrigation violations of California farmers under GW Bush?
 
Do you really think the Democrats would allow the illegal survalance of the US by the CIA.  We would never hear the end of it on CNN and MSNBC would be wetting themselves wanting a special prosicuter and empeachemnt. 
 
 
You mean like the Republicans are now. Well they did when GW Bush signed in the PATRIOT ACT which basically GUTTED THE CONSTITUTION. REPUBLICANS PUSHED IT, AND REPUBLCANS PASSED IT, AND BUSH SIGNED IT! Remember?
 

They screamed bloody murder about the forgien cell phone monitoring as violations of civil rights when Bush did it but some how it is now OK and we have 1000 times as many requests for survalance by this administration that has no problems using the weight of the government to attack their political enemies and listen in on reporters to see what they are working on and seeing if they can dig up dirt on them to use against them in case.
 
We all know how inept, and corrupt this president IS, but he is working under the laws, and rules that BUSH signed in. Are you so naïve that you never thought the PATRIOT ACT would never be abused? I don't think you are. "Poor ole George" declared war on Iraq, whom had done NOTHING to the United States. NOTHING! Several hundred thousand people were killed in that war, and we ACCEPT that "our intelligence was wrong". That doesn't do those several hundred thousand dead people much good does it. Over 4 thousand of those folks were YOUNG AMERICAN SOLDIERS.
Now "good ole George" rides bicycles with our wounded troops, cause he loves'em. Everyone seems to miss the point that, they wouldn't be wounded troops, if he hadn't sent them over there. But then we can always say: they volunteered. I don't think they volunteered to do Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia's dirty work for'em.
 
So! Having now said more than I intended on this thread (and it's your fault ), I will end by saying that I AGREE with you concerning the media, BUT! Remember. The Republicans are for this also. Hypocracy knows no bounds, and is NOT isolated to one party. Obama is using the tools that BUSH provided and USED before OBAMA.

[mcwoodduck]

I agree that we all knew that at some point the Patriot act was going to be abused.
It is a clear violation of the constitution.  The Democrats that voted for it are now using it.  The one Democrat Senator  I can think of that voted against it, is now allowing it to be expanded. 
My point was if a Republican President was ellected that the media would be hailing the 28 year old as a wistle blowing hero if he had exposed a republican using the patriot act to spy on US citizen.  They would scream and cry that it was not to find terrorists but to spy on key democrats and collect dirt on them.  I find it that the Democrats are really good at yelling that Republican are doing X while they are the ones that are actually doing it or have done it.  Like a cheating spouce accusing the other of cheating. 
And Dee even if a write in campaign was successful and we would have had a President Paul , the over sized Government would still be asking to fly Drones, to tap phones and to not limit the drones to un armed survalance.  And what A president Paul would or would not have done is moot.  But the Media would have done everything to make sure he was a one term president  and told as many lies as possible to make it happen. 
 

[Dee]

Ok. I don't disagree with the Ron Paul scenerio, but why bring him into the mix? Your statement involved Mitt Romney. Ron Paul wasn't the republican candidate. Romney would have it up less resistance than Paul.
The whole point to my original post was the republicrats are all the same. Until the American voter collectively changes, D.C. Has no need to change, and so it won't . You may not like it, and you may not agree, but that's the way it is, so get used to it.
Now I'm goin ta bed.

[mcwoodduck]

Ok. I don't disagree with the Ron Paul scenerio, but why bring him into the mix? Only because I wanted to show that if we had all joined you and voted for Paul we would still have a similar problem. Your statement involved Mitt Romney. Ron Paul wasn't the republican candidate. Romney would have it up less resistance than Paul. You were the one that brought up not voting for Romney and caliming that all Republicans are the same.  And maybe you are correct.  They see Democrats winning ellection by hook or crook and the media and the  consultants keeps telling them they need to move left to win.  Until the Republican start winning ellections and we cna get the party to move from the Ford faction back to the Regan faction the problem will exist.
The whole point to my original post was the republicrats are all the same. Until the American voter collectively changes, D.C. Has no need to change, and so it won't .  That was my point that we have a government out of control that no matter who is in charge unless the Media starts doing their job in our society and tells the truth we will have a dictator shortly. You may not like it, and you may not agree, but that's the way it is, so get used to it. I will not go gently into that good night but I will rail and fight to turn us around abd we can become a Free Republic again.  We need only to look at History to see that power grabbing people will corupt our freedom and we need to remember that the founding fathers saw this in the oath they say to defend the constitution from all enemies - Forgien and DOMESTIC.  The forgien threat is easy to see, the Domestic threat we have voted into office.
Now I'm goin ta bed. 

[Dee]

Did I vote for Paul? I never thought for a minute he could win the nomination. Duck I think if you go back and read my previous post you'll see that I'm agreeing with ya. The midis however, isn't gonna turn around, and both sides of the government don't care about you, they care about gettin re-elected. They are not for you, they are for the PARTY. The "Parties" are runnin the show and straight line party voters are helping them.
You and I agree on the problem, we just don't agree on the solution. You think I'm wrong, and I think your addicted to redundant failure thru your party loyalty.

[mcwoodduck]

Dee,
I agree with you half way.
The Democrats are out for the party.  The party matters as it carries the ideas.
If you look when an Ellectd  Republican does wrong the Republican throw him out. 
When a Democrat gets caught doing something wrong, the Party circles the wagons and protects him at almost all costs no matter what he or she got caught doing that was illegal. 
And if you did not vote for Paul then Sorry I just remember a post you made of why we needed to convince you to vote for Romney even though he was not the best candidate running for the Republican party nomination.
My point at the time was a President Romney may still be bad but a 2nd term for Obama was worse. 

[ironglow]

  Where the big divide occurs..  Some few of the Republicans (non Rinos) have scruples and values, and they are not yet willing to sell out the constitution and all our personal rights, just for a little temporary political power advantage.  The rest of the national politicians are "sellouts" !
  Those few who still value the constitution, individual freedoms and smaller government could be included under one version or another of the Tea Party.
  The various Tea Parties are not a political party, but a collection of various freedom oriented groups who are trying to inform/enlighten the voting public as to which candidates have our personal freedom in mind.
  Some people verbally abuse these various citizen's groups, resorting to name calling and a government agency which strives to deny the various Tea Parties of their constitutional rights.  The thing which I suppose puzzles me most, is why any American would choose less freedom in lieu of more freedom.