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Johnathan Browning Mt Rifle...kinda
« on: June 15, 2013, 04:26:52 AM »
 I figured some of you guys are familiar with the JBMR and hoped maybe someone could give their thoughts on this rifle i won inexpensively on gunbroker. The seller said it was a frankenrifle, using a browning Mt Rifle barrel only but i noted that the lock seemed to have the characteristic rams horn curled snail and so i gleefully figured it was an original rifle someone had just put TC sights on. Since few had actually bid on it, it was an easy bid and win.

 Of course i had no idea what i was looking at, and it wasn't until later that i realized the Browning only came with a single set trigger, and this gun has a double set. Triggerguard is obviously not original and appears to be a similar design to the early cva Mt. Rifle. Then after some reading i realized that every Browning Mt. rifle i saw had a walnut stock. This one appears to be maple. So obviously its a restock, i suppose. Anyone see any other features outta the norm? By chance does anyone recognize the trigger manufacturer?

 The seller was going out of town for a while and its going to be at least another week before this rifle comes, i tried hard not to mention it and to just patiently wait for it to come, probably my answers will be easier to answer then but darned if i could wait. So i figured i'd just put it out there, to give something to talk about.:)

 Heres a pic from the seller. 
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Re: Johnathan Browning Mt Rifle...kinda
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2013, 05:26:35 AM »
pure speculation on my part but looks like somebody really wanted a double set trigger on his browning mtn rifle. triggerguard almost definitely cva mtn rifle. with that long-azz bar & what looks like a curved front trigger possibly l&r or davis on the trigger assembly, such as sold by track & others.
 
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Re: Johnathan Browning Mt Rifle...kinda
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2013, 10:18:58 AM »
 Yeah i think your right bUbba, someone had trouble outta the trigger maybe or i figured the stock mighta cracked and they had to restock, choosing the aftermarket trigger. I guess i'll know when it comes. Looks like some pretty tigerstripe under the dark finish maybe. J
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Re: Johnathan Browning Mt Rifle...kinda
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2013, 02:06:05 PM »
trigger guard looks like a cva mountain rifle trigger guard.

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Re: Johnathan Browning Mt Rifle...kinda
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2013, 05:21:12 PM »
trigger guard looks like a cva mountain rifle trigger guard.

  Yessir, gotta be. Don't have ahold of it yet but when i do i'll bet thats what it is.. Kinda happy with that , i liked that guard on the one mt. rifle i had briefly that sported it. Hope the fit and finish is good, the lock inletting seems professional. Hope the rest is too. J
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« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2013, 04:46:25 AM »
Frankenrifle or not, I think it looks good. I like the looks of the patina on it.
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Re: Johnathan Browning Mt Rifle...kinda
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2013, 08:34:12 AM »
 Yessir, it took longer than a week to come but i've had it for 4 or 5 days. Wasn't sure exactly what to make of it at first, i was just glad there were no cracks in the stock, and it looked pretty good. then i verified the original sellers remark that the lock wouldn't cock. It didn't. And the finish on the gun was a bit..odd. I started by working on the lock issue, and some of the other pieces of the puzzle fell in place.

 The original owner of the rifle, who has now passed away, was described by the seller as a "parts switcher". He said that he changed everything around on every gun he had. Now i don't fault him for that a bit, and like the gun he built. It appears either the original single set trigger went bad, or the original stock cracked..or maybe he just decided to builda different gun. He used a Johnathan Browning barrel and breech, both marked "59". A different tang appears to be used, its unmarked. The trigger appears very similar to a double set L&R, but is marked "DRU". The lock is Very similar to a Browning but i do detect a difference in the shape of the lockplate i think, from pics i see. It could be original and modified a bit, or the "Ohio" style lock i've seen aftermarket seems similar. I'm not positive about this yet. No markings on it either.  All the brass furniture on the muzzle end are original Browning i think, while the buttplate and triggerguard are both off the early version CVA Mt. Rifle. So its a conglomeration of parts, all in a very nicely figured(but not finished) tiger maple stock, obviously hand build by a professional. I figure the stock was built by a true craftsman, and it was inletted by this same person. I think it was sent, unfinished and in the white, to the man who owned it. It was kinda amatuerishly finished, but the inletting is perfect and all the parts bolted right up. The barrel and iron bits were all left in the white, and the stock hastily stained with walnut maybe..and then the action was tried. Didn't work. The owner put it up, never to address the issue before he passed away. I have no idea how long ago all this took place but the patina on the metal(thanks Lakota!) seems earned by years of just sitting, with no or little oil or handling either.

 So i took the rifle apart and found the issue. The trigger was inletted too close to the sear on the lock, and the sear never could drop down into place, thus securing the cocked hammer. IT took me quite a few hours, and lots of disassembling\reassembling to finally remove enough wood and metal off the double set trigger to get the hammer to stay cocked. At this point i realized the shorter main trigger wouldn't reach the sear and i fashioned a little copper cup to slip over the sear to deepen it..now it finally worked, and worked well. All this messing around endeared me to the rifle too, i know its weird quirks in assembly, things don't just pop together like on a TC, everything has to be finaggled and you have to learn the gun. I learned, over the last few days, a good bit about this one, and i like it.

 its one of the few i've had that i don't think i'm going to finish..or refinish. I like the patina too, it looks like an old gun and isn't readily identifiable as any one kind or another, its a mutt but looks very reminiscent of a period rifle, brass hardware notwithstanding. I found the original rear site on TOTW's site, and found a similar to original front. I still have to replace some missized wood screws that hold the triggerguard on, and i need to wait for my ramrod to come before i'm done with it, however i'll shoot it soon as the sights come. Its a really unique rifle and should prove to be accurate with round balls, it has a 1:62 twist i believe.

 Heres another pics or two, unfortunately the nice striping in the stock is either stained over or burned with aquafortis,closeups would show the grain better. I may well strip it down and redo the stock, but then again, maybe not. Open for suggestions:)





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Re: Johnathan Browning Mt Rifle...kinda
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2013, 01:23:34 PM »
very pretty rifle. im very much likeing the way it looks as is.the dark stock gives it a different look.hope it shoots good!

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Re: Johnathan Browning Mt Rifle...kinda
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2013, 02:42:48 PM »
 Thanks for the kind comment hillbill and yup, your seeing just what i am, it looks good the way it is. No doubt in my mind i could strip the stock, re aquafortis and do it with the goal in mind of really making those stripes pop out, as well as remove lots of little nicks and bumps but somehow i like it looking a bit worn and the dark finish looks good. For now i'll just get it up and shooting and try to leave well enough alone.

 Bubba .50 by the way, mentioned that the finish on the metal may not be patina but rather a treatment of some kind to give the steel a gray phosphate like look. This may be so, wish i knew for sure as i'd like to touch up some bright shiny scratches. Anyone ever heard of such a treatment to "grey" steel?

  If anyone know who really built these Browning marked barrels i'd love to hear it. I know browning never built anything during that period and so the manufacture was done by someone else. It does say Made in the US on it. Thats always a plus.    Jeff

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