Author Topic: The eight best cities to start a new business (Read 2855 times)

mannyrock · « **on:** June 20, 2013, 06:25:28 AM »

CNN Money has an article on line today, listing the best eight cities in America for starting a new business.

They are: Austin, VA Beach, Houston, San Antonio, Nashville, Dallas, Raleigh-Durham, and Colorado Springs.

So, out of these eight, seven are from states of the old Confederacy, one is from Colorado, and not a single one is from the North, the Midwest, or the Pacific Coast.

When people allow their legislatures to ruin their state with high taxes, mandatory unions, extreme over regulation, and hostile permitting systems and bureaucrats, it all comes back to roost. New businesses, new industries, and new jobs go elsewhere.

Mannyrock

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #1 on:** June 20, 2013, 08:44:27 AM »

Surprised Va. Beach was on the list but glad.
Wonder what would happen if all the business pulled out of one of the more restrictive states ? And left the non producers behind with the nanny state politicians ?

scootrd · « **Reply #2 on:** June 20, 2013, 09:41:13 AM »

IBM Just whacked as of last week over 500 Jobs at RTP (Raleigh - Durham) Wonder how many are left at the facility.
Hudson Valley lost over 700, and a grand total of about 3, 000 across all US, and they are still not done.

IBM is not unique,

The trend is not north to south - its from US to abroad wherever they can exploit cheep labor , environmental , tax avoidance etc.. The jobs that are staying in US are staffed more and more from H1B grants that allow corps to import the cheep labor from overseas and pay them less while claiming they could not find an american to fill the U.S position. Again to avoid paying a decent wage even in the U.S.

Best place to open a business - me thinks Caymen Islands (well a p.o. box at anyways. )

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #3 on:** June 20, 2013, 09:43:23 AM »

If you have the capital to start a business , WHY ? Just retire or wait until things get back to normal.

Larry L · « **Reply #4 on:** June 20, 2013, 10:47:30 AM »

Half are in Texas. And the communist media we have made loads of fun at Gov. Rick Perry during his Presidential run. That's quite alright, we want and love the man here in Texas where it doesn't matter how good you are in a debate. What matters is what you are able to do and your track record. He's been a blessing and you can expect to see more and more businesses moving to Texas. Now if we could just figure out a way to keep the liberal crap out.

ChungDoQuan · « **Reply #5 on:** June 20, 2013, 12:42:54 PM »

Draconian labor laws have something to do with this. And ask yourselves, better for whom? Certainly not the workers...

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #6 on:** June 21, 2013, 02:43:18 AM »

Quote from: ChungDoQuan on June 20, 2013, 12:42:54 PM

Draconian labor laws have something to do with this. And ask yourselves, better for whom? Certainly not the workers...

So what laws are you implying ? Most laws that effect labor are quite new in the scheme of things.

Larry L · « **Reply #7 on:** June 21, 2013, 05:32:18 AM »

You mean Texans aren't being held for ransom by the union thugs. Yes, we have open shop here. For the unknowing, that means as a Texan you're able to do what you want for a living and no outside interference from thugs is tolerated. No arm breaking tactics to embezzle money from you, just this thing called FREEDOM. Might work on the folks up north as they apparently are sheeple anyway. But down here, we truly believe in FREEDOM. Might try it at home sometime, it's a good thing.

ChungDoQuan · « **Reply #8 on:** June 21, 2013, 12:30:40 PM »

No argument there. Y'all are FREE to work for as little as you want. Y'all are also FREE to be refused food stamps when that's not enough to live on.

Larry L · « **Reply #9 on:** June 21, 2013, 01:46:54 PM »

Because of our FREEDOM here, Texas is dead ass last in food stamps issued by state. Yepper, we are dead ass last. I guess we could be like the big union state of Michigan where over 20% of the population is on food stamps. Or possibly Maine where 18.6% of the folks are on food stamps.
Do you ever post from a perspective of intelligence or do you just negatively ramble on because it fits yer needs?

ChungDoQuan · « **Reply #10 on:** June 21, 2013, 04:09:40 PM »

Those figures might just mean the state government in Texas is mean as hell... Especially when something like 80% of food stamps recipients are single unemployed mothers.

Larry L · « **Reply #11 on:** June 21, 2013, 04:45:59 PM »

Like most any state, there are unwed, single mothers out there. But in Texas, we look at them a little different. Yeah, they made a bad lifes choice but it's the kids that are going to pay for her mistakes. So a lot of the businesses have FREE day care as part of the hiring package. Obviously not all offer it but enough do so that there are decent paying jobs for them. We also have state funded Adult Education Classes- I teach one class a year. It allows the single parent to go to school to learn a trade or a profession. The schools offer child care while the parent is in class. I teach residential and commercial structural component building methodology usually at ACCD Southwest Campus. I get very little sign ups for Tribology so it's a rare class if it makes. While no guarantees, the schools will help place the parent in a job that they have been trained for. Prospective employers find they get a far better and dedicated employee from our programs. Most never leave their original jobs as they are happy campers. Geez, all this and yet no union thug hanging over our head. We take care of our own here, that's part of being a Texan. Still need to find a way to keep libs out though.

Have you considered counseling? Might do yer attitude a world of good. I do counseling for the church we attend. Amazing the things that bother folks that once discussed seem to go away. You obviously are not a happy person. Might give it a try. Most church sponsored counseling is free. We are certified here to do it.

FWIW, if you live in Texas and want to help train these folks. Contact the local community college. They will help you get your teaching certificate. You need only life experience in an industry. No college diploma is required. If you are retired, this is a fabulous way to pass along your knowledge and help those young folks out to be self sufficient.

lakota · « **Reply #12 on:** June 21, 2013, 05:47:25 PM »

The nerve of you Texans offering day care with the expectation that the parent utilize that time to obtain job training in order to obtain gainful enployment! Racists!

ChungDoQuan · « **Reply #13 on:** June 22, 2013, 02:30:24 AM »

Jeese, lighten up!

I'm just pointing out that there could be more than one way to look at the statistics. The VA Hospital system, for example, brags that they use less pain medication than any other system in the country, even though they are the largest. On the one hand, that sounds like something they should be able to brag about--- on the other, it might mean they're simply undermedicating their patients. (I don't think that is true, but, from their claims and statistics, you could argue both sides.) A simple statistic does not mean a lot unless you know who gathered the data, how it was gathered and interpreted, and what was the intent. It helps to know that the VA always transfers their more serious acute cases to other hospitals, too.

Another example: New Mexico is the head injury capital of the world, bar none, in percentages AND in absolute numbers. (I got that statement from a Neurosurgery lecture.) Something like that, while obviously not something to brag about, is harder to "spin," though I guess you could argue that they have some of the most experienced Nuerosurgeons in the country.

I don't have anything against Texas, me being born in Tennessee, and all, (LOTS of Texans came from Tennessee!) but, it seems a little suspicious that one of the most populous states would be at the bottom in providing public assistance. Are there fewer poor people percentage-wise there than anywhere else?

lakota · « **Reply #14 on:** June 22, 2013, 03:13:26 AM »

It could be that Texas is more diligent in weeding out the people that dont need public assistance thereby ensuring that only those who truly need it are recieveing it. In my career I saw plenty of people recieveing public assistance who had not a damn thing wron with them other than Idontwannaworkitis. My friends 19 year old kid is one. He dropped out of high school at 17 because he is lazy. He sat around for 2 years bitching and moaning about how he needed money. He finally gets off his ass and gets a job. He works 2 weeks and decides working 40 hours a week just isnt for him.(his words). Him and his loser girlfriend, who also suffers from a severe case of Idontwannaworkitis, are currently working at getting public assistance. I have no doubt they will recieve it too. But I guess we owe them dont we? If it wernt for people like these 2 who sit on their asses all day wearing out furniture, the entire furniture industry as we know it could collapse.

ChungDoQuan · « **Reply #15 on:** June 22, 2013, 04:43:16 AM »

I'd be hesitant to judge everyone on assistance based on two teenagers. My own step son did pretty well the same thing, though he couldn't get public assistance. He ended up going into the Army, and did two stints in Afghanistan. Now that his priorities have been reset, he's back in school getting his degree. Not many people truly know what they want to do at 19. The young man you spoke of will likely not get on the dole, though he might get emergency food stamps for a couple of months. Is he disabled? Sure he's lazy--- almost all of them are at that age. He's also not a single mother.

BBF · « **Reply #16 on:** June 22, 2013, 04:57:13 AM »

Quote from: ChungDoQuan on June 21, 2013, 04:09:40 PM

..........
..................... Especially when something like 80% of food stamps recipients are single unemployed mothers.

That last part of your quote is the telling part. Single Mothers.

No fathers around or better yet husbands?
Were any married in the first place? What about child support from them or from the sperm donor if they even know who it was.
Birth control, Obama makes it available now costfree to the users.?

lakota · « **Reply #17 on:** June 22, 2013, 05:32:51 AM »

Quote from: ChungDoQuan on June 22, 2013, 04:43:16 AM

I'd be hesitant to judge everyone on assistance based on two teenagers. My own step son did pretty well the same thing, though he couldn't get public assistance. He ended up going into the Army, and did two stints in Afghanistan. Now that his priorities have been reset, he's back in school getting his degree. Not many people truly know what they want to do at 19. The young man you spoke of will likely not get on the dole, though he might get emergency food stamps for a couple of months. Is he disabled? Sure he's lazy--- almost all of them are at that age. He's also not a single mother.

I'm not judging based on 2 teenagers. During my career I saw countless cases of lazy adult males knocking females up and creating single mothers so they too would be housed for free and recieve free money every month. When I say my friend's kid and his girlfriend are "working" on getting assistance this is what I am talking about-another newly minted single mother who gets assistance thereby enabling Jr. to continue his lucrative career of ass sitting.

ChungDoQuan · « **Reply #18 on:** June 22, 2013, 11:32:34 AM »

It all boils down to the same thing: too much internet porn.

ironglow · « **Reply #19 on:** June 22, 2013, 02:24:14 PM »

Quote from: scootrd on June 20, 2013, 09:41:13 AM

IBM Just whacked as of last week over 500 Jobs at RTP (Raleigh - Durham) Wonder how many are left at the facility.
Hudson Valley lost over 700, and a grand total of about 3, 000 across all US, and they are still not done.

IBM is not unique,

The trend is not north to south - its from US to abroad wherever they can exploit cheep labor , environmental , tax avoidance etc.. The jobs that are staying in US are staffed more and more from H1B grants that allow corps to import the cheep labor from overseas and pay them less while claiming they could not find an american to fill the U.S position. Again to avoid paying a decent wage even in the U.S.

Best place to open a business - me thinks Caymen Islands (well a p.o. box at anyways. )

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

It is about like Manny said, red states are benefitting from the stupidity of the politicians of the blue states. Rick Perry just started an ad campaign here in NY State, telling entrepremeurs that if their startup is too costly and tax-ridden, along with being impossibly laden down with stupid regulations.... Y'all just come down to Texas !
Scoot bemoans that IBM just closed a plant in North Carolina... but somehow, he neglected to say just why..
It seems IBM was getting tired of being harassed by unions: http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2012/03/27/union-ibm-layoffs-total-1838.html

DDZ · « **Reply #20 on:** June 23, 2013, 01:39:26 AM »

If you look at cities that are the least business friendly, you will find cities that are at or near bankruptcy. Calif. is the least business friendly state, and they have many cities that are near bankruptcy. Bankrupt cities like New York, Baltimore, Chicago, San Diego, Las Angeles, San Fran. etc.. are all cities that are saturated with public unions, where these cities have to pay most of their budget in extravagant wages, and pensions. Its not big business that is a detriment to the workers. Its the corrupt unions that some think are protecting the workers, that are doing the damage.

ironglow · « **Reply #21 on:** June 23, 2013, 09:49:39 AM »

Quote from: DDZ on June 23, 2013, 01:39:26 AM

If you look at cities that are the least business friendly, you will find cities that are at or near bankruptcy. Calif. is the least business friendly state, and they have many cities that are near bankruptcy. Bankrupt cities like New York, Baltimore, Chicago, San Diego, Las Angeles, San Fran. etc.. are all cities that are saturated with public unions, where these cities have to pay most of their budget in extravagant wages, and pensions. Its not big business that is a detriment to the workers. Its the corrupt unions that some think are protecting the workers, that are doing the damage.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Couldn't have said it better!

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #22 on:** June 23, 2013, 10:40:13 AM »

Lakota,
There is no arguing with QDC.
He is a racist liberal that thinks people are too stupid to hold a job, that they are too temped by drugs to hold a job, that all companies hate their employees and want to pay them nothing and if they could work them 7 days a week 14 hours a day for a penny an hour.
Anything government does is great and anything private industry does is only to screw the people working there or the customer buying the service or product.
You can see by his replys that Food stamps are needed not new jobs that create higher wages. He never talks about the low taxes except to say that the lower the taxes the less the state offers peopel he thinks need help. But will never look at the flip side of the tax coin. The lower the taxes the lower the prices are on the shelf and the lower the taxes the more people have in their pockets ot spend generating more income all around. Creating new services and products as people have $ to spend. With higer wages and lower prices due to lower taxes maybe those people do not need help and if they do not need the help they may be too proud to take it.
The same with the VA. The may medicate enough, but their patients are people of action and are not willing to sit around druged out of their mind wanting to be taken care of, instead find other forms of pain relief and managment.
But QDC thinks that all fathers are dead beats, that the single mothers are there because the fathers racialy will not stay around instead of it being a society problem that the government has paid for bad behavior and then expects there to be less of it.
Once you understand the QDC is a racist that buys into the whole Liberal idea of brown and black people are stupid nad need ot be taken care of and that no matter what any company is bad and looking to screw everyone then you can understand arguing with him is futile and he should just be pittied for the way he sees life.

FPH · « **Reply #23 on:** June 23, 2013, 11:01:27 AM »

New Mexico is the head injury capital of the world, bar none, in percentages AND in absolute numbers.

So what is our % of motorcycle riders that are drunk and helmet less compared to other states? Pretty darn high I bet. Then there are the Indian reservations.....not PC but true none the less.

lakota · « **Reply #24 on:** June 23, 2013, 03:16:52 PM »

Quote from: mcwoodduck on June 23, 2013, 10:40:13 AM

Lakota,
There is no arguing with QDC.

I know. I should have known better. I stated in another thread that I would no longer read or argue his absurdity. I allowed myself to be baited in here on this thread, but I am done. It is absolutely pointless.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #25 on:** June 23, 2013, 03:26:37 PM »

Yea, At first I thought he was just misinformed and I would give facts, history and use real examples of how and where liberal nonsense has failed.
And I too keep getting sucked it to arguing with him. Some of the silly thinks he says that elude logic and common sense you just have to respond.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #26 on:** June 24, 2013, 02:06:38 AM »

Just say it any city with a large welfare base is a poor place to open a business unless it caters to govt. spending. Add a union shop dominance and it's strike two in many cases ( some unions are realistic though . mostly local ones ). Add the high cost of living and it may be strike three. Add a poorly run local govt and strike 4 . In reality any thing that causes taxes to go up or takes money out of the disposable income of citizens or elevates cost to business owners is poor for business.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #27 on:** June 24, 2013, 06:39:59 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on June 24, 2013, 02:06:38 AM

Just say it any city with a large welfare base is a poor place to open a business unless it caters to govt. spending. Add a union shop dominance and it's strike two in many cases ( some unions are realistic though . mostly local ones ). Add the high cost of living and it may be strike three. Add a poorly run local govt and strike 4 . In reality any thing that causes taxes to go up or takes money out of the disposable income of citizens or elevates cost to business owners is poor for business.

I'm not a huge sports fan but you only get 3 strikes and you're out in most games. And if you want to take this to a bowling metafor then a strike is a good thing,

(sorry - could not resist.)

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #28 on:** June 24, 2013, 07:00:43 AM »

DDZ · « **Reply #29 on:** June 24, 2013, 10:08:10 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on June 24, 2013, 02:06:38 AM

Just say it any city with a large welfare base is a poor place to open a business unless it caters to govt. spending. Add a union shop dominance and it's strike two in many cases ( some unions are realistic though . mostly local ones ). Add the high cost of living and it may be strike three. Add a poorly run local govt and strike 4 . In reality any thing that causes taxes to go up or takes money out of the disposable income of citizens or elevates cost to business owners is poor for business.

Also add all the federal and state regulations that a business must abide by, and its a wonder any of them want to do business in the states.

Not sure what heavy construction unions are like now, but I know 25-30 years ago the union brass wanted their members to work hard and not miss work. If you were a slacker you didn't have a job, and the union wasn't going to protect you. Not like public sector unions, where you have to commit a felony to be fired.