British 42-pounder 1844

[MKlein]

Does anybody have the barrel dimensions of this type of 42 pounder?
 


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[Zulu]

Skidmark,
Try looking here on page 217.  It is "Instruction For Heavy Artillery".  It is a Google free book.
Zulu
http://books.google.com/books?id=f2cDAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=instruction+for+heavy+artillery&source=gbs_book_other_versions_r&cad=2#v=onepage&q&f=false

[Bob Smith]

This might be useful:
McConnell D, British smooth-bore artillery: A technological study
http://www.sha.org/documents/research/Parks_Canada_Resources/British%20Smooth-Bore%20Artillery%20-%20English.pdf

[MKlein]

Thanks Zulu but I have 2 known dimensions that don't match that chart
Trunion diameter 7.25 and trunion length 6 inches
Could be a different year

[MKlein]

Wow, what an informative document Bob, Thanks! still looking at it. Some of the drawings are real fuzzy wonder if there is a better version out there.
 
I found 2 used hard copies at Amazon if anyone is interested
http://www.amazon.com/British-Smooth-Bore-Artillery-Technological-Study/dp/0660127504/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1372022287&sr=1-2&keywords=british+smoothbore+artillery
 
Thanks again for sharing Bob Smith!

[rivercat]

This might be useful:
McConnell D, British smooth-bore artillery: A technological study
http://www.sha.org/documents/research/Parks_Canada_Resources/British%20Smooth-Bore%20Artillery%20-%20English.pdf

Hi Bob, Have you already downloaded this ? for some reason I am unable to open the link any chance you can email me a copy I would be grateful.
steve

[MKlein]

Rivercat it is 46 MB probably too big to email.
 
Does anybody have Diagrams of Guns: A Set of Scaled Engineering Drawings of British Artillery Pieces in Service in 1853
by E.M. Boxer
This seems to be the source document for the drawings that get fuzzy when you zoom in to see the dimensions.
So I am still looking.
 
 

[Double D]

Ouch-do you want to buy one.  http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/094821614X/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used

[Bob Smith]

Sorry, I didn't download it completely because I have the book- it was still available until recently from Parks Canada for a very reasonable price. Might be worth checking with them to see it they have copies left.
Bob Smith

[A.Roads]

Does anybody have Diagrams of Guns: A Set of Scaled Engineering Drawings of British Artillery Pieces in Service in 1853
by E.M. Boxer

Yes I have a copy, if I get time tonight I'll look up the trunnion dimensions for you.
Adrian

[MKlein]

Does anybody have Diagrams of Guns: A Set of Scaled Engineering Drawings of British Artillery Pieces in Service in 1853
by E.M. Boxer

Yes I have a copy, if I get time tonight I'll look up the trunnion dimensions for you.
Adrian

Adrian the more info the better, The barrel should be real close to these dimensions. Looking for the full pattern/dimensions if possible of the British naval pattern.
 

 
Been looking everywhere but not much info out there. Are there different versions of this gun up to the 1860's?
Thanks for looking!

[clum sum]

Skidmark, a quick question howed You get that name?

[Double D]

Somebody here bought that book...I went back in to buy it this morning and it was gone!

[MKlein]

I sure didn't buy it with a federal furlough going on. Eating crackers and ketchup to get by.
 
Clum sum, That is what my laptop did when it came accross this site. My name is Mark so there ya go. The name Skidmark makes me laugh when I actually think about it. There are plenty of other colorful names here.

[A.Roads]

Been looking everywhere but not much info out there. Are there different versions of this gun up to the 1860's?
Hi Mark,  yes there were, McConnell, pages 58 - 61, has the best account.
Boxer lists three as being in service in 1853, they are 84, 75 & 67 Cwt.  The closest to your measurements is I believe the 42pr of 67 Cwt. Trunnion dia in all cases is 6.97" & trunnion length of all is 6.0".
Re your diameters   17.5 = 17.52  ;  19.125 = 19.3  ;  21.75 = 21.87
Re your lengths   30.375 = 29.74  ;  Center of trunnion from beginning of chase is 6.94 = very different to what you would have (your 30.375 length does not tally with your running measurements if I'm reading them correctly). A glance at your photo shows that your trunnion location measurements are well out, the trunnion shoulder is much closer to the chase than 8.25".

Please confirm the pattern you are after is 9' 6" long  (the other two patterns are 10') Note, length is measured from base ring to muzzle (it is not overall of cascabel etc)
Regards
Adrian

 
 
 
 

[MKlein]

Thanks Adrian
First I would like to keep this topic on the 84, 75 & 67 Cwt British 42-pounders and hopefully others will contribute to help surface all three patterns since it is hard to find stuff. I will be glad to draw all in .DWG format side by side but I need much more to go on. Adrian is the axis of the trunions below the centerline of the bore?
 
Second on another subject, Adrian has basically confirmed from my measurements of the Widow Blakey and the Adrians dimensions that the Widow Blakely is of a different 42-pounder pattern as described by Craig Swain in this story. http://markerhunter.wordpress.com/tag/widow-blakely/
 
"But concentrating for now on the Widow Blakely, the firm of Fawcett, Preston & Company secured British naval 42-pdr, of 57 cwt, smoothbore guns from Low Moor Iron Company. And it is important to note, these were likely not Royal Navy guns, but rather pattern guns produced by Low Moor and seconded for conversion."
 
Looks like Low Moor enlarged the trunions and moved them back to help counterbalance the reinforcing ring.

 
Now back to this topic