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To Cut or Not to Cut?
« on: June 30, 2013, 07:25:16 AM »
I recently purchased a RMEF 26" 35 Whelen rifle. The barrel seems muzzle heavy and slow to point. Would cutting two inches off help this any? I don't want to go any shorter than 24" since that would defeat any advantage it has over a std 22" barrel. Your thoughts?

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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2013, 07:32:21 AM »
seems like a lot of work for 2 inches


i would just get used to it  or cut to 20
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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2013, 08:06:50 AM »
i would just get used to it  or cut to 20

The Handi Gods would be real angry if I cut an original 26" bbl down to 20" with all the std 22" bbls available.  :-\

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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2013, 08:07:05 AM »
I would leave it alone, but I am used to a 32" BC barrel, and 32-42" barreled muzzleloaders, so even a 26" on most actions seems short to me.

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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2013, 08:11:26 AM »
i would just get used to it  or cut to 20

The Handi Gods would be real angry if I cut an original 26" bbl down to 20" with all the std 22" bbls available.  :-\

Thanks,  Dinny


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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2013, 08:13:55 AM »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2013, 08:17:03 AM »
I agree on the 26" barrels being heavy no matter what you do, add weight to the stock or use a lam stock and it's real heavy, use a syn stock and it's even more muzzle heavy!  :( I can only share the difference in 22" and 26" Whelens shooting 61.5gr RL15 behind the 225gr TSX, Matt Parliament averaged 2815fps in his 22" Handi, I averaged 2895fps with the same load in my RMEF, COL for my load was 3.460" which is considerably longer than what Barnes uses, and the data at the time prior to #4 manual publication was their recommended "up to 1.5gr over X-bullet data" in the #3 manual which is 60gr max, I don't recollect what Matt's COL was, but I believe we were both setting it at the recommended .050" off the lands. So cutting a couple inches off may not make a lot of difference.

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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2013, 08:38:14 AM »
 Rather than cut down on the length, why not have a gunsmith run the barrel in a lathe for a more aggressive taper. That way you obtain a better balance and keep that longer barrel. I wish H&R would offer more options in their barrels selection.

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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2013, 09:04:24 AM »
There are a couple issues to deal with in recontouring an H&R barrel, the forend stud must be removed and reattached for one, and since H&R barrels aren't stress relieved before contouring, slimming them down will open the bore up some, they're already ~.0005" larger at the muzzle than at the throat from the factory, making the bore larger for more of the bore's length could be detrimental to accuracy.  :-\

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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2013, 09:31:27 AM »
I'll probably just trim it a few inches and call it good. Shouldn't hurt it any.

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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2013, 09:56:04 AM »
If it were mine, I'd cut it to 18 inches and use a faster burning powder.  I really don't care if I loose some fps.  I can always use another rifle. The short barrel is more important to me.  They're just more fun to lug around and hunt with.

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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2013, 10:01:39 AM »
If it were mine, I'd cut it to 18 inches and use a faster burning powder.  I really don't care if I loose some fps.  I can always use another rifle. The short barrel is more important to me.  They're just more fun to lug around and hunt with.

Pete

Plus I could use the scrap piece for a pistol barrel someday.  ;D

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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2013, 11:17:29 AM »
Dinny, I like short rifles but the pistol idea
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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2013, 11:22:55 AM »
A 22" 35 Whelen barrel is available from H&R, the 26" barrel hasn't been made for a loooong time, cutting it would be akin to me rechambering my 7x64 Brenneke to 280 Improved which I got heck for even thinking it!!! :-[

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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2013, 11:53:35 AM »
Dinny,
You could have it fluted.  Depending on the flute depth as to how much weight loss thus balance change.  If interested, shoot a PM to fellow member FlemC1, he can give you the details. His gunsmith is VERY good and does fluting for a VERY reasonable rate.
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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2013, 12:09:15 PM »
A 22" 35 Whelen barrel is available from H&R, the 26" barrel hasn't been made for a loooong time, cutting it would be akin to me rechambering my 7x64 Brenneke to 280 Improved which I got heck for even thinking it!!! :-[

Tim

And hence my reservations.  I can't stretch a 22" bbl to 24" though.

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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2013, 12:14:56 PM »
You could have a 24" barrel rebored and chambered by JES for ~$240, lots of 24" barrels available for that.  ;)

Here's a smith that does fluting and his estimation of weight savings.

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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2013, 12:28:21 PM »
Tim,
  Why do you always have to be the voice of reason?  ;) ;D Fine, I'll keep it 26" and use it as a stand gun. :)

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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2013, 12:34:53 PM »
You could always sell it to some poor soul to finance another in 24". . .  O:-)

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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2013, 12:41:46 PM »
You could always sell it to some poor soul to finance another in 24". . .  O:-)

And break up the matched receiver?  Not a chance! I'll keep it as-is.

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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2013, 02:14:43 PM »
I had the same issue with my 26" .280 Rem. After looking at other manufacturers offerings (22" and 24") I  decided to go for 23". The rifle handles much better and accuracy is excellent. The overall lenght is about the same as a model 94 Winchester.

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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2013, 02:39:28 PM »
"Quick" is right!  "Please" don't cut that 26"!   :'(
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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2013, 02:51:35 PM »
Pete,
  It looks like I'm gonna need a secluded place to stay for a while if I cut this barrel. Know of any hidden cabins up there in the vast wilderness where I can lay low?  ;D

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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2013, 02:54:10 PM »
Longer barrel means more mass further out.  That means it will take more oomph to move it.  THAT's GOOD.  Stable.  (Hence more accurate.)

Add a muzzle break and get it up to 28" !!!
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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2013, 03:44:12 PM »
I vote to leave as is.
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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2013, 05:01:34 PM »
Dinny, I've been on vacation but I have to agree don't cut this one.  I searched far and wide for a RMEF gun and settled for a new one when the factory started putting them out again.  I think if you cut that one we might have to redefine our relationship. :'( :'( :'(
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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2013, 05:58:51 PM »
Tim,
  Why do you always have to be the voice of reason?  ;) ;D Fine, I'll keep it 26" and use it as a stand gun. :)

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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2013, 06:02:27 PM »
Is this a medium to long range heavy rifle, to be used to take large game that requires a high energy terminal ballistic performance,,,,,or is it a Quail gun ?? If you are talking Elk, Moose, Bear, you should have adequate time to shoot or you are doing something wrong, if you are snap shooting at deer in thick woods (which I don't recommend) you have the wrong weapon. Cutting down a 22 to 16.5 is fine in a cartridge that has the capability of loading with faster powder , where power and bullet velocity is not that important. A 35 Rem for example, also works fine in a pistol . The reason for a Whelan and not a 35 Rem is that you need the extra velocity for range and knock down power. I think of the Whelan as a 200 to 350 yard rifle for heavy game. If I were going shorter I would use a 444 or 45/70. Why choose a long cartridge and then deliberately diminish its capabilities by chopping the barrel ?? Or trying to compensate by jacking pressure and muzzle blast to reclaim some of the lost velocity ??
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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2013, 06:03:03 PM »
I say leave it as is.  Go to the gym and work out.  Pump some iron and pretty soon it won't seem to nose heavy...  ;D

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Re: To Cut or Not to Cut?
« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2013, 06:27:52 PM »
I say leave it as is.  Go to the gym and work out.  Pump some iron and pretty soon it won't seem to nose heavy...  ;D

Tony

I can still do 60 pushups in 2 mins using perfect form. I don't think that's the issue.  ;)

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