Well, I have lurked around the ASSRA forum, but have not found the courage to post there yet. I believe my lack of knowledge and intent might offend some of the more vocal posters there. I take no offense at your comments Jedman, have considered that same line of logic myself. If I were to do things that made sense I would listen more to my wife I suppose. Currently I have no money invested, only interest and some time. If it can be done reasonably in terms of safety and cost I will continue, but not otherwise. I have a safe full of great rifles, a shotgun etc....no need to stray too far afield in that regard. Still, the call of the wild, or at least different can be strong at times. The challenge of making something from nothing is always there also.