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3.6" Breech Loading Field Mortar
« on: February 04, 2014, 12:51:40 PM »
This past weekend I had the pleasure of helping transport, set up, and display this 1895 mortar for an event called Military History Fest, in St. Charles Illinois, at the Pheasant Run Exposition Center.  The gun is owned by friend Ken Baumann of Michigan.  It's an original gun and, and he fires it.  It's got about a 2 mile range with a 16oz. charge.  Elevation is gotten with a gunners level, like many guns, but the windage adjustment is unique, using a sliding scale at the back to accurately lay the gun in either the same position as the previous firing, or a new re-calibrated one. 

Much more information is shown here on page 131: http://books.google.com/books?id=JRhJAQAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=true

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Re: 3.6" Breech Loading Field Mortar
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2014, 01:02:45 PM »
A few more pictures.

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Re: 3.6" Breech Loading Field Mortar
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2014, 09:04:22 PM »
Don't suppose you could get him to make plans for that?  That and the 3.2 inch have interested me for a while.
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Re: 3.6" Breech Loading Field Mortar
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2014, 09:39:36 PM »
That's a great looking mortar. Thanks for sharing!
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Re: 3.6" Breech Loading Field Mortar
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2014, 04:03:51 AM »
Very nice! At what time did they begin to rifle mortar tubes, and why?
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Re: 3.6" Breech Loading Field Mortar
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2014, 04:15:50 AM »
I have wanted one of these for years there was one of these used for a memorial near where I used to live..... If I wasn't an honest man it would have disapeared  ::)  But then I'd have to live with the guilt......
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Re: 3.6" Breech Loading Field Mortar
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2014, 04:38:26 AM »
Do you have to wear those outfits to shoot it?  :o  2 miles wow!
 
Was it heavy?

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Re: 3.6" Breech Loading Field Mortar
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2014, 05:09:30 AM »
Don't suppose you could get him to make plans for that?  That and the 3.2 inch have interested me for a while.



You've probably found this already, but Modern Guns and Mortars has a drawing and description on page 131.

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Re: 3.6" Breech Loading Field Mortar
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2014, 05:14:18 AM »
I wonder if Dominick could make something like this?    ;)   ;)
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Re: 3.6" Breech Loading Field Mortar
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2014, 12:37:38 PM »
Just saw one on Gunbroker  Buy now is $12,500.
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Re: 3.6" Breech Loading Field Mortar
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2014, 12:57:23 PM »
Don't suppose you could get him to make plans for that?  That and the 3.2 inch have interested me for a while.

If you mean accurate measurements, I think he would do that.  He may have them already.  I'll ask.  Coincidentally, he also has a 3.2 which we will be showing next year along with the mortar at the same place.  Worst scenario is that I get the measurements myself next year, unless I see him and his mortar before then.  He shot it at Grayling once, a while ago, but doesn't bring it regularly, so I may not see it till next year. 

"Very nice! At what time did they begin to rifle mortar tubes, and why?"
Sorry, don't know when, but in the case of this one it's probably because it uses the same shell as the 3.6" rifle, and for accuracy of course.  Ken was telling me how they had problems with the fuses not working because the centrifugal force was not enough to "set" it upon firing.  There is a small flange, or connection, that has to break away internally on the fuse and the mortar just doesn't have the kind of starting force that the 3.6 rifle has. 

"Do you have to wear those outfits to shoot it?  :o  2 miles wow!
Was it heavy?"
I only have Civil War outfits.  That's why I'm taking the picture, and who you are seeing is Dave Donald on the left, and Ken Baumann on the right.  The mortar and carriage (they call it a carriage not a bed) is about 550 lbs.  The exact weights of the gun and carriage are in the link to the Modern Guns and Mortars book.  Ken bought a little hydraulic lifting table on wheels from harbor freight.  It pumps up to the exact level of the pickup truck bed when all the way up.  It wasn't too hard for all three of us to slide it on and off that way.  They let us drive all the way in the building so we didn't have to deal with the snow which would have made it a real bear. 

Another interesting thing he pointed out is that the carriage which as you can see is mostly the 2 cheeks and a few cross members connecting them is one single casting.  The most interesting thing to me is the way it can be accurately aimed with the sliding wooden scale at the back of the carriage. 




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Re: 3.6" Breech Loading Field Mortar
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2014, 08:49:13 PM »
Perhaps he could take the drawings in Modern Guns and Mortars and add dimensions to them instead of having to draw the whole thing.
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Re: 3.6" Breech Loading Field Mortar
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2014, 06:39:57 AM »
Perhaps he could take the drawings in Modern Guns and Mortars and add dimensions to them instead of having to draw the whole thing.

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Re: 3.6" Breech Loading Field Mortar
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Re: 3.6" Breech Loading Field Mortar
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2014, 08:41:39 AM »
Some detailed pics in this book at the end but no measurements.
 
Handbook of the 3.6-inch and 7-inch mortar carriages, model of 1895, for 3.6- inch field mortar, model of 1890
 
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Great find.  I don't think the owner has this either.  It would be a great thing to have along with the gun when displayed.