.30-06 vs .270

[Land_Owner]

I "lucked" into my 270 caliber Winchester Model 70 Classic Featherweight in '91.  I had just missed an opportunity for my first buck when it disappeared in a fog as I open sighted through a 30-30 Win. Model 94.  Without a scope for positive antler ID, I said "Enough of that!" and went to an Archery shop (of all places).  There, on consignment, was "my" Model 70, with Bausch & Lomb 3x9 scope, for $350.

[neckisred]

Added a pair of .270's to the herd this year. Dad's Winchester Model 670 that Mom bought him for Christmas in the early 70's, and a nice old Remington 760 that I got a deal on. Both are on the load development schedule this winter.

[Land_Owner]

I think the bottom line is shoot whatever suits you, the one that makes you the most confident, the one with the better accuracy - though that has its limit (I'll start another thread on that).

[Dee]

It ain't on the list of 2 but, I'll take a 25-06 over either.

[Lloyd Smale]

yup and if you handload a 150 can be pushed as fast as 130 factory 270 ammo and has about the same bc. If you go to a 130 the extra velocity a 06 will give you will make up for the lack of bc compared to the 270. Also a 150 is a heavy bullet in the 270 and is a light bullet in the 06. Most will agree that the 06 really shines with 165s and it has a better bc then a 150 270 and will shoot flatter. Want bc? theres match bullets for the o6, none for the 270. The 06 is right at home on large game like moose and bear with a 180. Many grizzlys have been taken with an 06. Not many will attempt it with a 270. Actually it will be right on the heals of a 300 H&H on large game making it MUCH more versitile for a one rifle man. Even on the light side of things theres lots of 100-120 grain 30 cal bullets and very few light 270s (bullet availability its why even the 280 leaves it in the dust for versitility) Shooting cast bullets? Again molds are much more available for the 30s and even the 7s. If you want you can even load it down to 3030 velocitys and use bullets (for the 3030) that are specificaly made for those velocitys. Truth of the matter the 06 wins this hands down. The 270 does NOTHING that the 06 cant do and cant do better. Im a big fan of the 280. But sure dont pretend its a better round then the 06. Just closer to the performance capability of an 06 then the 270 is. The odd ball caliber 270 really never caught on ohter then in the 270. sure we have the 270wby and the 6.8 but there certainly not setting sales records. The 280 is the round that should have caught on and the 270 should have died a quick death and would have if it weren't for blow holes like Jack O'Connor with his tweed jacket and pipe. About every other gun writer of the day despised him.

[Land_Owner]

I didn't pre-read the Jack O praises as an endorsement for the 270 caliber before owning one.  If my Winchester had been an 06, rather than a 270, I would perhaps be speaking 06 praises today.  As mine was found to be a 0.277" barrel on a Classic Featherweight frame (what do you know - there IS an 06 in Featherweight), I put my hands on the first available SCOPED RIFLE, a 270 Winchester, and never let go.

I won't be departing the South to hunt elk, caribou, rams, or bears.  My 270 fits my local need for hunting deer and hogs.  I cannot be convinced by bc, choices in ammo, bullet weights, or other caliber comparators, which I never experienced.  I'm all in for the 270.  For me, there is no further discussion.

Buy what you like, what is available, what you can lay your hands on, what makes you confident, and make that one gun your right hand - regardless of caliber.

[Lloyd Smale]

so what you have is an opinion based on emotion casting your vote for the best and mine is based ballistics and on actual fact. Like you did say though. Its your choice but it does make me chuckle that some think theres some kind of mystical magic in .270s. To me its allways been THE caliber for armatures that are trying to look like they know guns. But no doubt many animals have died by them so there sure not a poor choice for a deer rifle. Just never made sense to me when the 280 and o6 are just so much more versitile. If im going to step down from a 06 or 280 its going to be to a 25 cal like the 2506 or 257. They at least give flatter trajectorys and if recoil is an issue the 2506 shooting 100s has quite a bit less recoil then a 270 280 or 06. 270 was an answer to a solution to a problem that doesnt exists. It does nothing better then the others. but like you eluded too. If you like them buy one. Ive owned exactly two of them. bought them because they were such a deal i couldnt pass them up but to be truthful never shot either and they were both resold or traded within a month of picking them up. Up here probably 50 percent of the hunters in the woods have a model 700 bdl in 270 and a box of factory corelocks come the first day of season. Most still are using the box they bought 3 years ago. But there fast to brag that they were smart enough and experienced enough to buy them a real rifle not one of those antique 06s that grandpa used

[northwoodneil]

'06 all the way. It will take any game on this continent and in an emergency you can buy ammo at the gas station.

[Land_Owner]

Wrong again. My opinion is not based on amaturish use or emotion. Maybe emotion when I saw it on the rack. After all, it is a Winchester and in that a beautifully crafted rifle.

Since its purchase I have used it, shot out, accurized it, and taken hundreds of deer and 5X hundreds of hogs with it. Lately as you know, all neck shots.

You can be a machine and bloviate all "synthetic" about bc's and your favorites. I"ll keep my 270 and sleep just fine with my useful, accurate, and favorite caliber and rifle.

[Lloyd Smale]

ill let you have the last word. After all youve probably had more experience actually killing deer with that 270 then i have Heck i only killed 3 last night. Probably a slow day for you. Heck if i was so good as to only take neck shots id probably just need a 223. Use what you want but just remember the 270 is compared to the 06 not the other way around. Try as hard as it can and it comes up short in comparison. By now

[Land_Owner]

Not once have I said the 270 is better, more proficient, more accurate, better at killing, than the 30-06.  You bloviate just to hear yourself bloviate.

As I have said, use...

...what you like, what is available, what you can lay your hands on, what makes you confident, and make that one gun your right hand - regardless of caliber.

 

So, shut up and go shoot something.

[Lloyd Smale]

I do about every day and have for 50 years. How about you. Im stating facts its you that bloviating. Funny thing is about everyone in this posts agrees with me. Let me rephrase that. Not agreeing with me just smart enough to know the facts when there staring you in the face. So in fact all your saying is "the 270s is better because I LIKE IT" Little education for the slow. ITS NOT IN ANY WAY BETTER. NOT IN ONE TINY MINISCULE WAY! NONE NADA END OF DISCUSSION. Yup they will surely both kill deer but one stands out in versatility WAY more then the other. Your like the little boy was wrong and wont admit it. Maybe its you that might want to SHUT UP. I hope i didnt hurt your feelings bashing your favorite rifle. 

[Land_Owner]

No feelings hurt here.  I'd have to GAS about your opinion first.

[Lloyd Smale]

i actually respect you for those words as i dont give a rats ### about any ones opinion of me either. Some just cant handle the truth. Cant handle someone who has to be politically correct like some bleeding heart liberal. Or gets there little feelings hurt because someone proves them wrong. At least you manned up. 

No feelings hurt here.  I'd have to GAS about your opinion first.

[pastorp]

Now the moderators are fighting and arguing. And this is the kinder GBO. Who would a thunk it? 

[RaySendero]

Now the moderators are fighting and arguing.

Better question:

How does one get to be a moderator with no moderation skills at all?

[Land_Owner]

First, you volunteer.  The pay is $0.00 per hour for 24/7 effort.  Then you wade through the messes (here they're fairly few and far between), use the graces that God and your mother gave you, and try to be Civil to all.  That works most of the time but doesn't satisfy everyone all of the time.  If you've been here "long enough" you know us.  We know you.  Ordinarily, we get along.  Sometimes we rub one another the wrong way.  It happens.  Graybeard adjudicates in all cases of a tie.

[two-blocked]

I don't mess with them puny deer, it's elk or nuthin
Never had a 270 but did have a 7mm mag. One shot kills but seemed like it shot straight through everything
Then I got Nick Harvey's reloading book and bought into his big heavy bullet theory
Now hunt with a 30-06 with a 220 gr. RN 

[Lloyd Smale]

yup and your opinions on the subjects your moderate have to be respected by the owner of the fourm as do you. Ive got not a thing against land owner. Usually we agree. this time we dont. What we dont need is trouble makers trying to turn us against each other or questioning the management for who they chose to moderate. If your doing that ill ask you this. Did bill ever ask you to moderate here? I didnt think so.

First, you volunteer.  The pay is $0.00 per hour for 24/7 effort.  Then you wade through the messes (here they're fairly few and far between), use the graces that God and your mother gave you, and try to be Civil to all.  That works most of the time but doesn't satisfy everyone all of the time.  If you've been here "long enough" you know us.  We know you.  Ordinarily, we get along.  Sometimes we rub one another the wrong way.  It happens.  Graybeard adjudicates in all cases of a tie.

[Lloyd Smale]

says one of the only two moderators ever here to be booted off that position. At least the other one was asked to moderate again later. First thing you have to learn about being a moderator is it doesn't make you a God that controls a section or a post. Your there in case rules are broke. Not to push your own agenda. I have my opinions and post them. What i dont do is use that power to further my agenda. In the near 20 years ive been a moderator here i think ive actually had to take action 3 times. In that 20 years ive been raked across the coals by people like you endlessly and ask yourself if i ever moderated you? Moderators have the same freedom of speech on here anyone else does and aren't even moderators or any power what so ever in any section they aren't assigned to. You know that and so does sendero. So quit trying to stir up crap on here. If land owner and i have a disagreement its none of anyone elses business. Were big boys and can handle our own selves. We dont need hecklers and cheerleaders and guys who take shots at every oportunity even if there not even involved in that post.  THAT is what needs to end on this forum if theres to be peace. That is the thing that more then anything turned dee and myself against each other. The gang of wanabe hangeroners that just want to stir up trouble. Guys that cant stand on there own two feet. 

Now the moderators are fighting and arguing. And this is the kinder GBO. Who would a thunk it? 

[pastorp]

says one of the only two moderators ever here to be booted off that position. At least the other one was asked to moderate again later. First thing you have to learn about being a moderator is it doesn't make you a God that controls a section or a post. Your there in case rules are broke. Not to push your own agenda. I have my opinions and post them. What i dont do is use that power to further my agenda. In the near 20 years ive been a moderator here i think ive actually had to take action 3 times. In that 20 years ive been raked across the coals by people like you endlessly and ask yourself if i ever moderated you? Moderators have the same freedom of speech on here anyone else does and aren't even moderators or any power what so ever in any section they aren't assigned to. You know that and so does sendero. So quit trying to stir up crap on here. If land owner and i have a disagreement its none of anyone elses business. Were big boys and can handle our own selves. We dont need hecklers and cheerleaders and guys who take shots at every oportunity even if there not even involved in that post.  THAT is what needs to end on this forum if theres to be peace. That is the thing that more then anything turned dee and myself against each other. The gang of wanabe hangeroners that just want to stir up trouble. Guys that cant stand on there own two feet. 

Now the moderators are fighting and arguing. And this is the kinder GBO. Who would a thunk it? 

Actually Lloyd I did just the opposite of what you acuse me of. I let everyone express their beliefs. That’s what Bill has asked me to do. All were free to participate. The Morums, Catholics, JWs, anyone. I did not censure anyone unless they broke the rules. Dee, and several others did not like that, free expression and tried to run off everyone that they deemed wrong doctrinally. If your honest you will remember I gave you and others the right to state your beliefs.

It was only after I was no longer the moderator that I spoke about the differences in doctrine. And of course you were not willing to grant me the same privileges that I gave you when I was moderator. So we clashed. You wrote reams of name calling etc that went unchallenged by administration.

If your honest you will half to admit what I’m saying is the truth.

[Lloyd Smale]

let the tears and self pity flow like some bleeding heart liberal. MAN UP! You came to this thread like you do to about all of them and added nothing to the conversation that was on topic. Just came to stir crap. Same Byron different day. If you have an opinion on the 06 vs 270 lets hear it. If you just want to bash go away!! Quit trying to blame and hold a grudge against dee and my self because of your inadequacy's. Differnce in me and you is I dont take this crap personaly. When is the last time i out of the blue attack you like you did here? Theres only one man on this forum that id like to give a "tuning" to and its not you, its not dee and its not ironglow. Its a bull headed stupid relative of a horse. What you did here today he does daily. So chill out and get the block off your shoulder.

says one of the only two moderators ever here to be booted off that position. At least the other one was asked to moderate again later. First thing you have to learn about being a moderator is it doesn't make you a God that controls a section or a post. Your there in case rules are broke. Not to push your own agenda. I have my opinions and post them. What i dont do is use that power to further my agenda. In the near 20 years ive been a moderator here i think ive actually had to take action 3 times. In that 20 years ive been raked across the coals by people like you endlessly and ask yourself if i ever moderated you? Moderators have the same freedom of speech on here anyone else does and aren't even moderators or any power what so ever in any section they aren't assigned to. You know that and so does sendero. So quit trying to stir up crap on here. If land owner and i have a disagreement its none of anyone elses business. Were big boys and can handle our own selves. We dont need hecklers and cheerleaders and guys who take shots at every oportunity even if there not even involved in that post.  THAT is what needs to end on this forum if theres to be peace. That is the thing that more then anything turned dee and myself against each other. The gang of wanabe hangeroners that just want to stir up trouble. Guys that cant stand on there own two feet. 

Now the moderators are fighting and arguing. And this is the kinder GBO. Who would a thunk it? 

Actually Lloyd I did just the opposite of what you acuse me of. I let everyone express their beliefs. That’s what Bill has asked me to do. All were free to participate. The Morums, Catholics, JWs, anyone. I did not censure anyone unless they broke the rules. Dee, and several others did not like that, free expression and tried to run off everyone that they deemed wrong doctrinally. If your honest you will remember I gave you and others the right to state your beliefs.

It was only after I was no longer the moderator that I spoke about the differences in doctrine. And of course you were not willing to grant me the same privileges that I gave you when I was moderator. So we clashed. You wrote reams of name calling etc that went unchallenged by administration.

If your honest you will half to admit what I’m saying is the truth.

[RaySendero]

270 WCF is and has been named the best all around cartridge for deer.

[Mule 11]

I like them both. They are the same case and have the same volume. The 30 has a better bullet selection and the 28 has less push on the shoulder. I like them both...

[Lloyd Smale]

pray tell by who. Guys at your hunting camp? I did a bit of searching and the 3030 and 06 dominate the polls for the best deer cartridge of all time. The 270 and 308 are usualy 3rd and 4th but not always in that order. Ammo sales?? Just about every poll will show 556 and 308 in the lead because the black guns just eat ammo. 3rd is about always and 06. Obviously your privy to some stats the rest of us arent. 

270 WCF is and has been named the best all around cartridge for deer.

[Mule 11]

It depends where ya get your information. Could not help but notice you did not post your source. Again yet accuse others of the same.

[Mule 11]

The 270 and 308 are far better cartridges then the thuddy thuddy. But of course that is not what matters. Denigrating is what matters right?

[Lloyd Smale]

thread did one thing. It got me to take the old 06 that's my favorite rifle and stick it in the truck for crop damage shooting last night. Score? 3 deer from 200-300 yards all folded on the shot. Nothing flashy no high bc or a buck a piece premium bullets. No tweed jacket and pipe needed. Just good old 150 interlocks. Wonder how many your internet expert shot last night?? Guess if you really want to see what the internets experts that have killed maybe 50 deer in there lives at best your going to have to do a search. If you come up with something that flys in the face of what i posted feel free to straighten me out because how does killing hundreds of deer qualify my opinion as valid if i dont write for a magazine or have you tube following or I cant show you with a calculator.  Some post real world experiences and some post someone else's. Then there's those like you who just post to stir the pot and attack. Some walk the walk some talk the talk. The internet is full of the later and some of them dont even use there mouth!