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Nevada county to charge for jail meals.
« on: February 08, 2014, 06:36:35 AM »
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/02/08/nevada-county-plan-to-charge-inmates-for-jail-meals-draws-lawsuit-threat/?intcmp=latestnews
          Nevada county's plan to charge inmates for jail meals draws lawsuit threat Published February 08, 2014 Associated Press     
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  RENO, Nev. –  A Northern Nevada county is moving ahead with what may be a first-in-the-nation plan to charge county jail inmates for food and medical care, despite objections from the American Civil Liberties Union that it's cruel and unusual punishment and could lead to a court battle.
 
The Elko County Commission on Wednesday approved Sheriff Jim Pitts' proposal to charge inmates $6 a day for meals, $10 for each doctor visit and $5 for initial booking into the jail, a move he says will save county taxpayers millions of dollars a year.
"Why should the people of Elko County pay for somebody else's meals in jail?" said Commissioner Grant Gerber, a backer of the plan who thinks the fees should be higher.
 
Tod Story, executive director of the ACLU Nevada, said that depending on how indigents and others who can't afford the fees are treated, the county could be in for a legal fight over the edict to prisoners that there is no free lunch.
"I was aghast that anyone was even thinking of doing this," he told The Associated Press. "It is unconstitutional — cruel and unusual punishment."
"There is no value in trying to punish them further than the sentence that they are already serving," Story said.
Pitts said it costs about $85 per day per inmate to cover the costs of food, services, housing and utilities at the facility with a capacity of 120 — a total of about $10,000 daily.
 
"We're not the Hilton," he told the Elko Daily Free Press, which first reported approval of the plan on its website Thursday. "These guys shouldn't have a free ride."
While it's not uncommon in some states for counties to charge inmates a small fee or copayment for medical care, National Sheriff's Association operations director Fred Wilson said he's not aware of any charging for meals.
In Arizona, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, famous for his crackdowns on illegal immigration and tough jail policies, has discussed the idea and is still considering it, but he hasn't instituted it, sheriff's spokesman Christopher Hegstrom said Friday.
"Elko has never been afraid of being first," Gerber told the AP.
 
Under the new policy, Elko County inmates will be exempt from the fees if they work at the jail or are incarcerated for less than 24 hours. Inmates ultimately found innocent will be reimbursed.
In the coming weeks, the fees will be deducted from an individual inmate's commissary account, where family and friends can deposit money for the inmate to order items such as candy, shampoo and envelopes.
Those with no money would see their account accrue a negative balance, and that balance would remain in the event the inmate was released but later returned to jail for whatever reason.
 
"It has nothing to do with them getting out of jail, but if they ever come back with any money, that will be applied to what they owe us," Pitts said Friday. "All I'm doing is taking my cut first, before they buy their candies. They need to pay for their food first before they get their dessert."
Pitts said the fees for doctor visits are necessary to help combat an increase in the number of inmates who appear to be faking illnesses.
 
"Once they hit our jail, they're sick. And then when they get into the cells they talk to each other," Pitts told the commission. "They say, 'Oh, you got aspirin for that? Or you got a prescription for that?' So everyone in that cell ... (claims to have) the same disease."
Story said the fees for food likely are more vulnerable to legal challenge than charging for doctor visits.
"Some jails charge a very minimal copayment for medical services, but it's based entirely on an inmate's ability to pay, or capacity to pay," he said. "But the food is not even a question. Once somebody has entered into the system, they become the responsibility of the state."
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Re: Nevada county to charge for jail meals.
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2014, 04:50:23 AM »
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 Once somebody has entered into the system, they become the responsibility of the state."
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Maybe that is what needs to change. Every individual should learn to be responsible for himself. Might keep more out of jail. ear
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Re: Nevada county to charge for jail meals.
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2014, 05:44:23 AM »
 
 
If you take away my ability and freedom to earn an income you are then responsible for my basic needs.
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Re: Nevada county to charge for jail meals.
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2014, 12:42:30 PM »

 
If you take away my ability and freedom to earn an income you are then responsible for my basic needs.

 
If you were earning an income, paying your bills, and obeying the law there's a high probability you would NOT be in jail. POWDERMAN.  :D :D
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Re: Nevada county to charge for jail meals.
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2014, 05:31:10 PM »
I recall seeing several posts here in regards to people being arrested in error.
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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2014, 05:33:22 AM »
I worry that this type of thing could lead to abuse where some unwarranted arrests might be used to increase jail revenues.  Maybe jails should figure out a cheaper menu and more bare-bones accommodations.
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Re: Nevada county to charge for jail meals.
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2014, 07:09:51 AM »
A friend is a jailer in Minn and says inmates are charged for everything. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2014, 11:01:55 AM »
Here in Va. if you are in jail and on work release you pay both room and board. Great idea.
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2014, 11:09:18 AM »
Charging them for their processing and meals only affects their relatives and friends.  Face it, most criminals aren't rich.  Put them in jail and they become in effect a ward of the county.  The county should pay for their meals and such.  Other wise, HOW is a criminal supposed to get the money to pay the bill?  I mean... if my kid goes to jail, he won't be able to work... now the state is punishing me by making me pay so he can eat.
 
The other possibility is a work detail.  We will credit your account with $3.00 per hour of hard labor... now that would work.  They could sit in their cell and do nothing if they have the money to pay the bill OR they could get out and work for the county to off-set the bill.
 
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Re: Nevada county to charge for jail meals.
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2014, 04:07:39 AM »
In Kansas the state prison system pays a working inmates .40-$1.05 A DAY depending on the job.
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Re: Nevada county to charge for jail meals.
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2014, 04:22:56 AM »
In Kansas the state prison system pays a working inmates .40-$1.05 A DAY depending on the job.
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That falls far short of the Federal Minimum wage laws just recently passed. ;)
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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2014, 04:30:42 AM »
Charging them for their processing and meals only affects their relatives and friends.  Face it, most criminals aren't rich.  Put them in jail and they become in effect a ward of the county.  The county should pay for their meals and such.  Other wise, HOW is a criminal supposed to get the money to pay the bill?  I mean... if my kid goes to jail, he won't be able to work... now the state is punishing me by making me pay so he can eat.
 
The other possibility is a work detail.  We will credit your account with $3.00 per hour of hard labor... now that would work.  They could sit in their cell and do nothing if they have the money to pay the bill OR they could get out and work for the county to off-set the bill.
 
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With all due respect I don't want to see my tax money feed anyone's child who broke the law. Maybe they should have had better home training .
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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2014, 10:39:28 AM »
 
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I recall seeing several posts here in regards to people being arrested in error.
         You must have missed the part where it said that if they were found not guilty, then they would be reimbursed.
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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2014, 10:23:06 AM »
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In some ways, I agree with you... however in some I don't.  I SURE don't like paying EXORBITANT costs per inmate per year.  I am OK with small costs because that is the system we have set up over hundreds of years.  It is only right that if we take someone's freedom away and his or her ability to earn a living, then we make sure they have the means to continue to live.  We don't put someone in prison for 2 years just to watch them starve to death in 18 months.  The minimum payments per day for working in some state institutions are not enough to pay for food for a man for a day.  So you are back to starving them.  I shouldn't be punished for my son or daughter's transgressions.  Are we back to a "debtors prison" system where you have to stay until your family can buy your freedom?  We pay taxes, part of those are supposed to pay for the imprisonment and upkeep of felons.  Part of those taxes pay for schools.  I pay for other people's kids to go to school, mine are homeschooled but I don't get a break on taxes.  I don't like it but it is the way we pay for that service.
 
I agree that they should have had better home training... but sometimes home training just doesn't take.  There are kids out there that NO MATTER what, they are going to do stupid stuff.  They almost HAVE to.
 
I guess if we aren't going to pay for their food, clothing and shelter, we could just kill all criminals regardless of offense?  If you don't pay for them and can't kill them... how do they live in prison?  What solution do you suggest?
 
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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2014, 12:22:11 PM »
no guns here, I don't see where ANYONE (including the news story) said that they would not feed prisoners who could not pay.  Well, except of course, for you.  Also, I didn't see where ANYONE said that the relatives of the prisoners would have to pay.  Well, except of course, for you.  By taking an absurd stance that makes up absurd situations, you make your arguments just look silly.
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