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My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« on: February 09, 2014, 10:11:12 AM »
For some reason, "survival" firearms have always fascinated me. I'm not one who believes the world is going to end and we are going to end up in a mad max-style society or even one where society is over and we all have to go back to a live-off-the-land-or-die type lifestyle BUT it sure would be fun to make a handi that would fit the bill ;D

So I am going to build a handi rifle with a survivor stock and need your input. My particulars: the largest semi-dangerous game in my area (besides the roving bands of mauraders/zombies)are hogs, most shots will be 100 yards or so but an occasional poke out to 200 or so could be in the cards, I want the ability to have both irons AND optics (aftermarket irons are ok as long as I can keep them on the rifle at the same time as my scope is mounted.

I would like your suggestions as to caliber, barrel length, optics, slings, "survival" kit to keep in/on the gun, and anything else you can think of.

Remember, this is just a fun (and maybe a bit tounge in cheek) project, so let me know your ideas to keep this fun and lighthearted.

If you want to turn this into a zombie-handi in honor of the new season of TWD beginning tonight then feel free!

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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2014, 10:26:56 AM »
WELCOME!!!

I LOVE TWD... its one now in the background. ;)

I have had a couple Survivor stocks. LOVE the idea, the application I find lacking... I actually just bought a set here and mounted it and promptly removed and re sold it!!  :o :o :o I will use a Handall, MUCH more comfortable but not so much storage or as easy to get too... Working on that. ;)

I have a 22VP barrel, teamed with a 12 & 20Ga peep site barrels on one receiver as mine.

FUN project! Be sure to post pics and commentary. We love pics here.

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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2014, 10:50:45 AM »
I have two h&r's set up as survival guns.   One is a 20 gauge.  The second one is a .45/.410.   What they have in common is fire starting material, a poncho, a space blanket and additional shells.    The 20 gauge has a .357 insert for the barrel and additional 20 gauge and .38 special rounds stored in the stock.   Both have slip on shell holders.   The survival blanket is slipped between the holder and the stock on one side whilst the poncho is on the other side.  This is nice as it adds thickness to an already skinny stock.   the .45/.410 has various .410 bore shot shells stored in the stock.  000 buck and #4 and #6 shot.  There is no need for slugs as the .45 long colts are better that the .410 slugs.   The additional shells and equipment add just enough weight give better balance to each gun.    Both guns have a some kind of blade.  I have a Bear Grylls folding knife stored in handle of the .45/.410.   I have small survival blades stored in the 20 gauge.   

The .45/.410 has fishing gear stored in forend.   I don't have a storend on the 20 gauge.  I have one of those round ATI forend.   

The .45/410 is tasked as a landlubber survival gun.  The 20 gauge is tasked as an anti-pirate boat gun.  I will post pictures when my new phone arrives.     

 


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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2014, 11:35:56 AM »
Not sure on the power needed to kill a already dead person but the 357max comes to mind 4 power levels 357 max  360 dw  357mag 38 special  cheap ammo cheap to reload and if a 38special will stop the undead you can get buy pretty cheap and save the max loads for the hogs unless they are zombies hogs then you need a 45/70 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D   
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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2014, 12:40:13 PM »
I have a .357 set up on a survivor stock and it just so happens that all my .357 barrels will lock up on that frame as well as my 20 gauge. I don't really have it set up yet but I know it would include fire stating stuff, fishing stuff, extra ammo, space blanky, poncho, bandanna, and some small first aid stuff.

Maybe I will work on that in this lousy weather some. :)
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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2014, 01:01:48 PM »
Hmmm, I read about the "ultimate" survival long gun a few years back in The Backwoodsman.  Taking a page from history, the smooth bore flintlock musket was the do everything ok nothing great must have for the frontier.  Natives would use them, settlers hunted with them, and military fought wars with them.


Fast forward to today, well the 20th century, and the single barrel shotgun is the modern day musket.  12ga rules, but I would like a 16ga.  I want mine smooth bore but with sights, like the Slugger.  And a 26-28 inch barrel.  Not too long and very handy.  Switch from ball to birdshot, can take anything on the planet.


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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2014, 01:04:17 PM »
But with this being a rifle thread, I would take a Super Light 243 and have it rebored out to 357 Max.  38spec to 357max loads.  Light weight and strong.  That is if the SL frame can take such a reboring.  But one can dream.


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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2014, 01:21:31 PM »
I have been on a similar quest and have turned over in my mind all the various setups a hundred times.  My concept differs slightly in that I consider mine a "homestead gun" of sorts and meant to be cheap to feed, effective, versatile and easy to acquire components for and to cast and reload for. There are a lot of cartridges that would do well in terms of performance, but logistical considerations have to come into play as well as versatility in terms of utility loads.  I've done this dance with the .357 Max, 7.62x39, .223, 30-30, .44 Mag,....  These are all compromises one one end of the spectrum or the other - or both, but for ONE rifle, there will be compromises which must consider each individual's perceived condition.

For where I am and what I need to do, I consider the .357 Mag to be the best combination of compromises.

Even though I have never been a huge fan of the .357 mag as a handgun round, there is little to dispute in its performance, popularity and portability.  I cannot deny its due as a big player in the handgun.

When I started using it in a carbine, it got really interesting. 

Bear in mind that these points are based on my own personal experience and where I live, what I think I need to do - my situation, my condition.  They may not be the same for everyone and I am not listing all  the details of all conditions under which each point makes sense to me, and, yes, other cartridges share many of these points.  These are all relative statements and I am not arguing against any other choice.

Brass has been easier to find and cheaper than other cartridegs I have considered;
I have a big bag of .38 Spl. brass form when no one wanted it;
Brass seems to last a long time without trimming or annealing;
Mixed headstamps have never caused me any problems at all;
Ballistically, it should be "enough" for deer if that situation/opportunity were to arise;
It is about the easiest thing to cast for and I have cast for a lot of stuff much bigger and much smaller;
Gas checks are not even necessary even with top loads (but I can make them if I have to);
It does not require large amounts of lead for wide range of useful weights of bullets;
A very wide variety of bullet mould weights and shapes are available and I have several already, mostly LEE, which are inexpensive;
Tumble lube is effective even at the higher velocities of which it is capable;
Sizing bullets, especially the TL type is seldom required - seems more forgiving than smaller calibers in this respect;
It is not particularly fussy about the alloy or hardness I use;
Shoots even imperfect bullets quite well;
Reloading is quick, easy and requires no case lube with carbide dies - if you need to size the case at all, like with light loads;
It is actually difficult to come up with a poor load - accuracy is usually at least very good and can be excellent;
The variety of powders suited to it is very large and one is bound to have something that will work in it;
Does not use a lot of any of these powders;
I can use small pistol or small rifle primers, and I use only small rifle primers anyway;
A somewhat lower end of optimum diameter bullet for non-expanding projectiles;
I can get a bunch more of these in my pocket than most other rounds I have considered;
Recoil is negligible and I am a consummate recoil whimp (neck injuries);
It's cheap enough/easy enough on the lead stash that I can still "play"/practice a little and it IS fun to play with;
It comes in some very lightweight, portable and handy carbines;
Anyone in my household can shoot it well and with confidence;
Is suitable to regular sights for the distances I feel comfortable shooting it;
Very much at home with low-powered scopes or red-dots;
I can shoot it off-hand at up to a hundred yards and hit a rabbit-sized target;
I could probably shoot it 25 or 50 yards beyond that with a rest and practice.

It may not be the best for elk and it may not be practical for a four-hundred yard coyote shot, but one could lay down some very disconcerting cover fire with it if pressed to do so.  The 30-30 is probably a "better" round for dedicated deer hunting and the 223 is certainly much better for a dedicated varmint round, but I consider the .357 Mag to be the best combination of compromises.

I dearly love my custom Mausers in bottle-necked, long-range chamberings, but I have to give the nod to the .357 mag. for this usage category.








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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2014, 01:21:58 PM »
For some reason, "survival" firearms have always fascinated me. I'm not one who believes the world is going to end and we are going to end up in a mad max-style society or even one where society is over and we all have to go back to a live-off-the-land-or-die type lifestyle BUT it sure would be fun to make a handi that would fit the bill ;D

So I am going to build a handi rifle with a survivor stock and need your input. My particulars: the largest semi-dangerous game in my area (besides the roving bands of mauraders/zombies)are hogs, most shots will be 100 yards or so but an occasional poke out to 200 or so could be in the cards, I want the ability to have both irons AND optics (aftermarket irons are ok as long as I can keep them on the rifle at the same time as my scope is mounted.

I would like your suggestions as to caliber, barrel length, optics, slings, "survival" kit to keep in/on the gun, and anything else you can think of.

Remember, this is just a fun (and maybe a bit tounge in cheek) project, so let me know your ideas to keep this fun and lighthearted.

If you want to turn this into a zombie-handi in honor of the new season of TWD beginning tonight then feel free!

Did you see my shotgun threads along this ''survival'' genra

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/hr-shotguns/a-20ga-shorty/

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/hr-shotguns/my-version-of-a-survival-410-ptii/

You may find it interesting.

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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2014, 01:56:51 PM »
if you're going to anticipate a 100-200
yard shot, you'll want some kind of
caliber with some juice. before you
put money in a survivor stock, i'd advise
shooting a rifle of decent size equipped
with one. when they first brought that
stock out i bought one and installed it on a handi
i had at the time. it's neat looking and
feels good and points well, it just doesn't
give any help toward dissipating recoil.
it's about like (to me) shooting a h&r
single shotgun with no buttplate or
recoil pad. the hollow stock is too loud
for my taste also. i fully realize and
understand many folks have them and
are fully satisfied with them. it's just
something to consider before you invest.
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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2014, 02:44:55 PM »
OK here's what I got going...now of course all this would be mute in a real ZOMBIE apocalypse but its just fun..OK..
Sb2 frame..survivor stock..18.25" 12ga with removable chokes..paired with a 16.26" 223 barrel.  That's what I have so far...Both barrels need some open sights installed...the plan is to pick up a 22lr and 9mm rifled inserts for the 12..also 20ga and 410 adaptors..might as well throw in 1 of those 212 primer 12 ga adaptors too.  The stock already has firestarter and other survival stuff.  The stock is wrapped in orange camo paracord for some cordage and less tactical more friendly hunting look.  I think that would cover some of the most popular and plentiful calibers out there for resupply...of course if real "zombies" come knocking Mr. AR, SIG, and 870 would answer.

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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2014, 03:04:01 PM »
I don't know, my present bugout set (pump 12ga, ar, and 1911) doesn't include one of my handi's.  My thought for my handi is a cash gun.  12 ga short barrel with a choke set.  Not going to get the 200 yard smack down though.  As this is a rifle forum I would go for the 308 in a short barrel.  Would have to work out the open sights, but that would not be that hard.  I seem to remember someone with a long rail mount, you could go with sights on the mount not a long sight radius but for long shots you would want the scope anyway. A simple ammo belt from Blackhawk or Allen would carry ammo and anything else you need.  Swing the belt around your waist and grab the rifle.  That would answer the question, but at the end of the day and zombies, muraders, and hoards of generally bad people out there not sure I want to reload after each shot.
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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2014, 03:05:49 PM »
Sorry guys but my "ultimate" survival weapon is not a handi, it is a custom Savage 24V with 18"barrels 357 max over a 20 ga 3"with screw in chokes if that doesn't work I am calling in the Marines or Air Cav ::)
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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2014, 03:18:35 PM »
Make mine a M2. I'd save the 30cal accelerators for small game. :D

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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2014, 04:05:07 PM »
I didnt want to taint the thread with my opinion from the beginning, but I was leaning toward one of the light 223 barrels found on the youth rifles or going with a 357 barrel. I currently have the 308 survivor and, while itnis a good gun, it is not fun for me to shoot. I have a bushnell trs red dot and a nikon p223 3x scope both banging around pooking for a home.

I have never shot a handi in 223 or 357 but I would assume both are much more pleasant to shoot.

223 is obviously better for the 100+ yard shots but I assume most of my shots will be inside 100. I am going to guess this thing will be used more on the range plinking around than as my trusty post-apocalyptic boomstick.


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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2014, 04:26:52 PM »
ultimate survival handi


ammo compatibility with my carry gum.....357 MAGNUM
reamed to the MAX   gives me a little more range/power
38s  give me  quiet ammo


if not this.....12ga


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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2014, 05:07:59 PM »
I was thinking about making one in 22 lr. Survivor stock and foreend. I can carry lots of ammo.

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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2014, 10:30:07 PM »
Sorry guys but my "ultimate" survival weapon is not a handi, it is a custom Savage 24V with 18"barrels 357 max over a 20 ga 3"with screw in chokes if that doesn't work I am calling in the Marines or Air Cav ::)
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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2014, 01:54:04 AM »
When it comes to defense, I'm thinking shots under 50 yards.  That means shotgun to me.  Smooth barrels shoot single projectiles better then rifled barrels shoot shot.  Quess I would just take my 20 gauge and to make it a survival gun I would put a stock attached pouch for my ham and cheese sandwich.  Not worried about them zombies too much, however, I do watch TWD,

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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2014, 04:21:39 AM »
Exactly. Survival to me is under te radar. Anyone or anything more than say 50-100 yards is OUT of my safety zone.

Survival to me is small cAliber and then ONLY when absolutely needed as bullets are heavy and valuable commodity. If I'm gonna hump weight it will be food or water.

This is a lot of why I like the 22 mag so much. Plenty of HP for CLOSE large game with anchoring shots. Plus it's small and light enough to carry good supply. Shotgun much better defensive on large angry critters.

I would LOVE a 24V 357/20 or12. Maybe one day.

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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2014, 04:37:15 AM »
Survival.......? From what?
In the bush super-sonic ammo may be a lifesave for rescue, in a more 'not-politically correct' context sub-sonic would be best (actually snaring, spear and bow would be best). A noise signature can be triangulated upon within about 1yd. by cell phone tower sensors. Sub-sonic will help on that, but not eliminate it depending upon distance.
So for versatility, Im leaning toward the 357Mag/Max with some sub-sonic full wadcutter loads and a few HD loads and a 22LR insert barrel for the rifle or an accurate 22LR handgun.
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« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2014, 06:01:34 AM »
Did anyone see Wild west guns from Alaska show when the smith took a wood stock rifle and made a survival rifle out of it? He howled out the butt stock so survival items could be put inside.  . He then cut the butt plate for a door and a plate that would swing open under the butt plate. The banket he put under the barrel between the forarm. A dime was also in the kit to take the barrel off to get at the blanket. I would think this would work better than the exsisting survival stock. May not work on a heavy hitter, 223 or 357 may work ok. Zeak

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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2014, 06:18:42 AM »
I like the idea of a .45/410 with one of these barrel inserts in .22 lr.
You could order http://www.mcace.com/shotguninserts.htm several for different calibers for your 20 or 12 gauge.   The ultimate survival tool.
 
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« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2014, 04:41:24 PM »


A 30/30 with 168 grain pointy ballistic tips or partitions can take mule deer or pigs over 200 yards.


Load a bunch of light cast loads with bullseye, unique, or trailboss and have the best jack rabbit and grouse round that knocks em down better'n a rimfire without tearing stuff up.




Pack a lee loader and reload in the field.

Synthetic stock has a lot of room for a lawn trash bag (for shelter) wrapped around a survival tin kit so it won't rattle.


Here is a good one that looks like it might fit:


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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2014, 04:54:28 PM »
Mine is my .410 Slugger with .22 adapter.  This one is getting it's barrel tapped for choke tubes.  Sights are from a Rem. 597 and are metal.  I have the dot on the front sight filled in with Yellow to make it easy to follow like a bead for shot.  Going to carry a cylinder bore choke for shooting slugs and buckshot and will have full and modified chokes for shot usage.  I am also getting a .22 adapter to allow it to be used for close range small game hunting.  I am making my own slugs using once fired hulls and 41 Magnum bullets inserted backwards over cardboard wads.  I'm getting about 2" groups at 25 yards with the cylinder bore barrel and when all is said and done, using the adult Montecarlo stock gets me almost as much room as a survivor for ammo, but is much more comfortable to shoot.  I can fit (6) 2.5" slugs, (12) 3" shot shells and about 50 .22 shells into the stock.  Adds some weight, but means that even if I drop a bag, I've got some ammo.  8)  I can shoot the slugs through the modified choke also in an emergency, so I carry a couple in the shell holder on the stock along with shot.  If using the full choke, it's not smart to use a slug.  That's about the only real limitation for me.  8)  The large thumbscrew is easy to remove and my reloading kit is in a small pouch which I can carry with me easily.  ;)





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should have stated I hand cut the length to 20" and filed smooth and did a slight chamfer crown.  Nothing too difficult, and just a small amount of rebluing.  8)
Tacklebury --}>>>>>    Multi-Barrel: .223 Superlite, 7mm-08 22", .30-40 Krag M158, .357 Maximum 16-1/4 HB, .45 Colt, .45-70 22" irons, 32" .45-70 Peeps, 12 Ga. 3-1/2 w/ Chokes, .410 Smooth slugger, .45 Cal Muzzy, .50 Cal Muzzy, .58 Cal Muzzy

also classics: M903 9-shot Target .22 Revolver, 1926 .410 Single, 1915 38 S&W Break top Revolver and 7-shot H&R Trapper .22 6" bbl.


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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2014, 05:57:15 PM »
I LOVE my survivor stocks, I have swapped almost half of my stocks out to survivors, length of pull is good for me and I have such long arms and neck I usually bust my nose up with harder recoiling rounds. Plus I'm the kind of guy that likes pockets on his cloths....why not places to hide extra stuff that would otherwise be wasted space? Also I think these stocks are stronger than wood, just wish they were water tight.


I have one project in mind to make a .22 chamber insert out of some old .22 barrels I have sleeved to fit in a 12 ga or perhaps 20ga. I just recently got a .223 project going and restocked it, only bad thing is its 1:12 twist barrel. but for "ultimate" I would go with  almost any of the common calibers out there .22 hornet, .223 Rem .308, 30-30 with the "Ultimate" being either 30-06 or .308 I think. But I could see where a .357 Max would be great as well


One thing that lacks over the catalog "survivors" is the lack of iron sights.....what good is it if your scope breaks after your plan crashes and you have no back up sights?


Like the OP i'm constantly fascinated by "survival rifles" the hard part is figuring out the best chambering. If you're a good stalker and shot you can go with a lesser cartridge like the .22 hornet and do a lot with that. If you think this is fun try taking a look as the IZH-94 combination gun and try to decide with shotgun / rifle combo you think would work best....its really hard.

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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2014, 06:00:48 AM »
Mu survival/truck gun is a NEF 12 ga .Cut to 18 1/2 inches,fiber optic front sight,soon to reamed and tapped for choke tunes.With adapters/inserts  for 22lr,9mm,357,20ga.This covers all of the calibers I usually keep on hand.the 223 is covered by a KelTec Su16, and 308 is covered by a M1916 Spanish scout rifle. Doug
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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2014, 08:35:08 AM »
Did anyone see Wild west guns from Alaska show when the smith took a wood stock rifle and made a survival rifle out of it? He howled out the butt stock so survival items could be put inside.  . He then cut the butt plate for a door and a plate that would swing open under the butt plate. The banket he put under the barrel between the forarm. A dime was also in the kit to take the barrel off to get at the blanket. I would think this would work better than the exsisting survival stock. May not work on a heavy hitter, 223 or 357 may work ok. Zeak


They used a CZ scout rifle.  It was a pretty neat job, but something anybody with a drill press and a dremel could do.


I would probably grab my .357 handi as survival to me means game small to large as well as defense.  Regardless of what you are armed with, group size has more to do with survival in a defensive situation.  A single skilled shooter has a slight chance over a semi skilled group that has a basic understanding of flanking tactics.  To that end, something that can provide food, is easily reloadable or scroungeable, and is simple enough to be fixed with few spare parts and hand tools gets the nod from me.  I like the idea of a LR as well, but to me it is something to put small game in the pot more so than any other use.  I don't usually attach gear to my rifle, but I have a lumbar pack that has a few first aid items, fire tools, a folding knife, poncho, water, granola bars, and 100' of 550 cord on every time I hit the woods.  I will often wear a small back pack with extra layers of clothes and rain gear (or room to store removed layers) too.  I typically have a folder or fixed blade knife on my belt too.
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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2014, 02:56:05 PM »
I have a question with those that use an insert.
How is the accuracy when you take it out and put it back in?
What do you set the sight on?  The insert or the original gauge/caliber?


I ask this because I had shot an old 12ga that had its barrel blown out.  It was cut down to 18" and drilled and tapped for a rail and a red dot.  I think the insert was 10".  Very accurate. It was a 9mm. 


This and other inserts look to be use as not a "drop in" caliber change, but something to be set in and sighted in and left in.
Am I wrong?


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Re: My next fun project: Ultimate "survival" handi
« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2014, 03:00:20 PM »
The sights on my .410 smoothbore are Epoxied on and if you zero the sights for the insert, it should be fairly repeatable.  If you go to Shortlane Arms site, he has some videos of them being used and there's a guy on YouTube that shows some in action also.  8)

http://www.gunadapters.com/12-gauge-to-9mm-extended-length-rifled-adapter/
Tacklebury --}>>>>>    Multi-Barrel: .223 Superlite, 7mm-08 22", .30-40 Krag M158, .357 Maximum 16-1/4 HB, .45 Colt, .45-70 22" irons, 32" .45-70 Peeps, 12 Ga. 3-1/2 w/ Chokes, .410 Smooth slugger, .45 Cal Muzzy, .50 Cal Muzzy, .58 Cal Muzzy

also classics: M903 9-shot Target .22 Revolver, 1926 .410 Single, 1915 38 S&W Break top Revolver and 7-shot H&R Trapper .22 6" bbl.