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Offline redleg11b

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I saw interesting videos today
« on: February 13, 2014, 01:30:59 PM »
Was browsing youtube today and saw Dave Cantebury and a few others using the brass piece from a slug shell, a 209 primer, and black powder to turn their H&R shotguns to muzzle stuffers.  Of course curiosity got me so I figured if anybody here has done the same.  It would add versatility for those thinking about a long term backwoods trip.  Notice no reference to survival or SHTF scenario.  I simply do not see someone lugging powder, primers, and shot on a backwoods jaunt or hunting a new area.  These are items you could cache though, or put if you decide to "bug out".  I'm simply asking if you have done it and what you experienced vs reloading an actual shell with proper wad and crimp.
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Re: I saw interesting videos today
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2014, 03:30:54 PM »
I do it with my .410 Slugger/survival setup.  You can use High brass only if you are smart though, I think you'd blow out short brass.  Nice thing is you can prime up several and carry them in a ziplock baggy.  Range is a little more limited than with regular shells as you don't have a shot control cup keeping the shot together as long.  I use cardboard wads as they are free and work well without igniting.  Also seem to scrape down the previous shots residue well.  ;)  Have fun and try it.  I also made a little shell reloading kit with a dowel rod and piece of richlite cutting board which is very tough.  I have 2 primer spots one for Large pistol for magtech brass and one for 209 primers.  I use a worn out Lee .223 decapping pin to take out the used primers.  The dowel is bored to accept it.  8)  I use .41 magnum bullets (was given a bunch) and they group around 2" to 3" at 25 yards.  it's a hoot to shoot.  You should give it a try.  It works well and you can buy all the components at Wally world.  ;)
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Re: I saw interesting videos today
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2014, 02:06:43 AM »
Tacklebury, what diameter and weight 41 cal. bullets do you use in your slugger?

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Re: I saw interesting videos today
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2014, 02:31:49 AM »
seen the video about two months ago.  neat, but dont see much usefulness.  maybe if you using your shotgun with patched round ball for muzzle loading season?  with the price of M.L. at walmart way bother?  yet ill be trying it this summer just for kicks.  as a side note hornets nest make wading for M.L.  beat gathered in the winter ha ha  :o
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Re: I saw interesting videos today
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2014, 02:53:58 AM »
I've done this with a 58cal Huntsman MZ using a (IIRC) the brass end of 12ga hull.  It worked for about 10 or so rounds until the hull gave up the ghost.  I did this to test the gun because I didn't have any percussion caps.  I have also used fired 45-70 brass to test a 45-70 Handi rifle as an MZ.  I did this to very accuracy before permanently converted the 45-70 to a smokeless MZ.

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Re: I saw interesting videos today
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2014, 05:28:33 AM »
Dang it I just erased my post trying to post a link so let me try again. As was stated by another poster I really don't see much use for this. Mr. Canterbury likes to adopt some of the old 18th century Longhunter ways to today. In a lot of ways this makes sense as there was a lot of old tricks and techniques that are still viable in todays world. He collaborated with short lane arms which make shotgun adapters who brought out a 209 shotgun adapter. Now one doesn't have to cut the brass off a spent hull to do this. Just pay attention to the particulars in his firearms videos and don't take anything he says as gospel. He mentioned in one video that the rifling on slugs are there to impart spin and stabalize the slug as it travels in the atmosphere ::)  Hard to believe that a expert (so called) actually said that because some folks that aren't very knowledgeable wil believe him. While that is but one small example he could be putting out some really bad info that could be dangerous.

Another reason that he mentioned the use of Black powder in the 12GA was due to the ammo shortage, so this way you would still ba able to hunt. However I never noticed a shortage of shotshell  ammo during the great shortage, and if there were I would reload my own with smokeless well before using Black powder. The most useful video he did IMHO is showing how to modify brass shotshells to accept 209 primers.

As much as he tries to emulate the longhunters I find it interesting that he professes the use of the 12GA since longhunters actually used 20GA French fusil de chase fowlers. The 20GA will net the user with the same results as the 12GA and more. What the 20GA offers is more shots since it uses less powder and lead as does the 12GA. In a long term situation which he does mention quite a bit this is a huge benefit the 20GA has over the 12GA. For my own knowledge I wanted to see how many 20GA shells would fit in a empty 12GA box. I found that I could fit 36 20GA shells in a 12GA box, 44% more ammo in the same space that 25 12GA shells take up. When loading black powder I'm not sure you would get that much more out of the 20GA but I know you would still get more shots out of a pound of powder and shot than you would if using a 12GA.

On his channel there is a two part Advanced Scout documentary where he fashions the class after a longhunters camp and the students must bring in a set amount of game to attain his advanced scout rating. His requirement to his students is they bring a shotgun with 1 pound of shot and Black powder (or equivalent) or 10 preloaded shells with Black powder. I would love to know why he won't allow modern smokeless ammo and only 10 pre loaded Black powder shells.
 
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Re: I saw interesting videos today
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2014, 06:17:26 AM »
Just before I read this post, I was on the Short Lane Chamber Adapter website.  There was a listing for their"12 Gauge Black Powder Adapter " BLACK OUT""  which provided everything you needed, except for Pyrodex and 209 primers, for 20 reloads of #5 shot.  Seems like a neat kit to keep on hand for a rainy day.  I may have to pick one up.

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Re: I saw interesting videos today
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2014, 07:57:43 PM »
336A, that is one of the reasons I have a 20 and not a 12.  The 12 also recoils a little bit more and the 20 will be easier to get my young son to handle sooner.  I just found it interesting and something I hadn't thought about though.  I'm in the process of putting an ammo can reloading kit together for the .357 and think it would be preferred to bp shotgunning (save the smokless shells).  Canterbury has some pretty good ideas, but nobody knows everything or should be taken as THE authority.
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Re: I saw interesting videos today
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2014, 11:41:56 PM »
I used to think a person was undergunned using a 20GA until I got a 20GA Pardner last year. Now I find myself reaching for it more often than my 12GA, Ive become quite fond of the little single shot. I wasn't trying to take anything away from Mr. Canterbury as he does have some good ideas as you noted. One thing I like that he talked about and i will be getting soon is the ols oil treated watch coat.
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Re: I saw interesting videos today
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2014, 08:12:00 AM »
Tacklebury, what diameter and weight 41 cal. bullets do you use in your slugger?

They are Oregon Trail "True Shot" 215 gr. SWC @ .412 diameter.  8)
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Re: I saw interesting videos today
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2014, 10:11:47 AM »
if this is the video i watched a month ago
why didn't he just load a whole shell/hull  like a like a muzzle loader
then load the hull  all loaded up.......have a few more in his pocket ready??
i have used patched balls  in many cases  with varying success

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Re: I saw interesting videos today
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2014, 10:20:44 AM »
Honestly, the only reason I'd do it is to fit into "muzzle loading" seasons.  I made little reloading kits for 12 ga., 20 ga., 16 ga. and .410 cal shotguns and it's much easier as you say.  I do what you say and use the shell several times also.  In Michigan at least though, if you want to use it during muzzle loading season, you have to do it with the brass only and muzzle load it.  ;)
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Re: I saw interesting videos today
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2014, 11:09:21 AM »
in florida  i think you would have to epoxy/solder/thread  the breech plug


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Re: I saw interesting videos today
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2014, 11:50:06 AM »
i've seen it.
i think it's just presented as an alternative
way to keep shooting for some folks that
may not realize that it could be done that way.
just as i can make a fire with a piece of flint
and a steel or with a bow drill. i won't be doing
that when i go camping, but i'll be using matches
or a lighter most likely. but that stuff is always
good to know. some of the reloading vids on
the web are what spooks me. :(
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