Good Story

[Hairy Chest]

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel provides for us today one good example of how two conflicting groups banded together in the fight against Marxism for the common good.      

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2562061/Chuck-Hagel-reunited-brother-arms-Vietnam.html

[Hairy Chest]

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel provides for us today one good example of how two conflicting groups banded together in the fight against Marxism for the common good.      

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2562061/Chuck-Hagel-reunited-brother-arms-Vietnam.html

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Saw this,,,its amazing some of the criticism he had to weather from Ted Cruz and his detractors, criticisms that would probably get them banned from GB's.
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But what I want to know is while Chuck was fighting 'marxist' was he fighting for 'free enterprise' system of the Founders...??
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..TM7

He, as well as all other Vietnam vets, were fighting for God and country.  They were the honorable ones, the men who went off to war.  They deserve our salute.  Some good folks also opposed the war, but they were misled by Marxists at home who led the '60's anti-war movement.  It was the Bill Clinton types who represented that movement.  The '60's peace hippies were the nation's liberal problem and they caused and still cause many of the problems then and today. 

[RPRNY]

Yes, tovarisch TM7, the whole Cold War was a lie. If only we had embraced international socialism as our current regime does now, the world would have been a better place, at least for you and other members of the International...

Yes, Johnson fabricated Tonkin to go to war (Kennedy would have as well, comrade). Yes, Washington misunderstood the nationalist aspirations of Uncle Ho. But they were Communists and containing Communism is what defeated it. And our having won the Cold War made the world a better place for billions of people, including the Vietnamese garment worker. So, thanks to Chuck Hagel and all the others who stepped up and fought the good fight even if our political masters were probably fighting it for the wrong reasons.

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Yeah well, doesn't matter if you were a hippy, a libber professor, or a priest, a commie or a corpocat,  or old time real conservative,,,,that war was proven to be founded on a hoax and lie (and maybe a presidential assassination), and phony Gulf of Tonkin incident and 30 short years later we do business with them...remember W formerly solidified business tries with Vietnam. The war was not only based on lies, but was perpetuated and ran on lies to the American public.  Chuck's and his CO's  story is touching, but doesn't cover up or change the reality of that war and all the grief and loss it unnecessarily sowed.
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Plus I just read that Brown & Root (Haliburton) was hired to dredge out a harbor so our ships could port, even though there were plenty of other harbors already deep enough..

[Hairy Chest]

Yeah well, doesn't matter if you were a hippy, a libber professor, or a priest, a commie or a corpocat,  or old time real conservative,,,,that war was proven to be founded on a hoax and lie (and maybe a presidential assassination), and phony Gulf of Tonkin incident and 30 short years later we do business with them...remember W formerly solidified business tries with Vietnam. The war was not only based on lies, but was perpetuated and ran on lies to the American public.  Chuck's and his CO's  story is touching, but doesn't cover up or change the reality of that war and all the grief and loss it unnecessarily sowed.
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Right.  I agree, but two wrongs don't make a wrong a right.  There were two wars, the war against Communism and there was a war at home.  The war at home was a war for the heart and soul of America, like Pat Buchanan said in his speech at the 1992 Republican Convention.  One casualty of the war at home was the acceptance by both parties of the new immigration plan. Both political parties, Democrats and Republicans, surrendered to the Marxist plan of domination and control of our people through the flooding of our borders with legal and illegal immigrants.  What we see as a consequence is the turning of our nation into a Third World country and this needs to be presented as a viable and important issue for the future if we are to see again the greatness of our nation. All eyes must be focused on the ethnic cleansing of our people here at home first before we can begin to look at any other issue.  The genocide of our people and the aims of turning America into the U.S.S.S.R, the United States Soviet Socialist Republic, must not be allowed to happen in this country this century. 

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[SHOOTALL]

My room mate in college , his father was a 3 star general in South VN. He gave quite a different take on the war. He cried when the North took over as did many others.

[RPRNY]

My room mate in college , his father was a 3 star general in South VN. He gave quite a different take on the war. He cried when the North took over as did many others.

TM7 would prefer that you not inject such inconvenient anecdotes into his bizarre narrative about how the Tri-Partite Convention secretly control the world...

[Hairy Chest]

Here's what it's like in North Korean Gulags today.  The article is kind of biased, though.  We'll have to live with it for the time being.      In it, though, it gives good coverage on what could happen to us if we fall in North Korean hands.  Banker jails?  I think not.  These are ideologues.  Look what they do to their own race.  That takes a powerful ideology, don't you think? 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2561992/Shocking-sketches-emerge-life-North-Koreas-gulags-showing-prisoners-resort-eating-mice-snakes-beaten-vomited-blood.html

[Hairy Chest]

Mr. Hairy....twern't no war against commies...it was a banker MIC war for profit against nationalist trying to reunify their country after French colonist were kicked out and who was going to control the Tiger Oil Fields.....bankers could care less if a country is label commie or cappy.  In fact, the commies are great labor round uppers on the cheap,,,almost like slavery. There was no lofty philosophical cultural moral showdown in SE Asia_ _it was about greed, money, and psycho abstract sense of power just like any other war. And there wasn't a snowball's chance in he!! these rice farmers threaten us one iota.  "All war is a racket"...Gen S. Butler.
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For gawd sakes they're still commies and arch patriot W formalized trade with them...
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..TM7

I understand.  You call it 'psycho abstract sense of power'.  I call it group conflict.  Same difference with a minor exception.  Groups utilize strategies to pursue their evolutionary goals.  You are correct that Leo Strauss is a continuation of Marx and Lenin.  The group evolved from the strategy of Communism to Capitalism against other groups who were less group committed, such as what we see in Europe and America. An old 'Straussian' strategy or group goal has been to form strong relations with a nation's rulers who aren't collectivist with their own people and whose societies are hierarchical.      

[Hairy Chest]

My room mate in college , his father was a 3 star general in South VN. He gave quite a different take on the war. He cried when the North took over as did many others.

TM7 would prefer that you not inject such inconvenient anecdotes into his bizarre narrative about how the Tri-Partite Convention secretly control the world...

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Like I said, for some Straussian one world types the SE showdown was more about psychopathic abstract sense of power first and foremost, and personal rational scheme of things.... These types still lurk around and inhabit control centers of our government unfortunately.
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Myself and brother were in SE Asia, and I know plenty of other advisors and military that believe the Vietnamese are better off on the socialism side of the spectrum.  Apparently W believes same thing.....Paper Bankers could care less what they're labeled.
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Of course the advisors and military 'believe' the Vietnamese are better off.  They've made a deal with the Straussians to subjugate their own people and use their manpower and resources for Straussian capitalism.  Likewise, the Straussians have an iron grip on Democrats and Republicans, who push the Straussian  desire for Western consumer markets.  They could care less if the jobs go overseas to Vietnamese.  Likewise, when there is work here in America, the Straussian coalition with Democrat and Republicans, will force an amnesty down our people's throats.  We will be heading to the same King and Straussian Middleman versus peasants or people relationship.  And I say to you again, unless you are some kind of a crypto Straussian, an amnesty for immigrants will end our Second Amendment rights for all time. 

[Hairy Chest]

Mr. Hairy,,,,riiight, kinda like that,,,,one key thing the Straussian Machiavellians psychopaths do besides lie and spin as a rule, is to employ the 'permanent victim mentality', or version thereof...to advance their dialectic in their domination scheme.
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You bet they do!  They use that victim mentality.  The reason they need that mentality is so their group can have a moral basis for a common purpose.  Having a moral basis is a necessary requirement for the success of the group.  Whether they are really victims or not with the facts doesn't matter.  As long as they convince themselves that they are victims, that's all that's needed to work towards the common goal.