Author Topic: Why not buy a cheap in-line? (Read 3855 times)

Mike in Virginia · « **on:** February 20, 2014, 12:44:07 AM »

The T/C's and other top shelf brands are very nice indeed, but I can't see a difference between them and the cheapies like my CVA Wolf, which cost me $139 at Wal-Mart. Can anyone enlighten me? The Wolf has a camo synthetic stock, recessed muzzle for easy loading, fiber optic sights, great trigger, no tools breech plug removal, sling swivels, and super accurate with 100 grains of Pyrodex (2 pellets). I've seen some in-lines in the stores costing 4 or 5 times more than the CVA. What's up with that?

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #1 on:** February 20, 2014, 03:47:35 AM »

cva has really done a good job over the years in improvements with their stocks, barrels and action designs. Some just get caught up when tc used to run all those commercials and outfit hunters with their guns. If you notice, they've been cut back big time since the s&w take over, along with their customer service declining in the process.

flintlock · « **Reply #2 on:** February 20, 2014, 03:52:47 AM »

Nicer stock, good recoil pad, adjustable trigger among other things...

It's all what a fellow wants, if you are happy, good deal...

GeneRector · « **Reply #3 on:** February 20, 2014, 12:13:12 PM »

Howdy! If your CVA Wolf shoots accurately, then this is a great inline to use. Sometimes finding a bullet and powder charge combination that works great for your gun can be a challenge. I had an old inline years ago that I never did find a bullet and load that it liked. Always, Gene

tacklebury · « **Reply #4 on:** February 21, 2014, 05:14:42 AM »

I like my inexpensive inline. Shoots everything I throw at it great from RB to 300+ buffalo bullets.

I put a $40 set of sights, which was the only thing i didn't like as stock, and a $15 sling.

Does all I need it to do and easy to clean. I also like my Hawken style and other bp guns too. All work, just what sings to you.

TonyS · « **Reply #5 on:** February 23, 2014, 02:56:22 AM »

Kinda like going to the magic shop to buy a cigar, isn't it?

chuckhawks (read and rethink)

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #6 on:** February 23, 2014, 04:42:56 AM »

Quote from: TonyS on February 23, 2014, 02:56:22 AM

chuckhawks (read and rethink)

More like, Print, then wipe.

bubba · « **Reply #7 on:** February 25, 2014, 03:49:37 AM »

another way to do the blow up thing. So sad

Singlebarrel · « **Reply #8 on:** February 27, 2014, 12:28:24 AM »

I have heard some bad things about TCs customer service, but my experience with their customer service was real good. They apparently had a run of bad 35 Whelen barrels a while back. Don't know for sure, but that is what it looks like to me. Anyway, I went through four Weather Shield barrels trying to get one that would shoot. They were really quick about getting a barrel to me and sending me shipping lables to return the bad ones. Eventually, I asked for an upgrade to stainless steel 28 inch model as the Weather Shield ones appeared to have some kind of consistant defect. They complied promplty and with without question and without any additional charges. I got my stainless steel barrel and I am very happy with it. Indications are that maybe there is some kind of quality control problem, but customer service was excellent.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #9 on:** February 27, 2014, 05:07:13 AM »

I didn't buy an Encore because it cost more but because I can change to different barrels. Can your gun do that Mike ? Tat is not a cut just a reason I got it. But lets face it the new guns are better across the board and more cost effective.

Swampman · « **Reply #10 on:** February 27, 2014, 07:21:54 AM »

The difference is a good muzzleloader isn't a pipe bomb with a stock on it.

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #11 on:** February 27, 2014, 09:19:54 AM »

all muzzleloaders are pipe bombs when in the hands of someone who hasnt a clue what they are doing.

Swampman · « **Reply #12 on:** February 27, 2014, 10:02:05 AM »

Oddly that doesn't seem to be Encore, Savage, or Knight owners.

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #13 on:** February 27, 2014, 10:05:18 AM »

fellow on youtube shooting his tc omega and he blew it sky high and the sad part... He was using jim shockeys gold

Swampman · « **Reply #14 on:** February 27, 2014, 10:22:59 AM »

One careless incidence hardly compares to hundreds if not thousands.

tacklebury · « **Reply #15 on:** February 27, 2014, 11:51:02 AM »

Man I wish there was an ignore feature on these boards...

OldSchoolRanger · « **Reply #16 on:** February 28, 2014, 03:12:13 AM »

Quote from: Mike in Virginia on February 20, 2014, 12:44:07 AM

The T/C's and other top shelf brands are very nice indeed, but I can't see a difference between them and the cheapies like my CVA Wolf, which cost me $139 at Wal-Mart. Can anyone enlighten me? The Wolf has a camo synthetic stock, recessed muzzle for easy loading, fiber optic sights, great trigger, no tools breech plug removal, sling swivels, and super accurate with 100 grains of Pyrodex (2 pellets). I've seen some in-lines in the stores costing 4 or 5 times more than the CVA. What's up with that?

Not to knock the CVA Wolf, I had one (camo stock w/scope como) briefly, but I just didn't like the feel of the stock, to me it seemed like a cheap plastic stock. It didn't feel any better in the cold or when it got wet. I saw a similar type stock on a Savage Axis, that broke clean through. That was enough for me.

As far as price is concerned, you can pick up one of the big name brands used on GB or the GBO classifieds for a decent price. If you ever decide to sell, it is a lot easier to sell one of the big name brands, and they definitely retain a better resale price.

Call me biased, but I do like the in-lines from TC's, Knight, and N&R/NEF better. And, I do have experience with other brands like Traditions, and Rossi.

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #17 on:** February 28, 2014, 04:00:27 AM »

nef is not better by a long shot lol

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #18 on:** February 28, 2014, 04:47:27 AM »

Why would anyone want to use what they describe as cheap to launch a load of lead with an EXPLOSIVE only inches from their eyes , brain , etc. Is that even worth considering ? Is it really open for debate among intelligent people ?

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #19 on:** February 28, 2014, 04:55:46 AM »

made in china is cheap, made in india is even worse, those i'd never consider shooting. The steel they used was worse than what they had back in the 1820's and even the famous Hawken bro's had guns blow up on the shooter.

Swampman · « **Reply #20 on:** February 28, 2014, 10:27:06 AM »

Quote from: bigblock455 on February 28, 2014, 04:00:27 AM

nef is not better by a long shot lol

The NEF is American made, proof tested, and a lot better.

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #21 on:** February 28, 2014, 11:01:36 AM »

so good its no longer made

They were nothing fancy, just a low cost muzzleloader that would do what the hunter needed.

Lets not let this get back to the old day swampy, I dont think the members really appreciate it when you go off on the rants and such.

Swampman · « **Reply #22 on:** February 28, 2014, 11:26:21 AM »

The Remington 700ML is no longer made and it was the most accurate muzzleloader you could buy.

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #23 on:** February 28, 2014, 11:49:28 AM »

You are aware that Remington is going to offer a new muzzleloader this year correct?

Swampman · « **Reply #24 on:** February 28, 2014, 11:55:30 AM »

I was not. Are they going to produce one or import one?

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #25 on:** February 28, 2014, 12:05:36 PM »

From one of my forums over at my place that has connections:

Ok, here is the deal on the Remington, this time straight from the horses mouth, the actual guys doing the work on the gun. Like I said before, they bought out ULTIMATE MUZZLE LOADERS, however they will not use the ULTIMATE BP design, they are designing their own BP, they will use a cut down 308 case as the priming system, and they will also use their own barrels. The gun will be built on 700 short action receiver and will have a SS barrel on in with a Laminated stock, it will be 50 cal., and it will required a that you complete a 4473 in order to purchase the gun. They will begin production in July this year in order to have for sale before ML season. MSRP will be 1300.00, so it will mean I would have to sell them for around 889.00 so I'm guessing. He told me he will bring one by for me to test this spring. I told them that they needed to re-think their ignition system, and make the gun that will not required a 4473, and was capable of using BH 209.

Swampman · « **Reply #26 on:** February 28, 2014, 12:12:33 PM »

Very interesting....thanks for the info

flintlock · « **Reply #27 on:** February 28, 2014, 09:08:23 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on February 28, 2014, 11:26:21 AM

The Remington 700ML is no longer made and it was the most accurate muzzleloader you could buy.

I'll call bullspit on this...Just because Remington made it does not mean it was the most accurate muzzleloader you could buy, there are plenty of others that are more accurate than you can shoot...

The person working up the loads and doing the shooting is the most important part of the equation...

Swampman · « **Reply #28 on:** February 28, 2014, 11:29:17 PM »

The 700ML is a sub-MOA muzzleloader in the hands of an average shooter and it isn't picky about loads. Mine shot 1/2" groups at 50 yards with patched round balls over 80 grains of 3F anything. It's still the best thing going.

flintlock · « **Reply #29 on:** March 01, 2014, 01:57:55 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on February 28, 2014, 11:29:17 PM

The 700ML is a sub-MOA muzzleloader in the hands of an average shooter and it isn't picky about loads. Mine shot 1/2" groups at 50 yards with patched round balls over 80 grains of 3F anything. It's still the best thing going.

In your opinion....

My brother's got one, I'm the one who worked up the load for it, it shot great but no better than my Knight Disc, or my other brother's Bighorn or my buddy's Omega...

Don't kid yourself...