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The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
« on: February 23, 2014, 11:11:01 PM »
If you check some of the "bailout tracker" sites it now appears that of Feb. 14 the gov. has netted 12.5 billion in profit overall so far.
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Re: The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2014, 11:59:49 PM »
And Hussein spent that in thirty seconds.
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Re: The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2014, 01:21:51 AM »
Is that before or after the write offs for the companys that have gone belly up and the ones who have their debt forgiven?

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Re: The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2014, 01:32:18 AM »
Is that before or after the write offs for the companys that have gone belly up and the ones who have their debt forgiven?

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Or even after GM used the bailout to move manufacturing facilities to mexico and china?? POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2014, 02:32:18 AM »
Good deal, so all we have to do is more bailouts if we want to reduce the deficit?
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Re: The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2014, 03:50:33 AM »
I once new a guy who thought he could spend his way out of debt. 😜


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Re: The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2014, 03:53:24 AM »
Perhaps tha just financed the turnover of Chrysler to Fiat..

  NOTE:  Nissan, Toyota, Kia and other auto companies in right-to-work states didn't need a bailout !

   But if you recall, Saturn was in a right-to-work state and apparently doing OK..but that is the one division the Obamunists forced GM to kill off !
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Re: The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2014, 04:30:49 AM »
The government netted 12.5 billion in profit. Who's money is that? I guess we should be seeing a tax credit check in the mail, Right?
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Re: The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2014, 04:36:29 AM »
It's not the only issue the naysayers have to eat crow about!

Obamacare Is A Massive Success As 1.1 Million People Signed Up In The Month Of January

On Wednesday, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services released the January enrollment numbers for the ACA and it can only be seen as good news. In the month of January, 1.1 million people signed up for a health plan using the state and federal marketplaces. This represented a 53% increase in total enrollment over the previous three months. Overall, 3.3 million people have now signed up for health plans in the marketplaces since enrollment began in October. With enrollment open until March 31st, it seems clear now that we will see millions more enroll in this first year.

One concern many have had in the early stages of enrollment was regarding young people signing up. Well, that fear has now been somewhat alleviated, as 27% of those who signed up in January were young adults. Overall, 25% of the total number of people enrolled are between the ages of 18 and 34. So the fear that only older adults would be seeking coverage in the individual marketplaces now seems unfounded. Young, healthy adults are making up a good-sized portion of those covered.

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Re: The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2014, 05:55:53 AM »
Two Blocked,

The ACA is an issue I've been heavily involved with for almost a year now.  I refuse to sign up.  Luckily I will be able to swing a private insurance policy.  With that neat policy I will have almost double the premiums, but I will fortunately have child dental....(my youngest is 39 yrs. old an on her own for many years now), and I will have OB Gyn as well, even  though my wife will not be on the policy.

Moreover, I will have just a $6350.00 deductible and a $6350.00 out of pocket max per year.  What a deal.  So that means on top of the premiums, I will have to pay for my meds out of pocket until I meet the deductible.

I have one doctor in my area or zone that takes the insurance as of this time, a fella' with an Indian name that's in a little office in a strip mall.

My hospital will not take the insurance.

Obamacare would be worse.  Same coverage, same premium, same doctor but I will have to put my personal info in an insecure web site.

Those young people who signed are lucky.  That's a start on the 30-40 million they said were uninsured.  Of course more than that have lost coverage so far.

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Re: The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2014, 07:36:30 AM »
I think this profit the government is claiming is nothing but some creative accounting. Think about it. If government can get us to believe there was a profit from the bailouts. Then the implication would be that bailouts are a good thing. Remember, government will lie through their teeth about anything, just as long as it supports their power grab.   
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Re: The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2014, 07:45:20 AM »
  That article didn't say how many of those signing up are PAYING for their coverage..   If the past is any barometer, it will be mainly those who are being  paid to sign up~ (subsidy takers)..

  So who pays for them?..likely the rest of us!
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Re: The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2014, 08:10:54 AM »
     ,((((((( it will be mainly those who are being  paid to sign up~ (subsidy takers)..))))))))

 


Now why did you have to say that?
It makes Obama look like some kind of a liar.
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Re: The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2014, 09:38:26 AM »
About the bailouts, GM would have survived conventional bankruptcy without turning bankruptcy law on its head. It mostly had the effect of securing an obsolete union until the next big union bailout to a reliable leftist voting bloc-- financing communism through the fruits of capitalism, as usual. Most of the bank bailouts went to banks that did not need or want them, but were coereced into taking them. Fannie and Freddie are now practicing the exact same policies that got them into trouble before the bubble burst. Times are good in their sector of the mortgage industry. What will happen in the next downturn? Chrysler? Not exactly the model of what one wants when making an investment in domestic industry.

A lot gets forgotten or ignored about those insidious bailouts. Take off the rose colored glasses.


At GM and Fannie and Freddie, they are still dysfunctional, having been spared the cleansing effect of bankruptcy and reform.


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Re: The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2014, 10:46:03 AM »
Oh goody, since Obamacare is now doing so well, that must mean that the Obamunist can leave Medicare advantage alone and he won't be screwing up what wasn't broken.  And he should also be able to pay back the $700 + billion they've already stolen from Medicare.  Right?
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Re: The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
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Re: The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2014, 07:24:49 PM »
No Two Blocked.  I am not afraid of it's succeeding.  At this point, I would just like to have my old health ins. back, and I would gladly pay an extra amount to cover the uninsured, (as if we already didn't).

If I have a major incident even with my new coverage, it could bankrupt me.  If you GIVE someone insurance, and they are financially disadvantaged, how will they come up with the $12,000 in copays and deductibles.

If you think this is a good thing, you have greatly deceived yourself.

Obamacare is succeeding.....in further impoverishing people.

If we are spending MORE money, and doctors are getting less, where is the extra money going?

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Re: The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2014, 08:15:00 PM »
SINCE WHEN IS A GOVERNMENT SUPPOSED TO BE "IN BUSINESS" TO MAKE A "PROFIT"? THE ONLY THING THIS GOVERNMENT IS IN IS "OUR BUSINESS"!
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Re: The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2014, 05:41:37 AM »
Heck Dee, some people don't even know that its tax payers money.
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Re: The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2014, 07:06:10 AM »
Here is the cheapest plan available to me on the exchange.  Similar prices for private insurance.  As a matter of fact, this is private insurance offered on the exchange. I am not eligible for "Obamacare" as my wife has private insurance through her job.  Her employer will not take me.  You will notice this does not pay for ANYTHING until I have spent $6300.00

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Re: The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2014, 07:06:32 AM »
Anytime ANY government is makin a profit on ANYTHING, the citicizens of that community, city, county, state, or country, are takin a screwing. Governments are supposed to be servants, not enterprises.
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Re: The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2014, 11:16:05 PM »
Right on Dee;

  Isn't it interesting how in "politician speak"..old time SPENDING has morphed into being called "investments"!
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Re: The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2014, 12:28:01 AM »
Taxpayer money shouldn't go to ANY private enterprise.  Doesn't matter if you call it "investing", "spending", or whatever.
 
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Re: The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2014, 01:18:45 AM »
We wouldn't be where we are if it wasn't for the government getting involved in business. In fact our beloved Constitution is the direct result of such desires by the early states.

Do a little research on the relationship between George Washington, the Patowmack Canal and the Constitution

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Re: The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2014, 02:47:51 AM »
If you check some of the "bailout tracker" sites it now appears that of Feb. 14 the gov. has netted 12.5 billion in profit overall so far.
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Does that include the Stock that Obama Illegally gave the UAW? 
And this is more proof that the Union is no longer supporting the workers when they  care about the share price and the profits of GM. 
 

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Re: The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2014, 03:11:35 AM »

I guess that depends on what you consider success is.
So far more people dependant on the government for a hand out to pay their Health care.
Higher premiums that make the tax payers choose between payingthe higer premiums and spending $ or Investing, or Saving. 
In order to get the government hand out so they can afford Obama care, these same people will have to cut back on their work hours so they make less and can afford healthcare
That the govenment can mandate anythng as long as they call it a tax or say it is for healthcare reasons. 
That the law is not appliciable to all.  That people can be exempted based on any number of political criteria.  That a land of the law allows some people to be exempted goes against the very nature of our founding.  This IS the INEQUALITY that the Democrats are screaming about stopping at the same time they are the ones promoting it. 
That Obama has changed the law from what was passed.  Setting a bad pressident for Presidents to follow usurping power.  Cna the next Republican President slow implamentation of a law, change the law and exempt people?
So yes I am afraid of the total power grab being done in the name of healthcare, that what was promised as a price reduction law only increased prices and have limited people's freedom to spend their money as they wish on what they think they need or want.   
But then again Obama care is just another bullet in the gun of the Democrats trying to kill our economy and limit people's freedom.  Higher prices, cut your disposable income, higher fuel prices cut your disposable income, Higher taxes raise prices that cut you disposable incomes and moves your wants further away.  Making more and more people discontent and asking the government for help.  Growing the government power!
So yes I want Obamacare to to fail,  I do not want it to succed in stealing our freedom, uninsuring millions and moving the US to a dictatorship and federalizing healthcare.   Because clearly none of the government agencies and programs work efficiently and effectivly. 
 
 

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Re: The Bush/Obama bailout turning a profit now
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2014, 04:47:06 AM »
Good on ya Duck; I couldn't have said it better myself.
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