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CAN YOU TURBOCHARGE YOUR .45?
« on: August 06, 2020, 12:13:14 AM »
https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/turbocharge-45/

BY TOM MCHALE                   JUNE 16, 2018



What if I told you that your .45 pistol could fling a 160-grain bullet at 1,350 feet per second? Or maybe a 255-grain hard cast semi-wadcutter projectile at 1,030 feet per second?

Well, assuming you have a modern .45 ACP pistol with adequate strength, you can. Everything else is the same: barrel, magazines, and projectiles.

.45 These 160-grain Barnes TAC-XP all copper bullets zip along at over 1,300 feet per second.

New life for the .45? These 160-grain Barnes TAC-XP all copper bullets zip along at over 1,300 feet per second.

Almost 20 years ago a company called Triton launched a cartridge named the 450 SMC. It shares exterior dimensions and bullets with the .45 ACP but packs more wallop. Here’s how it works. The case, while the same on the outside is NOT standard .45 ACP brass. Instead, 450 SMC brass uses a small rifle magnum primer.

That seemingly insignificant change allows for two different things. First, the beefed-up heat and flash cause more aggressive ignition of the propellant charge. Second, fewer cubic millimeters of primer material translates to more cubic millimeters of cartridge brass in the base area. That extra metal in the case allows the cartridge to operate safely at five to six thousand more pounds per square inch of pressure without bulging or rupturing. The result of those changes is that a .45 ACP pistol rated for +P ammo can also fire the 450 SMC cartridge. That even applies to Glocks with their less than fully supported chamber.

A few years ago, Doubletap Ammunition bought the rights and gear to bring the 450 SMC back to the market. As of now, the company is offering six different loads ranging from a 160-grain Barnes TAC-XP all-copper projectile to a 255-grain hard cast semi-wadcutter. In the middle are JHP and bonded bullet offerings in the more traditional 185 and 230-grain range.


The 255-grain hard cast loads can help give your 1911 or other 45 new life as an outdoor activity companion.

I’ve shot them all through two different pistols, a Springfield Armory 1911 TRP and an FN FNX 45 Tactical as well as the new CMMG Banshee .45 ACP pistol. Recoil is noticeably sharper because, well, physics is physics, so the faster you launch, the more you feel. I measured some velocities for kicks and found the following.

Ammo                 Springfield Armory 1911 TRP              CMMG Banshee Pistol Carbine

Doubletap Barnes                    1,240.7                                          1,270.7
TAC-XP 450 SMC 160 grain

Doubletap Controlled Expansion    1,388.0                                          1,342.5
JHP 450 SMC 185 grain

Doubletap Bonded Defense    1,178.0                                          1,191.3
JHP 450 SMC 230 grain

Doubletap SWC Hardcast            1,085.0                                          1,090.7
450 SMC 255 grain

So, there you have it. If you feel compelled to get more oomph from your .45, then you might want to check out the 450 SMC. If it’s going to be a regular diet item, you might want to consider upgrading the recoil spring to a higher weight alternative to save some wear and tear on your pistol.


Tom McHale

Tom McHale is a committed learning junkie always seeking a new subject victim. As a lifelong student of whatever grabs his attention on any particular day, he thrives on beating rabbit trails into submission. In between his time as a high-tech marketing executive, restaurant owner, and hamster cosmetology practitioner, he’s published seven books and nearly 1,500 articles about guns, shooting, and the American way.


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Re: CAN YOU TURBOCHARGE YOUR .45?
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2020, 01:08:52 AM »
I fooled with it quite a bit when I was younger. Anymore I guess I don't mind beating on a black gun but my 1911s are shot with factory level loads at max. Most times even down loaded. If I want a more powerful semi auto I take out one of my 10s. To me its about like trying to fit a thong on a 70 year old lady.
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Re: CAN YOU TURBOCHARGE YOUR .45?
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2020, 04:34:19 AM »
To me its about like trying to fit a thong on a 70 year old lady.

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Re: CAN YOU TURBOCHARGE YOUR .45?
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2020, 09:47:59 AM »
There are some 70 year old ladies who would look really good in a thong. I recall seeing one on Fox news just recently, I think she was 71 and looked half that.


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Re: CAN YOU TURBOCHARGE YOUR .45?
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2020, 02:44:26 PM »
That extra "kick" hes talking about is the 1911 slide hitting the frame harder than it already was, at the back of the cycle.
I guess him being a "committed learner", he hasn't "learned" you need to increase the recoil slide spring to avoid cracking the frame. A recoil buffer wouldn't hurt either.
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Re: CAN YOU TURBOCHARGE YOUR .45?
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2020, 11:22:20 AM »
Hogdon lists a 200 grain cast LSWC over 8.2 grains CFE pistol at 1,142 fps for 45 ACP. OAL 1.225. I loaded up some to this and they were very snappy to say the least. Never did chrono them but they seemed to fly further when they ejected.
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Re: CAN YOU TURBOCHARGE YOUR .45?
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2020, 11:45:59 AM »
Hogdon lists a 200 grain cast LSWC over 8.2 grains CFE pistol at 1,142 fps for 45 ACP. OAL 1.225. I loaded up some to this and they were very snappy to say the least. Never did chrono them but they seemed to fly further when they ejected.

I'm sure the casings did fly further, because the slide came back faster.
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Re: CAN YOU TURBOCHARGE YOUR .45?
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2020, 04:15:01 PM »
They seemed hotter than any 45 ammo I have shot in it. Quite a bit more than my 230 grain HST plus p ammo.
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Re: CAN YOU TURBOCHARGE YOUR .45?
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2021, 01:30:07 AM »
Just saw this. How much different, I wonder, are these hot loads from loads for the .45 Super?
Chamber pressure for the .45 ACP is 21000 psi. For +P it is 23000 psi. For the Super it is 28000.
When I shoot the Super, i use a 28lb recoil spring.

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Re: CAN YOU TURBOCHARGE YOUR .45?
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2021, 03:16:01 AM »
Wonder how these hot 45s would function in a convertible cylinder Ruger revolver?

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Re: CAN YOU TURBOCHARGE YOUR .45?
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2021, 03:41:38 AM »
Probably with less chance of damage considering it's a ruger.
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Re: CAN YOU TURBOCHARGE YOUR .45?
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2021, 03:58:51 AM »
I might have to try some when we can buy ammunition again.

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Re: CAN YOU TURBOCHARGE YOUR .45?
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2021, 10:16:50 AM »
You can feed the Ruger most anything if it's the full size Blackhawk and not the smaller flat top.

I have one in stainless with both cylinders. I loaded up 1014 rounds of plated 185 grain RNFP bullets and some how got them too short to feed in my semiautos. But they work just fine in my Ruger. I assume since I seated the bullets too deeply the pressures might be higher than SAAMI also but am not sure.

I dunno why I seated them too deeply or how it happened but they sure work fine in my Ruger and are quite accurate as well. So I reserve them for it.

I haven't tried any of these hotter loads in any of my .45s. With the arthritis pain in my hands these days milder is better and hotter isn't even a consideration for me.


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Re: CAN YOU TURBOCHARGE YOUR .45?
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2021, 09:39:56 PM »
they would be fine as long as its a large frame ruger
Wonder how these hot 45s would function in a convertible cylinder Ruger revolver?
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Re: CAN YOU TURBOCHARGE YOUR .45?
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2021, 09:40:57 PM »
good advice if you insist on doing it.
That extra "kick" hes talking about is the 1911 slide hitting the frame harder than it already was, at the back of the cycle.
I guess him being a "committed learner", he hasn't "learned" you need to increase the recoil slide spring to avoid cracking the frame. A recoil buffer wouldn't hurt either.
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Re: CAN YOU TURBOCHARGE YOUR .45?
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2022, 04:45:55 AM »
Wow, that is getting close to Win Mag territory.

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Re: CAN YOU TURBOCHARGE YOUR .45?
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2022, 11:15:09 PM »
your getting to old Bill.
There are some 70 year old ladies who would look really good in a thong. I recall seeing one on Fox news just recently, I think she was 71 and looked half that.
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Re: CAN YOU TURBOCHARGE YOUR .45?
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2022, 05:28:39 AM »
Ya got that right Lloyd, I'm sure too dang old. I'll be 77 next month.


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Re: CAN YOU TURBOCHARGE YOUR .45?
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2022, 11:13:02 PM »
you got a 11 years on me. I hope i make it that far!!!
Ya got that right Lloyd, I'm sure too dang old. I'll be 77 next month.
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Re: CAN YOU TURBOCHARGE YOUR .45?
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2022, 09:56:07 AM »
Last month I mentioned the .45 Super. Doing some loading now, I looked up the ballistics.
185 grain jHP at 1300 fps
230 grain lswc at 1200 fps