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https://www.foxnews.com/tech/how-would-the-us-navy-stop-chinese-carrier-killer-anti-ship-missiles

By Kris Osborn | Warrior Maven

Should more agile, F-35-armed, faster-moving big-deck amphibious assault ships be used as mini-carriers?

Should future carriers be built smaller, faster, and less “targetable” by enemy missiles?

Perhaps future carriers will operate with massive new numbers of drone attack systems? Or maybe, despite the growing threat environment, big-deck, power-projecting, and intimidating U.S. Navy aircraft carriers are not going anywhere?

It would not be a stretch to posit that much if not all of these questions have, at least in part, been fueled by the existence of China’s DF-26B and DF-21D “carrier killer missiles.” These weapons, emerging in recent years, have framed or at least influenced ongoing debates about the future roles, missions, and planned attack envelopes of U.S. aircraft carriers.

These often-discussed anti-ship missiles can, according to recent Chinese-government-backed newspaper reports, “adjust trajectory” in-flight while detecting, tracking, and “locking on” enemy targets. Reinforcing these claims, a report in China’s Global Times says the missiles operate as part of an integrated network to include satellites, radar, reconnaissance assets and warships.


This may or may not be true, yet either way, the threat is significant.

China’s recent firing of both the DF-21D and DF-26B again brings this concern to the forefront. The weapons have an impressive range (over 1,500 kilometers in the case of the DF-21D and 4,000 kilometers in the case of the DF-26B), and if reports are accurate, are surely something to be concerned about.


SAN DIEGO (July 29, 2009) The aircraft carrier USS Nimitz (CVN 68) and embarked Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 11 transits into San Diego prior to mooring at Naval Air Station North Island (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class John Philip Wagner Jr.)

This all begs the question: are these missiles true “carrier killers?” Can they prevent carriers from operating safely within certain ranges? Will their existence truly change U.S. Navy plans for carriers? The Navy has done and continues to do, numerous assessments and analyses regarding these questions, yet a measure of debate and uncertainty still exists.

Naturally, many of the details pertaining to ship defenses are not available for security reasons, yet it is known that the U.S. Navy is making rapid progress building new high-tech ship defense systems. These include ongoing work to arm surface ships with precision-guided, power-scaled laser weapons able to optically track and then incinerate approaching targets at increasingly longer ranges. Ship-fired interceptor weapons, such as the SM-3, SM-6, Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile Block II, SeaRAM, Rolling AirFrame Missile and of course Close-in-Weapons System have existed for quite some time.


However, there have been several impactful changes in recent years, as these interceptors are much different than they were at their inception for several reasons. Virtually all of them have been upgraded in a substantial way; the SM-3 is being looked at for missile defense beyond the earth’s atmosphere, SM-6 now has dual-mode seeker able to adjust to moving targets in flight and the Block II ESSM variant can operate in sea-skimming mode to intercept lower-altitude targets flying parallel to the surface--all capabilities that can help negate various types of anti-ship weapons.

Also, perhaps of even greater significance, these layered defensive weapons are increasingly networked to one another and integrated with a common Command and Control system which enables fast target-sharing information, fire control synergy and nearly immediate target classification. As part of this, ship-based Command and Control is linked with aerial sensor nodes able to see approaching targets beyond the horizon and give commanders more time with which to determine a response.


Electronic warfare (EW) also figures prominently, especially given the current Navy effort to further connect Information Operations with EW weapons systems. This improves target awareness possibilities, networking and the technical sphere of EW attack possibilities. It could be that, with the help of advanced sensor innovations, ship-based EW systems could detect the electronic signature of an approaching anti-ship missile and “jam it,” “disable it” or simply throw its guidance systems off course.

-- Kris Osborn is the Managing Editor of Warrior Maven and The Defense Editor of The National Interest --


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Re: How would US Navy stop Chinese 'carrier killer' anti-ship missiles?
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2020, 11:25:42 AM »
A Russian military specialist recently had a video in which he discussed China vs the U.S. and said the U.S. would win short term and long term.

He said in a sea battle the U.S. carrier escorts would take the missles for the carrier just as done in WW II.

He said the U.S. carrier my suffer damage but still be usable while the Chinese carrier would be put out of action or sunk.

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Re: How would US Navy stop Chinese 'carrier killer' anti-ship missiles?
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2020, 05:34:33 PM »
We could threaten to send Joe Biden over there to China if they don't behave themselves.  That should do the trick.  If not--well at least we would be rid of him.  Oh, oh--I just thought of the ultimate threat; we could threaten to send Kamala Harris over there.  That should scare the Schift out of anyone.
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Re: How would US Navy stop Chinese 'carrier killer' anti-ship missiles?
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2020, 02:43:50 AM »
If Bunker Joe and Klamidia Harris are in charge there won't be a fight.
Joe and Klamidia will  just surrender.
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Re: How would US Navy stop Chinese 'carrier killer' anti-ship missiles?
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2020, 04:39:30 AM »
We could threaten to send Joe Biden over there to China if they don't behave themselves.  That should do the trick.  If not--well at least we would be rid of him.  Oh, oh--I just thought of the ultimate threat; we could threaten to send Kamala Harris over there.  That should scare the Schift out of anyone.
  ..And if that doesn't work, sic Nervous Nancy and Mad Maxine onto them..that will change their minds!

  Now for the vaunted "carrier killer" missiles..  How do we know they even exist?  When all is said & done, all we have is the CCP's word for it!  Now, does the CCP ever lie ?

  Even if such a thing does exist, there are already counters for it !

   https://www.wired.com/2012/03/killing-chinas-carrier-killer/

  JKust stop to think, when a government has some secretly developed weapon which is especially capable, they normally keep it under wraps, and not brag of it !  We have some remarkable weapons of which the public has no, or very little, knowledge.
  Besides, I don't think our scientists and/or top military are stupid..yet they don't fear this "missile", and are still building super carriers.
  Yes, with my limited information, I would rather see 4 assault/attack ships in place of one super carrier..but as I said, my information is limited..as is any other civilian or military, who doe snot have a "need to know".

 https://www.foxnews.com/tech/how-would-the-us-navy-stop-chinese-carrier-killer-anti-ship-missiles

  This, however is from the above article;

Naturally, many of the details pertaining to ship defenses are not available for security reasons, yet it is known that the U.S. Navy is making rapid progress building new high-tech ship defense systems. These include ongoing work to arm surface ships with precision-guided, power-scaled laser weapons able to optically track and then incinerate approaching targets at increasingly longer ranges. Ship-fired interceptor weapons, such as the SM-3, SM-6, Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile Block II, SeaRAM, Rolling AirFrame Missile and of course Close-in-Weapons System have existed for quite some time.
"They have the guns and therefore we are for peace and for reformation through the ballot. When we have the guns, then it will be through the bullet"      (Saul Alinsky) ...hero of the left..

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Re: How would US Navy stop Chinese 'carrier killer' anti-ship missiles?
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2020, 06:17:21 AM »
I was going to mention that our Navy has come a long way with Laser weapons and Lazer defence systems.
Even from orbiting focal satellites, no missile is going to be as fast as light. IG has already posted the story on that.   And don't forget about the Rail Guns they are super hypersonic also. We are way ahead of any other country in both of these systems.

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Re: How would US Navy stop Chinese 'carrier killer' anti-ship missiles?
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2020, 06:58:03 AM »
Carriers or any surface platform are indeed more vulnerable to the new generation surface to surface, air to surface or IRBM’s. A carriers biggest protection has always been its ability to move. If you can’t find it, you can’t target it.

But with satellites and drones providing real time targeting information to long range missiles with their own terminal seeking, the equation has changed. It’s hard not to think of how long range weapons (airplanes) obsoleted the battleship.

The US has a lot of new gear coming on line. Still some things don’t make any sense. Like when the USN was presented a prototype stealthy attack drone and they made into a tanker.

The navy secretary was recently quoted as wondering why it takes a $2 billion dollar hull to house 96 vertical launch cells.

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Re: How would US Navy stop Chinese 'carrier killer' anti-ship missiles?
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2020, 07:46:26 AM »
Space Plane, there are four of them two of them are in orbit as we speak. Satellite killers.

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Re: How would US Navy stop Chinese 'carrier killer' anti-ship missiles?
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2020, 01:43:35 PM »
Space Plane, there are four of them two of them are in orbit as we speak. Satellite killers.

  Here is where Pres Trump may have placed the US just about a "leg up" on any potential enemy..by forming the new "Space Force" !
"They have the guns and therefore we are for peace and for reformation through the ballot. When we have the guns, then it will be through the bullet"      (Saul Alinsky) ...hero of the left..