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How Tough Is Body Armor?
« on: October 03, 2020, 09:30:14 AM »


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Re: How Tough Is Body Armor?
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2020, 12:51:03 AM »
thats impressive but the man would be dead just from internal injurys!! I wondered too about the shape of that plate. seems if a bullet deflected it would channel it right toward your arms. We did some pentration testing at a few linebaugh seminars in cody. First year i was there i joined in with my 44 mag loaded with 340 ballisticast lfns at 1200fps. Only thing that beat it was a 475 shooting a 435 grain lfn and another 475 shooting a kelly shleps punch bullet which is about the same as that brass bullet in the video. Yup rifles were included too along with my #1 458 shooing hornady solids and kelly brosts 458 lott (dont remember what factory ammo he had but it was a round nosed solid) and believe it or not the 3 handguns beat the rifles. The 458 lott came in 3rd and my 458 came in 5th behind a 45 colt load. There was a guy there ( I forget his name now) that was from africa and did elephant culling. He said hes used all the big rifles and today uses a 475 with a brass bullet he machines himself. He said the power of a rifle is better on a charging animal but he mostly brain shot them and nothing he had shot out penetrated the honey combed like skull of an elephant like the 475. He said round nosed dangerous game ammo had a tendency to dive out of the animal at strange angles. Something we saw alot in penetration testing higher velocity stuff. Now all that said a 475 probably isnt going to smash those blocks behind it and the fact that plate stopped something like that is very impressive. Thankfully though not to many bad guys have 458s because it sure wouldnt make for a good day for anyone but the undertaker. 
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Re: How Tough Is Body Armor?
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2020, 02:48:49 AM »
I loaned one of my 50 Alaskans to a friend going on a elephant cull hunt in Africa. After penetration test he deamed it suitable with heavy tungestion bullets he had made up. He did kill a elephant with my gun, a cow.

I guess that was the beginning of the federal TSS turkey shot craze. We use federal #9 TSS shot in our 410 turkey guns to kill big gobblers out to 50 yards. Tungestion is very heavy for its size bullet or in shot form.
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Re: How Tough Is Body Armor?
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2020, 03:46:03 AM »
I still remember back years ago when we had a yearly shoot in MI organized by a guy here. I had my 50ak (dont have it anymore) They had about 50 one gallon milk jugs full of water. Guys were shooting them with 44s and 45s. It blow a hole through them and theyd jump a bit. I pulled out my 50ak loaded with a 480 lfn at about 2000fps and shot one and it went about 20 feet in the air. Jaws dropped and there was a line of guys who wanted to shoot one. Grown men giggling like little girls. Threres not an animal on earth that a 50ak couldnt harvest cleanly. Who made yours? Mine was done by reggie nonoman and i wasnt to impressed with some of his work. It took my buddy a couple weeks filing and fine tuning it to get it to run right and smooth.
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Re: How Tough Is Body Armor?
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2020, 11:32:19 AM »
The first 2 I had made were by Wild West guns in Anchorage. Nonoman made the third. The one I loaned a friend to take to Africa. I sold all three before I retired and moved back to my home state, Florida.

Jim West was fairly reasonable when he started reworking the marlin guide guns to shoot 50 Alaskan ammo. The first one I had him make was a pistol grip guide gun, blued finish. He rebarreled it and reworked the innards to be reliable and hard chromed the gun. I used mine in southeast Alaska where we had lots of rough seas and salt spray to contend with along with about 200” of rainfall annually. So we wore Healy Hanson rain gear and extra tough boots most of the time. Everything was wet a lot.

When the stainless guide guns came available I had Jim Wast build a straight gripped stainless co-pilot model for me. It separated into 2 pieces and was just about the slickes gun I ever had seen.

Then I heard about Noneman and liked the octagon barrels he used. We did have occasional feeding problems. But I still liked the gun. But in the end the Nonemam rifle was not reliable enough for a dangerous game gun. So I ended up selling it to my friend that barrowed it to take to Africa. When he came back he offered to buy it so I sold it to him.

Jim West eventually priced himself out of the market by the time I retired and left Alaska. But his guns were always reliable.
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Re: How Tough Is Body Armor?
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2020, 11:13:51 PM »
have a buddy who had one of those copilot take downs in 450. Very cool little gun.
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