Author Topic: I see pope francis is now pro fagg (Read 6755 times)

powderman · « **Reply #60 on:** October 29, 2020, 01:59:04 PM »

Quote from: RaySendero on October 29, 2020, 12:52:13 PM

Quote from: Lloyd Smale on October 28, 2020, 11:30:08 PM

For about the 20th time ill say the catholic church and the pope DO NOT condone homosexuality

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/21/926219084/pope-francis-calls-for-same-sex-civil-union-law-in-new-documentary

"Pope Francis has called for legislation to protect same-sex couples,
according to comments he made in a new documentary
that mark a break from Catholic doctrine.
Pope said; Homosexuals have a right to be a part of the family.
They are children of God and have a right to a family"

So he ain't condoning homosexuality ?!

RAY. YES, he is and evidently approves of islam and the godless ones allah. A couple of years ago he spoke out loudly against that godless cult islam, as ALL Christian leaders should be doing, I APPLAUDED him loudly. Then a head imam accused him of islamophobia. The pope couldn't apologize fast enough and accepted the imams invitation to pray in his mosque, which he quickly did. THEN being a gracious host to show he was NOT prejudiced against the muslim cult, invited the imam to ROME to pray with him in what was supposed to be a Holy site for all Catholics, in the Vatican. A chance to desecrate the Vatican?? You bet he jumped on it.

You who read the Bible pay attention to Revelations, a good start would be chapter 14 on through. I have identified the beasts, a certain church with millions of followers, and leaders. God said, COME OUT OF HER, giving his people another chance to repent.

I've read several booklets about the end times that have said what I have already seen in Rev. Link below, hope it works. CHARLIE.

www.TomorrowsWorld.org

ironglows · « **Reply #61 on:** October 29, 2020, 02:12:03 PM »

There is no clear indication that people are "born to be homosexual", any more than they are born to be an arsonist, a serial killer or a person who cuts their self with razor blades.
Each may well have had an experience in life that led them that way..drugs, childhood sexual assault by a trusted adult, self hatred, or some other reason.
If the pope had said we must protect the homosexuals, and let it go like that, it would be understandable, since anyone with a mental deficiency should not be attacked for that reason alone. Now, if they are caught trying to corrupt a child or teenager, that would be a different problem.
So far as "civil unions", that is like placing a positive spin on bulimia, when what the person needs, is help !

Another thing, which I mentioned earlier..a misunderstanding that many have... that being that we are not all the "children of God"! We all are the creation of God, but not a child of God, unless we make a positive move to claim that position.

11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:11-13)

Dee · « **Reply #62 on:** October 29, 2020, 02:21:16 PM »

Quote from: ironglows on October 29, 2020, 02:12:03 PM

Another thing, which I mentioned earlier..a misunderstanding that many have... that being that we are not all the "children of God"! We all are the creation of God, but not a child of God, unless we make a positive move to claim that position.

11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:11-13)

All true, however. I don't believe for a second tha all Catholics agree with this latest apostic stance taken by a truly spiritually corrupt pope.

And this Pope is what this thread is about.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #63 on:** October 29, 2020, 11:45:52 PM »

dont think God cares where a man prays. You can pray sitting on the toliet taking a dump if you want. Like i said its his job to lead people to Christ not Judge them like you do. Im sure hed kneel in a pile of crap if he thought it would show someone that Christianity isnt evil. YOU sure are alot more Judgmental then Jesus was!!! You claim to believe in him and the bible and act the polar opposite. Jesus prayed in jewish temples too didnt he??? You want to were the badge Christian when its convenient or is ammo for your hate filled posts but are no more of one then you are a Martian! You dont even try!!!

Quote from: powderman on October 29, 2020, 01:59:04 PM

Quote from: RaySendero on October 29, 2020, 12:52:13 PM
Quote from: Lloyd Smale on October 28, 2020, 11:30:08 PM

For about the 20th time ill say the catholic church and the pope DO NOT condone homosexuality

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/21/926219084/pope-francis-calls-for-same-sex-civil-union-law-in-new-documentary

"Pope Francis has called for legislation to protect same-sex couples,
according to comments he made in a new documentary
that mark a break from Catholic doctrine.
Pope said; Homosexuals have a right to be a part of the family.
They are children of God and have a right to a family"

So he ain't condoning homosexuality ?!

RAY. YES, he is and evidently approves of islam and the godless ones allah. A couple of years ago he spoke out loudly against that godless cult islam, as ALL Christian leaders should be doing, I APPLAUDED him loudly. Then a head imam accused him of islamophobia. The pope couldn't apologize fast enough and accepted the imams invitation to pray in his mosque, which he quickly did. THEN being a gracious host to show he was NOT prejudiced against the muslim cult, invited the imam to ROME to pray with him in what was supposed to be a Holy site for all Catholics, in the Vatican. A chance to desecrate the Vatican?? You bet he jumped on it.

You who read the Bible pay attention to Revelations, a good start would be chapter 14 on through. I have identified the beasts, a certain church with millions of followers, and leaders. God said, COME OUT OF HER, giving his people another chance to repent.

I've read several booklets about the end times that have said what I have already seen in Rev. Link below, hope it works. CHARLIE.

www.TomorrowsWorld.org

Doublebass73 · « **Reply #64 on:** October 30, 2020, 02:21:19 AM »

Quote from: Lloyd Smale on October 28, 2020, 11:13:09 PM

I dont pretend to be the PERFECT Christian or pretend to understand what every scripture means. I dont know if my beliefs are infallible. matter of fact id bet there not. I dont call people skum bags because they disagree with my beliefs but my church IS my family and if you come for them you come for me. But then you and your but buddy never shy away from attacking ANYTHING catholic or for that matter me. Both of you just happen to show up at about every post i start looking for conflict. Lucky for me your both easy work. Why? Because most non Christians dont understand Christianity to begin with and like you just have hate to argue with. Hate is just one notch up from insanity. It doesn't use intelligence or reason it uses just emotion .
Quote from: Doublebass73 on October 28, 2020, 01:23:30 AM
Quote from: Lloyd Smale on October 27, 2020, 02:38:44 AM
whatever. Twist it any way you like. Your opinion of me doesnt mean a pinch of crap. Matter of fact when people who think like you come at me I take it as a compliment. Now you have to deal with one more of us evil catholics as a surpreme court justice. Now she WILL effect your life!! Maybe you can join shummer and pelosi in there disgust about that You keep doing your part to split up and weaken Christianity and the morals in this country. Like mule i doubt you even go to a church because you didnt learn that hate in ANY Christian church or by reading ANYTHING in the bible. Might want to go back and find out exactly what Jesus taught. It would be an eye opener for some of you.

Most of my family is catholic, I have no issues with catholics. Just the church itself.

I find it extremely hypocritical for someone who says this in reference to sexual abuse by catholic priests to lecture others on the teachings of Jesus:

"I think they may have banged a few here. Why else would you be so full of hate. Either that our your upset they didnt choose you "
Lloyd Smale

Is that what Jesus taught Lloyd?

Now you're going to play the victim? You need serious mental help.

powderman · « **Reply #65 on:** October 30, 2020, 05:16:24 AM »

dont think God cares where a man prays. You can pray sitting on the toliet taking a dump if you want. Like i said its his job to lead people to Christ not Judge them like you do. Im sure hed kneel in a pile of crap if he thought it would show someone that Christianity isnt evil. YOU sure are alot more Judgmental then Jesus was!!! You claim to believe in him and the bible and act the polar opposite. Jesus prayed in jewish temples too didnt he??? You want to were the badge Christian when its convenient or is ammo for your hate filled posts but are no more of one then you are a Martian! You dont even try!!! quote]

Lloyd. That's just about the most totally ignorant and disrespectful post you have ever made. Condoning sin and homosexuality is NOT even attempting to lead anybody to Jesus any more than praying in a den of satan or inviting satan to pray in the Vatican. When God told his people to come out of her, he was talking about a false church and religion. He was, and is giving ALL mankind a chance to repent and receive salvation.
Where does it say that It is GODS job to being us to him?? Not in any Christian scripture I've ever read. CHARLIE.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #66 on:** October 30, 2020, 05:34:54 AM »

You know all i hear is blah blah blah hate blah blah blah catholic blah blah blah ive got a little ____ and have a tiny church that's really a cult that promotes hate and prejudice and will be there to help the librerals put the last nail in the coffin of Christianity. I hear you! I hear you say that you should act exactly the opposite of the way Jesus and the bible tells us we must. Comical thing is you really think your going to get into heaven. We had one GOOD Christian on this fourm. Team Nelson. You guys chased him off because he wouldn't buy into your hate filled phony Christian act. You chased off Jehovah witnesses that wouldnt bow to you. You couldn't even keep a religion section because the moderators tried sanctioning posts. Bottom line is theres not two of you here that wouldnt do the exact same thing those moderators did. You have egos so big there's not a building in the world that would hold them. You REALLY think you have it figured out when in fact you dont even have a clue. The catholic church isnt your enemy and isnt going to keep you out of heaven. You are your OWN enemies and insure about daily that God sees your hate and prejudice. Id bet some of you figure on going there and straightening him out too. Truth be told your afraid of the catholic church just like your afraid of homosexuals. you live your lives in fear and hatred. Comical thing is two days from now youll be attacking each other. Lets hear some more blah blah blah hate blah blah blah hate. Maybe venting on me will keep you from beating up your wife or makes you feel like a man. Like i said theres sure a hell of alot more people in the world today that believe what i do then the few redneck haters and cultists we have hear. Just entertainment. You guys make me smile every day. Still havent heard an answer why theres NEVER a post about morman pedophiles. Or if were talking homosexuals, why some protestant faiths except it so freely they allow openly gay pastors?

Like the methodists and the Presbyterians. WHY are your bashing them every day here?? Some protestant churches even turn a blind eye to abortion??? Why most liberal christians go to protestant churches and hate the catholics just like you. As to the hierarchy being guilty i guess you have me. that tiny cult you belong to doesnt have enough people that believe the same to have a hierrchy. Probably not enough for even a second church. Why your second reformation church doesnt even agree with the other protestants??

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #67 on:** October 30, 2020, 07:41:58 AM »

now you tell me where in those words you found condoning of homosexuality. By your words in YOUR post we should all be jewish because they were Gods chosen people in the old testement. Or was he wrong about that too?

Quote from: powderman on October 30, 2020, 05:16:24 AM

dont think God cares where a man prays. You can pray sitting on the toliet taking a dump if you want. Like i said its his job to lead people to Christ not Judge them like you do. Im sure hed kneel in a pile of crap if he thought it would show someone that Christianity isnt evil. YOU sure are alot more Judgmental then Jesus was!!! You claim to believe in him and the bible and act the polar opposite. Jesus prayed in jewish temples too didnt he??? You want to were the badge Christian when its convenient or is ammo for your hate filled posts but are no more of one then you are a Martian! You dont even try!!! quote]

Lloyd. That's just about the most totally ignorant and disrespectful post you have ever made. Condoning sin and homosexuality is NOT even attempting to lead anybody to Jesus any more than praying in a den of satan or inviting satan to pray in the Vatican. When God told his people to come out of her, he was talking about a false church and religion. He was, and is giving ALL mankind a chance to repent and receive salvation.
Where does it say that It is GODS job to being us to him?? Not in any Christian scripture I've ever read. CHARLIE.

Argent 88 · « **Reply #68 on:** October 30, 2020, 08:50:41 AM »

Ok, this pope is a bad pope, he certainly wouldn't be the first one. The church can toss a pope out, it's happened before. Lloyd, your other two post were a bit dramatic towards the protestants on this site. Making you sound just like you say they are? Let them say what they want to say, if that's what they want to say.
It's only an internet message board. It isn't going to change your life or enrich it one way of the other.
Only one man can do that, so focus on him. And not what others say.

oldandslow · « **Reply #69 on:** October 30, 2020, 12:50:36 PM »

Time to get a new horse to beat on. This one is down to few bones and shreds of skin.

powderman · « **Reply #70 on:** October 30, 2020, 02:44:40 PM »

Quote from: oldandslow on October 30, 2020, 12:50:36 PM

Time to get a new horse to beat on. This one is down to few bones and shreds of skin.

OS. Not sure, I see some new stuff that has come to the surface. He has never learned that when in a hole to stop digging. My purpose is to see OTHERS eyes opened, not his, because we are rapidly approaching the end of the road. When God said, COME OUT OF HER, he was not talking about a city or town, he was talking about a false Church.
God is warning us daily to come to him while we can. Look around, see what's going on in the world, in our cities, etc. Too many are not paying attention. God gives us free will to choose right or wrong, good or evil, Heaven or hell. We must choose wisely my friends. CHARLIE.

Bob Riebe · « **Reply #71 on:** October 30, 2020, 07:06:22 PM »

Quote from: oldandslow on October 30, 2020, 12:50:36 PM

Time to get a new horse to beat on. This one is down to few bones and shreds of skin.

BRAVO

!

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #72 on:** October 30, 2020, 11:49:14 PM »

been saying that for 5 years. Religion causes more arguments and bad feelings on this fourm then all the other topics combined. This is an outdoors fourm and some spend 3/4s of there time on here arguing politics and religion. Only part of that that should even be discussed on here is 2nd amemendement politics. Want to talk religion? Go to a religion forum. Im sure theres tons of places where you can bash catholics in peace. But then youd be posting with people that actually know religion and know the bible and actually try to act Christian . Not the wanabes we have here.

Quote from: oldandslow on October 30, 2020, 12:50:36 PM

Time to get a new horse to beat on. This one is down to few bones and shreds of skin.

RaySendero · « **Reply #73 on:** October 31, 2020, 02:53:01 AM »

Quote from: Lloyd Smale on October 29, 2020, 11:45:52 PM

..... YOU sure are alot more Judgmental then Jesus was!!! You claim to believe in him and the bible and act the polar opposite......or is ammo for your hate filled posts but are no more of one then you are a Martian!

Ain't that the pot calling the kettle black!
Your being judgmental Lloyd!

Dee · « **Reply #74 on:** October 31, 2020, 03:21:05 AM »

Women just over 5' tall are usually considered petite, unless of course they are 5' wide.

Men, and boys on the other hand that barely hit the 5' mark (maybe 5'3" in boots) usually develope an attitude, and take EVERYTHING personal. They yell at everybody, and are very thin skinned.
I have an uncle like that. Hes 5' 4" and fights (verbally) with everybody. Even his grown kids. One of which is his spitting image, and always in trouble with the law.

Could be though, this topic has to do with the Pope (who is only 5' 7" tall), but maybe not.
The Pope (the ACTUAL TOPIC OF THIS THREAD), has indeed lost his way, even some cardinals are perplexed, but its news that affects millions, even including those vertically challenged.

Napoleon was short.

powderman · « **Reply #75 on:** October 31, 2020, 05:53:37 AM »

Our Pastors, Preachers are supposed to be our Shepherds, satan knows if he can get the Shepherd, the flock will follow. A bad Shepherd can lead millions of souls to hell. Condoning sin is always wrong. CHARLIE.

oldandslow · « **Reply #76 on:** October 31, 2020, 08:01:19 AM »

Quote from: Lloyd Smale on October 30, 2020, 11:49:14 PM

been saying that for 5 years. Religion causes more arguments and bad feelings on this fourm then all the other topics combined. This is an outdoors fourm and some spend 3/4s of there time on here arguing politics and religion. Only part of that that should even be discussed on here is 2nd amemendement politics. Want to talk religion? Go to a religion forum. Im sure theres tons of places where you can bash catholics in peace. But then youd be posting with people that actually know religion and know the bible and actually try to act Christian . Not the wanabes we have here.
Quote from: oldandslow on October 30, 2020, 12:50:36 PM
Time to get a new horse to beat on. This one is down to few bones and shreds of skin.

With 17, maybe I lost count, posts on this subject I believe you are one of the major contributors to thumping this particular horse into almost nothing. Maybe you should take that five year opinion into consideration.

Dee · « **Reply #77 on:** October 31, 2020, 06:24:14 PM »

[quote author=oldandslow
Time to get a new horse to beat

With 17, maybe I lost count, posts on this subject I believe you are one of the major contributors to thumping this particular horse into almost nothing. Maybe you should take that five year opinion into consideration.
[/quote]

Well let's see,
Me-9
Mule-10
Oldandslow-3
Ironglows-4
Powderman-9
Argent-6
Doublebass-7
Graybeard-3
Raysendero-3
Bob-4
Geezerbider-2
Two-blocked-2
Neckisred-1

??-19

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #78 on:** November 01, 2020, 01:12:37 AM »

then why do you and others come here judging for GOD which is clearly a sin! Make that 17!! Now lets add up the number of those posts that were nothing but a personal attack on me or baiting. That would leave probably 3 or 4 posts.

Is exactly why ive said since the beginning that religion on here is poison! All it does is cause fights and make enemy's. but then i guess its a nessisary evil to keep this place alive because probably a 1/3 of the posts are these kind of hate fests and many here ONLY post on political and religion topics are at least 99 percent of your total posts.

Couple good reasons for that too. First you could NEVER hold your own on an actual christian sight where people actually know the bible. Youd be called out for being a phony the first day there. Second is the fact ive been here long enough to know that most of the ones in these battles arent avid hunters or shooters or handloaders and whos idea of outdoors is mowing the lawn. Probably been YEARS since you actually went hunting. bunch of bitter old men that are so full of hate they even have to use GOD and the BIBLE to justify it. That try to run off anyone that doesnt hate just like them! SAD!! The real question is WHY did you come here in the first place?? When i came here this fourm was about hunting shooting fishing and the outdoors. Everyone got along. Id bet bill would even attest to that.

Then came the poison. This forum became more about religion and politics then outdoors. Moderators were assigned to those forums and ran them like stalin! One of them right here in this thread! They were linched by others that organized gangs and had the moderators replaced by themselves that turned around and did the exact same thing. Finally it came to a point that Bill couldnt even have a moderator on them. he had to baby sit them himself. Now theres a great example of some Christian behavior. So they ran off everyone they didnt like or agree with. Some great ones like team nelson. So the section was eliminated and a new bible study section was started. Moderated by the same Gestapo that said it was his way or the highway and those same guys that were in his crew that attacked others had weeded it down to only them. So what did they do? Turn on each other! Why?? because there egos just wont allow for any beliefs but there own.

Now what happens. They post religion in the politics section pretending its news when in fact its just there way to twist things to attack what there afraid of. I can take about any topic about any church and find something on the internet thats bad. I showed you in this post when I found NEWS that showed other churches do the same. Didnt much matter though because you didnt even look because truth isnt what your looking for here. HATE is. Comical how that thread about baptists died a quick death and the catholic one is still going strong!! Bunch of scared little men play make believe on the internet! Satan already has his flock. Now you guys can take the gloves off and fight amongst yourselves again to see whos his #1. One things for dammed sure this post sure wasnt started as an news topic!!!!!! It was started to do EXACTLY what it did. Sad thing is even when Bill makes rules the haters here find a way to skirt them and hardly miss a beat.

Quote from: powderman on October 31, 2020, 05:53:37 AM

Our Pastors, Preachers are supposed to be our Shepherds, satan knows if he can get the Shepherd, the flock will follow. A bad Shepherd can lead millions of souls to hell. Condoning sin is always wrong. CHARLIE.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #79 on:** November 01, 2020, 01:22:22 AM »

what ive found out in life is its the big guys that are usually the easiest to take. They spent there lives relying on there size to scare off people and have rarely even needed to actually go toe to toe with someone and those 5'7" guys that call there bluff end up standing tall over them laying on the floor. But then this is exactly how insane these posts get. Trying to decide of the pope could with a street fight?

Last i heard not many popes or bishops are elected because of there size or ability to bar fight! Now we have a new bunch to hate on here. Short people!!!!! Vertically challenged

Quote from: Dee on October 31, 2020, 03:21:05 AM

Women just over 5' tall are usually considered petite, unless of course they are 5' wide.

Men, and boys on the other hand that barely hit the 5' mark (maybe 5'3" in boots) usually develope an attitude, and take EVERYTHING personal. They yell at everybody, and are very thin skinned.
I have an uncle like that. Hes 5' 4" and fights (verbally) with everybody. Even his grown kids. One of which is his spitting image, and always in trouble with the law.

Could be though, this topic has to do with the Pope (who is only 5' 7" tall), but maybe not.
The Pope (the ACTUAL TOPIC OF THIS THREAD), has indeed lost his way, even some cardinals are perplexed, but its news that affects millions, even including those vertically challenged.

Napoleon was short.

ironglows · « **Reply #80 on:** November 01, 2020, 02:51:33 AM »

From Dee;
" Women just over 5' tall are usually considered petite, unless of course they are 5' wide.

Men, and boys on the other hand that barely hit the 5' mark (maybe 5'3" in boots) usually develope an attitude, and take EVERYTHING personal. They yell at everybody, and are very thin skinned.
I have an uncle like that. Hes 5' 4" and fights (verbally) with everybody. Even his grown kids. One of which is his spitting image, and always in trouble with the law."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Just for general info.. That is a well known phenomena.. It is called, the "Napoleon" complex, since many believe that Napoleon Bonaparte was driven by his diminutive size..

The same complex often drive a man to drive the biggest, fastest car or truck..and in some few cases, convinces him to acquire a big wife, apparently to make up for his own size challenge..

Sorry.. that I drifted from the OP... but then, perhaps it took some of the steam out of the thread.

oldandslow · « **Reply #81 on:** November 01, 2020, 02:53:41 AM »

OK, I'm going to make my third and final post in this mess. I have seen quite a few people that are bound and determined to have the last word but none as determined as you, Lloyd. Also please notice that I have mentioned not one word about religion in my three posts, only about dead horses. Bye, now.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #82 on:** November 01, 2020, 03:17:05 AM »

and I attacked you where??? So we both will end here and lets see who ends this with the last word

Maybe just saying that will end this bs but i seriously doubt it

But if it does, its stopped the hate, and that will be a victory for God.

Quote from: oldandslow on November 01, 2020, 02:53:41 AM

OK, I'm going to make my third and final post in this mess. I have seen quite a few people that are bound and determined to have the last word but none as determined as you, Lloyd. Also please notice that I have mentioned not one word about religion in my three posts, only about dead horses. Bye, now.

Graybeard · « **Reply #83 on:** November 01, 2020, 04:22:09 AM »

I'm going to end it. Lloyd I dunno what your problem is recently but you have made more personal attacks in this thread and the one you started as a result of this one than anyone or even everyone else posting to them.

When someone says something about the catholic church it isn't an attack on you. Especially when all they are doing is talking about a story that's a big one in the national news at the time.

It's wrong no matter what church does or allows it. Can't we just agree on that and stop the personal attacks.

powderman · « **Reply #84 on:** November 03, 2020, 06:24:38 PM »

https://www.christianheadlines.com/contributors/michael-foust/pope-francis-opposes-same-sex-marriage-and-was-taken-out-of-context-in-film-vatican-says.html

Francis reexplains himself after getting in trouble with his constituents. CHARLIE.

Dee · « **Reply #85 on:** November 03, 2020, 11:11:07 PM »

Perhaps the walking back by the Vatican is caused from from the Cardinal uprising.
He (the pope) personally has not walked back what he said.

ironglows · « **Reply #86 on:** November 04, 2020, 01:02:12 AM »

Indeed it is a Quixotic move to call all homosexuals, or indeed all people, "children of God", when the Bible makes it very clear that we are not children of God, but can become His children, if we make the move to come under his authority and Lordship !
The pope must know what the Bible says! Frankly; I see this extra-biblical announcement as a mild case of rebellion (which we all are guilty of whenever we sin).

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: (John 1:12)]

Or, if one prefers....

12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— (John 1:12 NIV)

Oh, it may be kindly and diplomatic, to say we are all children of God, but we should not say that if it disagrees with God's word. Similar to Joe saying he is a "good Catholic"..but he backs abortion.