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German Catholic Minn.
« on: December 21, 2020, 03:14:43 PM »
I am now watching a show on PBS about mid-Minnesota and an area, look up Albany and draw a forty, plus or minus  mile circle around it, where back in the early nineteen hundreds if you moved into this area, you learned to speak German, it was not voluntary.
It is mainly on the alcohol drinking tradition of Germans and why this area was a major producer of moon shine during prohibition.

The variety of corn called Minnesota 13, was the variety that was used that was developed to grow in Minnesota's cold climate.
I did not know that one hundred years ago, that growing corn in Minnesota was mostly a failure due to climate, though back then winters were far, far, far harder than they have been for all but a few of the past thirty years.

Though I remember well the ones that were like the days gone by were strong reminders with sub-zero being sub -30 and some years it did not get above zero, including daytime, days in a row.

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Re: German Catholic Minn.
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2020, 05:05:10 PM »
Minnesota is a vast frozen wasteland where eskimos and other unwashed people live.
And when they retire they move to the Deep South and bring their politics (see Georgia runoff) with them.
The south should secede from the union and build a border wall on our north boundary to match the one to our south.
So, did the Germans do bodily harm if you spoke English??
And was their “shine” that much better than say, East Tennessee??
I’m guessing here, but I’d say that their shine was consumed locally, whereas Tennessee shine was distributed as far away as NYC until some of Ironglows neighbors learned to make better whiskey. ;D
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Re: German Catholic Minn.
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2020, 05:54:55 PM »
No, in abstract, Capone and his minions were regular visitors during prohibition:  Crooks’ haven: The gangster era in St. Paul

https://www.minnpost.com/mnopedia/2015/11/crooks-haven-gangster-era-st-paul/

Minnesota moonshine was some of the best during prohibition.
There was a triangle that ran from St. Paul to St. Louis to Chicago.
The show said the one Moonshiner was paid 4 dollars a gallon and had a boy run the booze to pick-up point because he was only 14, no one paid attention to him,  but they watched his grandfather with suspicion.
The boy got 10 cents a gallon from the grand father.
After Prohibition ended , there were no legal distilleries formed here. Germans preferred beer and a LOT of breweries opened/reopened with most lasting through the fifties when large breweries ability to afford a lot of TV commercials the smaller ones could not caused all but a very few to close by the end of the seventies.

Bugs you know nothing of Minnesota. The national and even local empty heads always babble about how Minn. is so Scandjnavian but for every Nordic person here there are 3 Germans.
There was an invisible line between Albany and my home town where it switched from German Lutherans, before current synods, and German Roman Catholics.
Bodily harm, if you did not speak German you ended up talking to yourself as MOST people did not any speak English .
My sigs. Father , who was the same age as my Father , and grew up in that area, did not learn English till 8th grade when the Country schools closed as no English was spoken in those schools.

You boys down there have zero idea of how Northern European this area, including Wisc. and Iowa was.
Through the seventies if you went to a bar, hardware store or even auto garage, it was common to find older folks speaking strictly in some Northern European tongue, plus they spoke English with genuine European accent.
My mother and Father both spoke German but one spoke High German and the other Low German so they could not speak to each other in German.
A small town nine miles East of my home town , the town was split between those who spoke Polish and Bohemian German dialect.

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Re: German Catholic Minn.
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2020, 02:43:09 AM »
But you Minnesooodans know all about the south.  ::)
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Re: German Catholic Minn.
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2020, 03:59:03 AM »
But you Minnesooootans know all about the south.  ::)


They know it's warmer there in the winter... :o
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Re: German Catholic Minn.
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2020, 04:48:09 AM »
But you Minnesooootans know all about the south.  ::)
I know only as much about growing up in the South as is written here by those who did.
The Knob Creek Machine Gun shoot is as far South (East) as I have been and I have been in Dallas , Tx, which is now , many years later where my Sig's. one niece lives.
I do not really know where one draws the boundaries for the South  vs. not South.
North to those who grew up here is the States along the North border, not counting anything West of Idaho.
The area I grew up in used to be called the five State area, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota and the Dakotas, but now, even the NRA, puts a dividing line at Dakota Borders, removing that from the Mid-West.
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Re: German Catholic Minn.
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2020, 05:19:02 AM »
But you Minnesooootans know all about the south.  ::)
I said I knew a lot about the South where?
As to what snow birds do in the South that Bugs had a snit-fit about, not my problem nor the point of this thread. :-*

I know only as much about growing up in the South as is written here by those who did.
The Knob Creek Machine Gun shoot is as far South (East) as I have been and I have been in Dallas , Tx, which is now , many years later where my Sig's. one niece lives.
I do not really know where you draw the boundaries for the South  vs. not South.
North to those who grew up here is the States along the North border, not counting anything West of Idaho.
The area I grew up in used to be called the five State area, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota and the Dakotas, but now, even the NRA, puts a dividing line at Dakota Borders, removing that from the Mid-West.
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  I think that for the most part, the "midwest" frame of mind, goes well beyond any state borders, and is not governed by state borders. An accurate map would look more like a dalmation's hide, with the black spots being the cities being leftist enclaves, ..And that includes the cities in the traditional midwest. That mind frame is very present where I live in western NY State...outside of the cities, of course.
  Now, for the "shine" part...  "I’m guessing here, but I’d say that their shine was consumed locally, whereas Tennessee shine was distributed as far away as NYC until some of Ironglows neighbors learned to make better whiskey."  NY has not been a dry state, outside of the prohibition days, so other than that era, shine is not a profitable deal.
  However, during the prohibition, apparently they were busy here as well.  I heard stories of city folk making "bathtub gin", apparently somehow, the family bathtub was employed in the manufacture.
   I understand that the woods did harbor some stills, but apparently not so much as to require a invasion by "revenuers"!
   I understand that many did see the depression through, by making some money from that .  My wife's grandmother confessed to stirring up some, during those years.  Of Pennsylvania Dutch extraction, she never imbibed, but it did help the feeding and care of several children.  Grandpa worked hard, but still didn't make much during the depression.

  The south:
   I have always lived primarily in the north, but also lived some years in the south.  I learned to love the south a much as my original northern roots. There are some very nice things about the south..except for bugs, chiggers and fire ants!  ;)  ;D
  I appreciate the culture where we address each other as 'sir' and 'maam'..and I still do it regularly wherever I go.  It is one of the secrets of the south, to start children out that way,,,should be mandatory for children everywhere, when addressing adults.
   Where many northern folks go astray, is where they think that the occasional slower speech, means a slower thought process.  That is their first mistake!  Southern wisdom is not so outspoken as here, and until you understand the subtle way of ridicule, you may be getting burned and not even know it !
    Too often, northern folks tend to be overbearing and think they are more clever than the locals.  That does happen, but it may just be the lefties from the northern cities, since they have that same attitude around here, once they leave their concrete jungles.
   Best advice for northern folks going south...you have one mouth...and two ears, try to listen twice as often as you talk...at least for then first couple months, until you get the hang of it .
  Same if the reverse were the case, I suspect..
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Re: German Catholic Minn.
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2020, 09:08:57 AM »
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  Where many northern folks go astray, is where they think that the occasional slower speech, means a slower thought process.  That is their first mistake!  Southern wisdom is not so outspoken as here, and until you understand the subtle way of ridicule, you may be getting burned and not even know it !

I learned that too. I worked for an MIT research and development project and one of the chief RF engineers was from Texas and spoke much slower than us Yankees. To the untrained Yankee they may have thought he was uneducated because of the slow speech but I became friends with him because we both loved old muscle cars and had a lot in common. Working with him I quickly realized he was quite brilliant so I learned to never judge intelligence based on accent or speech patterns. The locals where I live now also have a slower way of talking, I've learned to appreciate it.
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Re: German Catholic Minn.
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2020, 09:17:27 AM »
See there Bob, it’s so cold there that your sense of humor froze up and fell off.

As for my knowledge about about Germans and whiskey, it’s called artistic license when you are poking somebody with a stick.  ;D ;D 8) ;)
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Re: German Catholic Minn.
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2020, 10:51:57 AM »
See there Bob, it’s so cold there that your sense of humor froze up and fell off.
As for my knowledge about about Germans and whiskey, it’s called artistic license when you are poking somebody with a stick.  ;D ;D 8) ;)
Arsonist license my foot but, OK, I will not fire up the furnace  used when some one makes trouble. :o

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Re: German Catholic Minn.
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2020, 11:01:20 AM »
Its called sarcasm Bob. It was a joke Bob. I was kiddin Bob. I was just funnin ya Bob.
When I spelled  Minnesota "Minnesoooda" I thought everyone would get it it. I forgot there was some "tothabone" yankees in the gallery.
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Re: German Catholic Minn.
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2020, 08:54:47 AM »
Its called sarcasm Bob. It was a joke Bob. I was kiddin Bob. I was just funnin ya Bob.
When I spelled  Minnesota "Minnesoooda" I thought everyone would get it it. I forgot there was some "tothabone" yankees in the gallery.
LOL ;D
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