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Vaccine update
« on: January 28, 2021, 09:22:02 AM »
I'd like to give an update on the recent thread about the covid vaccine. At the time I posted that my daughter who works at a hospital received her 1st vaccine shot and had no adverse reactions. Well, I talked to her today and she just received her 2nd vaccine shot. Here's what she reported to me:

She has a fever, body aches and chills that are so bad she can't stand up for more than a few minutes at a time. She keeps vomiting as well. She had to call out sick from work. She is a healthy 22 year old. She said they warned her that the 2nd shot would knock her down.
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Re: Vaccine update
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2021, 09:55:43 AM »
   My 86 yo  mother is schedule to get her  vaccine  next week .  She believes  anything  her doctors tell her . Guess will see firsthand .

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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2021, 12:04:54 PM »
I know a guy who is a paramedic, and him, and his group have had the first shot. He told me those that have got the second one have had adverse reactions to it. Body aches, fever, upset stomach, headaches, etc.
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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2021, 12:38:50 PM »
So. Get sick as hell. So you won’t get a little sick? Makes sense to me. Sign me up for that one Johnny. Here is the clincher. You are taking these shots to protect me. I am taking these shots to protect you. Wait for it. It’s coming... sound familiar?

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Re: Vaccine update
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2021, 12:48:24 PM »
It makes for an easy decision for me not to get the vaccine.
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Re: Vaccine update
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2021, 03:53:50 PM »
I'm certainly not getting it, and I'm telling everyone I know not to get it. 

This link to a video is a Dr. that is talking about covid and the vaccine. Its about 30 minutes long, but I think some good info.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRSyDp3PTQs
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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2021, 05:16:21 PM »
Now I think all dummycratics (communists) should go to the head of the line for the vaccine.  For me, I think I will overdose on vitamin D and C and Zink and...uuhhh, maybe a half a bottle of multi-vites every other day.
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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2021, 01:22:18 AM »
When did we ever hear any of the so called medical experts in government tell people to do what they can to support their immune system?  Like taking some Vitamin D, C, zinc, and getting enough sleep. Can't say that I have heard any of them say that. It was always wear your mask, and stay home until the vaccine comes.  The transvestite health secretary from Pa. never once mentioned how to keep your immune system healthy. Just no money in that, and of course people can't be controlled as easy if they don't have fear of dying, or getting sick from covid.
I saw another doctor that gave a lengthy speech on covid and the vaccine. She talked about how vaccines for this type of virus never worked.  In animal trials for other viruses of this type, they gave the animal a vaccine, then when the animal came in contact with the virus in the wild it died. She went on to say that this is a possibility with this vaccine. They just don't know enough about it,   
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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2021, 02:09:15 AM »
When did we ever hear any of the so called medical experts in government tell people to do what they can to support their immune system?  Like taking some Vitamin D, C, zinc, and getting enough sleep. Can't say that I have heard any of them say that. It was always wear your mask, and stay home until the vaccine comes.  The transvestite health secretary from Pa. never once mentioned how to keep your immune system healthy. Just no money in that, and of course people can't be controlled as easy if they don't have fear of dying, or getting sick from covid.
I saw another doctor that gave a lengthy speech on covid and the vaccine. She talked about how vaccines for this type of virus never worked.  In animal trials for other viruses of this type, they gave the animal a vaccine, then when the animal came in contact with the virus in the wild it died. She went on to say that this is a possibility with this vaccine. They just don't know enough about it,

Another thing that the "health experts" haven't mentioned is that the majority of people dying from Covid are people who don't take care of themselves. Obese people, diabetics, etc. (who knew  that there were consequences to not taking care of yourself). These "health experts" should be preaching for people to make life changes and get healthy but there's no money to be made from that either.
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2021, 04:11:07 AM »
When did we ever hear any of the so called medical experts in government tell people to do what they can to support their immune system?  Like taking some Vitamin D, C, zinc, and getting enough sleep. Can't say that I have heard any of them say that. It was always wear your mask, and stay home until the vaccine comes.  The transvestite health secretary from Pa. never once mentioned how to keep your immune system healthy. Just no money in that, and of course people can't be controlled as easy if they don't have fear of dying, or getting sick from covid.
I saw another doctor that gave a lengthy speech on covid and the vaccine. She talked about how vaccines for this type of virus never worked.  In animal trials for other viruses of this type, they gave the animal a vaccine, then when the animal came in contact with the virus in the wild it died. She went on to say that this is a possibility with this vaccine. They just don't know enough about it,

Another thing that the "health experts" haven't mentioned is that the majority of people dying from Covid are people who don't take care of themselves. Obese people, diabetics, etc. (who knew  that there were consequences to not taking care of yourself). These "health experts" should be preaching for people to make life changes and get healthy but there's no money to be made from that either.

Absolutely! The so called health experts are not really health experts in the sense that they help people, but more just government lap dogs.    I had heard someone reporting data directly from the CDC that 94% of the people that died from covid had an average of 2.9 comorbiditys.  So just think how many had 4,5,6, or more comorbiditys.
  Of all the deaths they continue to list from covid to keep the masses frightened, only 6% died from covid. The rest died with covid due to other health issues.  Number of deaths due to things like diabetes, heart disease, pneumonia, kidney disease, regular flu, etc...being way down proves that.  So if someone has heart disease and they die with covid, its certainly listed as a covid death.  Also there was big money involved for hospitals and such, for listing deaths as covid or even saying someone has covid.   
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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2021, 04:40:53 PM »
When did we ever hear any of the so called medical experts in government tell people to do what they can to support their immune system?  Like taking some Vitamin D, C, zinc, and getting enough sleep. Can't say that I have heard any of them say that. It was always wear your mask, and stay home until the vaccine comes.  The transvestite health secretary from Pa. never once mentioned how to keep your immune system healthy. Just no money in that, and of course people can't be controlled as easy if they don't have fear of dying, or getting sick from covid.
I saw another doctor that gave a lengthy speech on covid and the vaccine. She talked about how vaccines for this type of virus never worked.  In animal trials for other viruses of this type, they gave the animal a vaccine, then when the animal came in contact with the virus in the wild it died. She went on to say that this is a possibility with this vaccine. They just don't know enough about it,

Another thing that the "health experts" haven't mentioned is that the majority of people dying from Covid are people who don't take care of themselves. Obese people, diabetics, etc. (who knew  that there were consequences to not taking care of yourself). These "health experts" should be preaching for people to make life changes and get healthy but there's no money to be made from that either.

Absolutely! The so called health experts are not really health experts in the sense that they help people, but more just government lap dogs.    I had heard someone reporting data directly from the CDC that 94% of the people that died from covid had an average of 2.9 comorbiditys.  So just think how many had 4,5,6, or more comorbiditys.
  Of all the deaths they continue to list from covid to keep the masses frightened, only 6% died from covid. The rest died with covid due to other health issues.  Number of deaths due to things like diabetes, heart disease, pneumonia, kidney disease, regular flu, etc...being way down proves that.  So if someone has heart disease and they die with covid, its certainly listed as a covid death.  Also there was big money involved for hospitals and such, for listing deaths as covid or even saying someone has covid.

Very true. When hospitals are given financial incentive from the government for every covid death reported you can bet the house that every hospital is going to make sure to reports as many covid deaths as possible.
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Re: Vaccine update
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2021, 12:45:35 PM »
This from Americas frontline doctors.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/02/americas_frontline_doctors_on_the_covid_vaccines.html

February 3, 2021
America's Frontline Doctors on the COVID vaccines
By H.P. Smith

America’s Frontline Doctors (AFLDS) recently published a white paper that is the first objective look at the experimental vaccines that are now being enthusiastically offered to the public on an ever-increasing scale. 

They are the group that advocated for the safety of the very well-known, long-studied and widely-used drug hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19 during the summer of 2020, holding a well-publicized press conference in Washington, D.C.  They were, of course, immediately attacked and almost entirely silenced for their efforts because hydroxychloroquine had been touted by President Trump as an effective treatment against Covid-19. 

A few key highlights from the paper: First, all three vaccine candidates -- from Pfizer, AstraZeneca, and Moderna -- are still experimental and investigational. Pfizer, in its own executive summary to the FDA on December 10, 2020 calls it “...an investigational Covid-19 vaccine.” 

The experimental vaccines from both Pfizer and Moderna utilize mRNA (messenger ribonucleic acid) which instructs the body’s cells on manufacturing proteins.  It is technology that has not “ever been approved for any disease, or even entered final-stage trials until now.”  There have been no independently published animal studies on any of the vaccines, and it is not yet known what effects they will have on the elderly, the very young, or women who are pregnant or might become pregnant in the near future.  I’d say those are important groups whose safety is critical.

The white paper speaks extensively about Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) as a well-known complication of vaccines that can result in a making the disease worse if contracted.  It also goes into somewhat frightening detail about the possibility that the mRNA vaccines “may permanently interfere with a woman’s ability to maintain a pregnancy.”

A curious detail that the AFLDS paper mentions is the National Childhood Vaccine Act, a little-known law passed in 1986  that “provides immunity from liability to all vaccine manufacturing companies.”  None of them can be held responsible for rushing an untested, potentially dangerous vaccine to fight a flu virus that has an incredibly low Infection Fatality Ratio (IFR).  In this case, it’s a very real possibility that the “cure” may be worse than the disease.

The point of the white paper is not to say that people shouldn’t get the shots; it is merely to inform people of the reality of the situation, such as the possibility that the vaccines may cause worse spread of the virus via asymptomatic carriers.  Those vaccinated may think it is safe to be around others when it actually isn’t.  People should be given all the facts before making a decision for themselves or their families.  At this stage, do people getting a shot even know which shot they are getting?

America’s Frontline Doctors are also circulating a petition against the possible future mandating of the vaccine.  Rumors have been spreading that there may come a time when employers, schools, airlines, and even concert venues may require proof of vaccination, which would be illegal on many levels, not the least of which is the access by third parties to people’s private medical data.  What happened to “my body, my choice?”

It's interesting that the same “scientific” and media communities that rebranded HCQ -- a drug with decades of history of safe and widespread use -- as unsafe during mid-2020 is now aggressively pushing the distribution of vaccines with very little testing data of any kind and, by definition, zero data regarding any possible long-term complications.  I ask why?

I don’t know about you, but I am not someone who takes everyone at their word, especially these days.  I have a scientific educational background that taught me to involve the scientific method as part of my critical thinking.  I am much more likely to listen to a group of respected practicing physicians brave enough to risk their careers in order to advocate caution in taking an experimental “vaccine” than I am to take the word of politicians, media talking heads, or the liability-immune pharmaceutical companies poised to make billions from its distribution.
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Re: Vaccine update
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2021, 10:48:54 PM »
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Re: Vaccine update
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2021, 01:53:52 AM »
Yeah it seems like the majority of people taking this unproven vaccine are sheep being led by the too big government.  :'(

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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2021, 05:45:14 AM »
Yeah it seems like the majority of people taking this unproven vaccine are sheep being led by the too big government.  :'(

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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2021, 07:26:09 AM »
   When your free of any liability the world  can be  your ginny pig .

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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2021, 09:26:54 AM »
Yeah it seems like the majority of people taking this unproven vaccine are sheep being led by the too big government.  :'(

Been the Point all along...Control the Sheep, Keep Em 'Occupied'  while the Communist take over the Country...

Absolutely its been the point all along.  I think this virus was planned to help unseat Trump, and everyone was lied to about the severity of it so fear could be instilled to control everyone easier, and its still going on with this vaccine.   Also these vaccine companies can not be held liable in any civil lawsuit if injury or death comes to those that have received it.  The law was made in 1988.  Sounds pretty good for the companies that are making the vaccines. Just rake in the money, with no worries of any law suits, even if it causes women to become sterile.   Everyone can make their own choice on whether to get the vaccine or not, but I am sure not getting it for a covid survival rate of 99 plus %.        CDC recently updated estimated infection fatality rates for COVID. Here are the updated survival rates by age group:

0-19: 99.997%
20-49: 99.98%
50-69: 99.5%
70+: 94.6%

Funny how you never hear the news media or the Faucie's of the world state these numbers.  The reason being they have to keep the fear factor up so everyone lines up for a vaccine, and of course to keep the heard controlled.
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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2021, 01:01:09 PM »
    They now claim  its ok to   mix  the  injections  of  the vaccines from the different  manufacturers . 


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« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2021, 02:22:12 PM »
    They now claim  its ok to   mix  the  injections  of  the vaccines from the different  manufacturers .
That's the problem. When you say they? Who in the he!! Is that? If people believe this crap going on they are nothing but sheep following the left's agenda.

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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2021, 05:19:31 PM »
What I've read is that it is NOT OK to mix the different shots.


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« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2021, 05:46:49 PM »
What I've read is that it is NOT OK to mix the different shots.
   Caught it running on the news ticker  scrolling  along the bottom of the screen . maybe I miss read but dont think so . The report was about the two shot vaccine taken a few weeks apart .

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« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2021, 06:00:05 PM »
 Yep, on FOX ticker , scientist hope to enroll 800 to get one shot of astrazenca an one from pfizer for 13 month study .

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« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2021, 02:37:04 PM »
Isn't it easier just to believe what you see and hear spouted on the tv?  IF ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and MSNBC, ain't sayin it then it must not be true.  The lyin media and what is not reported has been the death of this nation.
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« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2021, 12:04:24 AM »
TM7: Thank you for that response.

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« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2021, 01:56:46 AM »
What amazes me is the way the media keeps this hype up. Before it was Trump's fault that the virus was spreading and nothing being done. Now we have two and soon to be three unproven vaccines and all the crazies out there can't get it injected fast enough. People fighting over vouchers to wait in lines for four to eight hours and then run out. It's almost funny. Now Johnson and Johnson wants to rush their vaccine through the process. These people are making huge profits from this and the American people are being used as guinea pigs and most are to blinded to see the truth of the matter. I had one flu shot many years ago and that was it for me. As far as these vaccines, just count me out. I'll let the sheep have them.

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« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2021, 02:38:22 AM »
I'm 63 so I'm not expecting to get the shot any time soon.....However, when it's available, I'm going to take it.
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« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2021, 03:53:50 AM »
I'm 63 so I'm not expecting to get the shot any time soon.....However, when it's available, I'm going to take it.
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« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2021, 07:09:14 AM »
Words of wisdom from Forest Gump. And just like that, the virus was gone!. And I don't know anything about that!. This new president is just like me! Lt. Dan,no Forrest he's nothing like you. Your much smarter and more honest than he is.

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« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2021, 10:01:57 AM »
My 87yr old mother in law fell and broke her hip. She is in the nursing home getting better. They required her to get the vaccine and she did. I don't think she can handle the second one if its that's bad. If this hadn't have happened, she would not have gotten any shots. Non of us will git the shot unless we are forced to.