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Not guilty
« on: February 13, 2021, 10:25:33 AM »
Good to hear the words again.

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Re: Not guilty
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2021, 10:46:24 AM »
Where did you here them?
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Re: Not guilty
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2021, 11:29:10 AM »
Newsmax, maybe I should have used the word acquitted instead.

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Re: Not guilty
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2021, 11:36:18 AM »
Ok, who?
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Re: Not guilty
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2021, 11:40:25 AM »
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Re: Not guilty
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2021, 11:40:30 AM »
Trump.
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Re: Not guilty
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2021, 11:43:57 AM »
    57 to 43  vote

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Re: Not guilty
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2021, 11:45:03 AM »
Not the last I heard. They instead voting to hear witness testimony which will extend it for who knows how long. Where did you hear it was all over?


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Re: Not guilty
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2021, 11:45:58 AM »
Just saw.   Great news, but for the 7 turncoats that voted against him (and the fact that not a single democrat had any integrity).
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Re: Not guilty
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2021, 11:50:08 AM »
Former President Trump was acquitted in an unprecedented second impeachment trial on the charge of inciting an insurrection for the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, making him the first and only president to be impeached and acquitted twice in history.

A majority of senators found Trump guilty on Saturday in a 57-43 vote, but the number fell short of the supermajority needed to convict the president. Had Trump been convicted, the Senate would have moved to bar the 45th president from holding federal office ever again.

The seven GOP senators who joined with all Democrats in finding Trump guilty were: Sens. Richard Burr of North Carolina, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Mitt Romney of Utah, Ben Sasse of Nebraska and Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania.

Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., who presided over the trial announced the vote fell short of the two-thirds majority need and therefore Trump is "hereby acquitted of the charge."

The acquittal means that as of now Trump can leave the door open to another White House bid in 2024, though senators have hinted they may still try to bar him from office in a separate 14th Amendment measure.

SCHUMER LEAVES DOOR OPEN TO 14TH AMENDMENT MEASURE TO BAR TRUMP FROM OFFICE

Trump praised the victory, thanked his supporters and promised he'd soon emerge with a "vision for a bright, radiant, and limitless American future."

The former president, who has largely stayed silent since his impeachment, also took aim at his opponents.

TRUMP CELEBRATES ACQUITTAL IN SENATE TRIAL, FORESHADOWS POLITICAL FUTURE: 'MUCH TO SHARE'

"This has been yet another phase of the greatest witch hunt in the history of our country," Trump said in a statement. "No president has ever gone through anything like it, and it continues because our opponents cannot forget the almost 75 million people, the highest number ever for a sitting president, who voted for us just a few short months ago."

Trump's second impeachment trial lasted just five days of arguments, making it the shortest in presidential history. The previous record was held by Trump in 2020 when his trial related to inviting foreign interference into the election spanned 21 days.

The trial surrounded the Jan. 6 riot when pro-Trump supporters stormed the Capitol, beat police officers, chanted "Hang Mike Pence" and forced lawmakers to take shelter. The mayhem temporarily stopped Congress' certification of President Biden's Electoral College win.

House impeachment managers accused Trump of inciting the insurrection by spreading a "big lie" the election was stolen from him, summoning his supporters to Washington on Jan. 6, telling them to "fight like hell" and then refusing to call off the attack once the mob violently took over the Capitol.

"He named the date. He named the time. He brought them here, and now he must pay the price," lead impeachment manager Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., said in his closing remarks to the Senate.

Trump legal's team denounced the proceedings as an unconstitutional "sham impeachment" against a private citizen, driven by Democrats' "hatred" for Trump and desire to silence a political opponent.

Trump lawyers also argued the former president's political speech is protected by the First Amendment and his words on Jan. 6 to his supporters to "fight like hell" were not meant literally. To drive home that point during the trial, Trump's defense played an 11-minute video of nearly every Democrat in the chamber using the words "fight" in their past speeches and interviews.

The vote capped a wild Saturday in Washington with numerous plot twists.

In a curveball move, the Senate Saturday morning voted 55-45 to allow witnesses at the trial after Raskin said they wanted to hear from GOP Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler.

Raskin, D-Md., cited the "breaking news" overnight about details Beutler revealed of a heated phone call that Trump had with House GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy during the middle of the Capitol attack.

Beutler, who was one of 10 Republicans who voted to impeach Trump in House, released her account of the call late Friday, confirming a CNN report that Trump dismissed McCarthy's pleas to call off the riot and instead told McCarthy that the rioters were "more upset about the election" than the House leader.


"When McCarthy finally reached the president on January 6 and asked him to publicly and forcefully call off the riot, the president initially repeated the falsehood that it was antifa that had breached the Capitol," Beutler said in her statement. "McCarthy refuted that and told the president that these were Trump supporters. That's when, according to McCarthy, the president said, 'Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are.'"


Trump's legal team blasted the decision to call witnesses and threatened to depose 100 people in the case if the door is open. A visibly angry and animated Michael van der Veen said that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Vice President Kamala Harris would "absolutely" need to be deposed, too, but not by Zoom.

"These depositions should be done in person in my office in Philadelphia," van der Veen told the senators, which drew audible laughter from the Senate chamber.

ANOTHER TRUMP IMPEACHMENT TWIST: SENATE SIDESTEPS WITNESSES DESPITE VOTE ALLOWING THEM

Van deer Veen shot back: "I haven't laughed at any of you. And there's nothing laughable here."


The surprise vote on witnesses shook Washington and seemed to even catch senators off guard.

Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, said the move set off "chaos" in the chamber. He speculated the trial could last until April with witnesses.

"At this point, it's pandemonium," Cruz told pool reporters.

But just as quickly as the Senate went down the path of witnesses, lawyers then reversed course on Saturday.

Trump's legal team agreed to allow the damaging statement from Beutler to be entered into the trial as evidence. Armed with her statement, House lawyers then abandoned their demand that Beutler be called as a witness altogether.

House managers said the revelations about McCarthy's call with Trump show that Trump abdicated his oath of office by showing support for the rioters and disregard for the security of members of Congress and Pence, who was targeted by the mob for assassination.

"He chose retaining his own power over the safety of Americans," said Rep. David Cicilline, D-R.I. "I can't imagine more damning evidence of his state of mind."

The arguments, however, weren't enough to sway the 17 GOP senators needed for conviction.

MCCONNELL RIPS TRUMP, SAYS ACTIONS 'UNCONSCIONABLE' BUT TRIAL WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL

GOP Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., was very critical of Trump's conduct surrounding the Jan. 6 riot and his wife -- former Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao -- even resigned from the administration in the aftermath of the attack that killed at least five people, including a Capitol Police officer.

"There's no question... that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day," McConnell said in a speech after the vote Saturday.

Still, McConnell found Trump "not guilty," saying he believes convicting the former president is unconstitutional.

"We have no power to convict and disqualify a former office holder who is now a private citizen," McConnell said in a speech.


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Re: Not guilty
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2021, 11:53:15 AM »
Not the last I heard. They instead voting to hear witness testimony which will extend it for who knows how long. Where did you hear it was all over?
  I just caught the vote tally , I assumed that meant it was over .

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Re: Not guilty
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2021, 12:07:44 PM »
Its final. Those 7 rinos, and the Democrats had better invest in iron britches.
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Re: Not guilty
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2021, 01:52:06 PM »
Its over for awhile anyway.

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Re: Not guilty
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2021, 01:15:59 AM »
The democrats wanted to call witnesses, because they thought they had another avenue to get Trump.  When trumps defense team said they had 300 witnesses to call, with Harris, Pelosi, Schumur being the first up. they backed off the calling of any witnesses scheme, because, when crossed examined they would have perjured themselves under oath. Everything that comes out of their mouth is a lie, so it wouldn't be hard to get them to perjure themselves.
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Re: Not guilty
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2021, 01:40:47 AM »
the last thing Pelosi would want is being questioned under oath, about what she knew about the events that took place at the capitol prior to Jan. 6
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Re: Not guilty
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2021, 02:53:32 PM »
the last thing Pelosi would want is being questioned under oath, about what she knew about the events that took place at the capitol prior to Jan. 6
   Pelosi would lie under oath with Jesus Christ holding the bible .