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THE PROBLEMS WITH SMALL GUNS IN BIG HANDS
« on: February 28, 2021, 09:08:31 AM »
https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/small_guns_in_big_hands/

BY PAUL CARLSON              DECEMBER 15, 2016



In many situations carrying a smaller gun can be more comfortable and easier to conceal.  It is common sense for the most part.  There are times, however, when a small gun is more of a liability than you might think.  It isn’t all that different from the challenges people face when they try to carry a gun that is too large.  Or maybe the challenges are as different as can be.  The point is, if you have a big pair of hands and you try to carry and shoot a small gun, there are some things that you need to think about.

Handgun Fit

Handgun fit is an important topic in efficiency.  When we face a violent attack we want to solve the problem efficiently, with as little time, effort and energy as possible.  Our mindset, tactics, skills and tools can all play a role in how efficiently we can respond to that threat.  Handgun fit is an important aspect of efficiency.  The better our handgun fits, the more efficiently you will be able to employ that gun.

Handgun fit isn’t a simple topic.  It really comes down to selecting a handgun that, in order of priority, makes it easy for you to press the trigger smoothly to the rear, manage recoil for fast follow up shots and manipulate the magazine release and slide stop without shifting your grip.  If you want to know more about the topic you can read this in-depth article on handgun fit.

We typically think about handgun fit problems in terms of folks with little hands facing challenges when they are forced to operate big guns.  Having big hands and trying to shoot a little gun can be a problem as well.

Big Hands with a Little Gun

I see these problems often.  Folks in search of the simple carry solution set themselves up with a difficult shooting situation because their hands are oversized for the diminutive gun that is easy to carry.

I have experienced these difficult shooting conditions myself.  Although my hands aren’t Goliath hands, when they are wrapped around a GLOCK 43, it is a whole different story.  It seems that the size of the single stack 9mm GLOCK magazine and the grip that wraps around it leaves plenty of dead space inside my grip.  With the recoil of the 9mm in such a small package, the 43 loves to squirm side to side in my grasp.  It’s manageable, but I tend to see groups that open up in width compared to pistols that tend to fill my palms.

I recently saw another challenge with a student in a course.  It was a repeat of what I have seen many times before.  Reloading the small pistol can be difficult for those with larger hands.  In this case the offending tiny automatic was a S&W Bodyguard .380.  The issue was that the grip and the magazine of the  Bodyguard .380 was so short that the primary hand extended well below the grip of the gun.  The result was difficulty on insertion of the magazine.  The weak hand just didn’t have the space to fully seat the mag because of the strong hand.



These problems aren’t impossible to deal with, the simply need to be dealt with and they need to be understood.

Final Thoughts

When we take a look at concealed carry from a balanced point of view it is easy for us to see that every choice is a compromise.  A bigger gun might be harder to conceal, but at the same time it could be easier to shoot.  Just the opposite, a smaller gun might be more difficult to shoot while at the same time it is more difficult to shoot.  Of course you might find the exact opposite is true for you.  The key is to understand the impact that your decisions have on your ability to deal with a lethal threat and to make the choices that will help you prevail when you need to most.


Paul Carlson, owner of Safety Solutions Academy, is a Professional Defensive Shooting Instructor.  He has spent the past decade and a half studying how humans can perform more efficiently in violent confrontations and honing his skills as an instructor both in the classroom and on the range.


Bill aka the Graybeard
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Re: THE PROBLEMS WITH SMALL GUNS IN BIG HANDS
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2021, 10:08:05 AM »
The biggest problem I see with
today's gun owners is that they
never handle their guns enough
to gain any familiarity with them.
Seen a lot of the same with fishermen.
The best shots and the best casters
I've ever seen handle their firearms
or fishing rods extensively to where
it's almost a part of themselves.

I can't tell at the times I've had derringers
and small pocket guns that people
would tell me " Oh no  ! That thing
isn't any good. It'll jump right out of
your hand.  . ."    Usually, those that
say that are poor shots themselves.
Best personal example was the 22
magnum NAA pistol I had. I had more
than a few people tell me not to get
the magnum version. It would " jump
right out of my hand "
They must read that BS in a magazine
somewhere
18 MINUTES.  . . . . . .

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Re: THE PROBLEMS WITH SMALL GUNS IN BIG HANDS
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2021, 10:28:52 AM »
I do ok with my bodyguard 380. My hands are about medium in size and I have no problems shooting it.
Or reloading it. My pinkie finger is below the magazine but that hasn't posed a problem. And you can buy a mag grip extension. It's about the size of a Kel Tec and a lot of people carry those.

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Re: THE PROBLEMS WITH SMALL GUNS IN BIG HANDS
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2021, 12:03:16 AM »
spot on. I have LARGE hands and can run an naa 22 revolver. Have no problems what so ever with lcps. Im not shoot for score at a ppc match. Im not shooting bad guys 50 yards away. Im for the most part armed for up close and very personal and thats what i practice for. Every day I go to the range at the end of whatever im doing load work up for ect i practice with the carry gun i have on me. Practice isnt just trying to shoot a bullseye at 15 feet. Its getting the gun out of my pocket and using it. I practice gun malfuntion drills buy loading an empty in one of every  three mags and mix them up so dont know when its comming. Even have my wife load them so i dont know where that round is in the mag. I even save mags that are pos to use for training. Ones i know dont feed for crap. Yup theres some truth in the average guy should own one gun and get used to it but the average guy doesnt shoot a 1000 rounds a week. I think most here could switch guns day to day with no problem. If i use say a 1911 one day it still works on auto pilot just like the glock i had yesterday or the naa i might have tomarrow. Problem is more small guns with small brains. 
The biggest problem I see with
today's gun owners is that they
never handle their guns enough
to gain any familiarity with them.
Seen a lot of the same with fishermen.
The best shots and the best casters
I've ever seen handle their firearms
or fishing rods extensively to where
it's almost a part of themselves.

I can't tell at the times I've had derringers
and small pocket guns that people
would tell me " Oh no  ! That thing
isn't any good. It'll jump right out of
your hand.  . ."    Usually, those that
say that are poor shots themselves.
Best personal example was the 22
magnum NAA pistol I had. I had more
than a few people tell me not to get
the magnum version. It would " jump
right out of my hand "
They must read that BS in a magazine
somewhere
blue lives matter

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Re: THE PROBLEMS WITH SMALL GUNS IN BIG HANDS
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2021, 01:15:38 AM »
I doubt many have larger hands than I, and I have little trouble with my Ruger LCP custom, my Glock 42 or my PPK knockoff, in 22 LR.  That being said, I am not a fan of handguns..and certainly not a "crack shot" with them.
 
   With magazine extenders, I can get 2 fingers on the grip of the PPK knockoff, and 1&1/2 fingers on the LCP.

   The one I do have some trouble with, is my 642 Smith & Wesson, with stock rubber grips.  Something just doesn't go right with it, 1&1/2 fingers, but the only way I can get a good sight picture, is to bend my wrist uncomfortably downward (not good), so as to bring the front sight down into the rear sight level.  Perhaps somebody can suggest a fix for that !

  I installed a laser on my LCP...I like that a lot..
 
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Re: THE PROBLEMS WITH SMALL GUNS IN BIG HANDS
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2021, 02:08:16 AM »
Quote
a smaller gun might be more difficult to shoot while at the same time it is more difficult to shoot.

I am totally flummoxed by that statement...

I have hands that can and do easily palm a basketball.  Try it.  I shoot a 380 cal. Walther PPK with ease and like its fit, form, and function in my hand.  The plastic guns, LCP's, and Kel-Tech (just around the corner from here) Mini's are too small and too light.  I think weight in a pocket handgun is important.

Quote from: ironglows
I am not a fan of handguns..and certainly not a "crack shot" with them.
I 2nd this but work to be adequate with a handgun while being the best rifle sniper I can be for the efficient and quick demise of wildlife.  Like "Quigley Down Under" I am not saying I don't know how to use one, but I prefer the rifle.

I think there is a lot of emphasis on "tactical" shooting as if every hand gunner and home owner is going to have to run through the house and the yard pursuing, shooting, dodging, loading, clearing, and the like.  Yes, SOME of that is practical and important.  Training that way constantly?!?!?  For the Common Man?!?!?  I don't think so. 

Most folks with a handgun in homes today are not trained in any form or function, going to wave it around, some will piss their pants, and most will shoot themselves in the foot (figuratively speaking) and MISS the target Perp or hit something unintended.  Even the Pros miss A LOT and they are HIGHLY trained. 

Tactical shooting (and I may have misinterpreted this article) has its place.  Training everyone for that isn't useful.  Getting people in front of a target, getting them comfortable in form and function with their chosen handgun, getting them to SHOOT IT, dry fire it, load and unload it, and getting them familiar with it build important muscle memory.  In the stress of a defensive "situation" familiarity delivers SOME consistency in hold and SOME accuracy that perhaps takes a life to save a life.



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Re: THE PROBLEMS WITH SMALL GUNS IN BIG HANDS
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2021, 05:26:35 AM »
Right Landowner;
  I am much more at home with a rifle, and only use a shotgun when they are called for., but the pistol that fits me best, is the PPK knockoff; but being a .22 LR, I  don't carry it that often.  Actually, I don't carry very often anyway, unless the situation calls for it .

  Yes, I don't get this penchant for anything "tactical"..    We have tactical guns, flashlights, jackets, carry cases, ammo boxes, shoes and boots, for heaven's sake !

  I am a bit concerned that with so many people, due to the election of a tyrannical regime..and are starting to carry, that some may not get the gravity of what happens, if one does have to use that weapon.

    Will they draw too quickly?  Are they ready for a disrupted life?  Are they ready, in case it happens, to spend some years in confinement?

  I just hope that all new concealed carry owners keep in mind, the power of life and death they hold in their hands.. and never underestimate it's potential for trouble.
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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2021, 06:43:42 AM »
As I mentioned earlier. I have a S&W 642 with original rubber grips.  When held in regular shooting position, the front sights are too high, necessitating me to tilt my wrist downward to bring them in line.
   Come on now, you pistoleros...what can be done to improve the grip?    see this photo, like mine, but picked off the web.

    https://secure.arnzenarms.com/product/smith-wesson/used-smith-wesson-642-airweight-38-spl-p-5-round-cylinder-stainless-finish-no-box
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Re: THE PROBLEMS WITH SMALL GUNS IN BIG HANDS
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2021, 06:55:02 AM »
How many people here have actually had to point a gun at someone, muchless shoot them?
I have, and I seemed to had lost that adrenaline rush fear in the moment. Replaced more by anger and the
instinct of self protection. I only hit him in the knee because he rushed me after I gave him the chanch
to stop. Which caught me off guard and I had to step back up a bit, loseing my torso bead on him. But that was
my fault and it won't happen again. I wasn't charged with anything, only had a visit from a detective.

P. S. He lost that leg just above the knee it was shattered.  And they say a 9mm won't take you down?
My wife was more concerned about the blood everywhere, she said it looked like taco sauce lol.

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Re: THE PROBLEMS WITH SMALL GUNS IN BIG HANDS
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2021, 09:59:11 AM »
Thread drift...

When I mentioned "tactical", I was referring to the methods of shooting being taught.  Shoot, advance, shoot, advance, reload, shoot, advance, shoot, etc.  Few homeowners will ever require a reload or speed load.  If the homeowner doesn't "get it done" on the first full magazine or cylinder, they are seriously doing something wrong.

Reloading a dozen times isn't going to help a homeowner that just cannot shoot.  Building a wall of spent cases between you and the Perp is not taught anywhere of which I am aware. 

GOOD SHOOTING should be taught, because thereafter, in the heat of the moment, a well placed bullet could mean the entire event is over at the first shot.

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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2021, 11:58:39 AM »
Thread drift...

When I mentioned "tactical", I was referring to the methods of shooting being taught.  Shoot, advance, shoot, advance, reload, shoot, advance, shoot, etc.  Few homeowners will ever require a reload or speed load.  If the homeowner doesn't "get it done" on the first full magazine or cylinder, they are seriously doing something wrong.

Reloading a dozen times isn't going to help a homeowner that just cannot shoot.  Building a wall of spent cases between you and the Perp is not taught anywhere of which I am aware. 

GOOD SHOOTING should be taught, because thereafter, in the heat of the moment, a well placed bullet could mean the entire event is over at the first shot.

  I suspect, and it seems that current backs up the idea that most "gun fights" are just a couple rounds and it is over..either someone is hit or somebody escapes..not a lot of "hunt and shoot" gong on.
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Re: THE PROBLEMS WITH SMALL GUNS IN BIG HANDS
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2021, 05:12:48 PM »
CZ is about to introduce a single stack 75 compact carry. It will be interesting to see how that works out.
They are good guns, I like mine over my Beretta 92.

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Re: THE PROBLEMS WITH SMALL GUNS IN BIG HANDS
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2021, 07:44:59 PM »
I have large hands and shoot several handguns of difference size and design. I try and go to the range at least once a week. (Weather permitting) and usually a couple of times weekly in the summer. From stubby's to large frame revolvers, and the same with semi auto's. I practice with both hands and either hand at self defense range.
Lately, I've only been firing the stubby revolvers in double action only.
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Re: THE PROBLEMS WITH SMALL GUNS IN BIG HANDS
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2021, 03:03:03 PM »
I prefer Browning’s ideas on a pistol. First the round designed for what you want from it. Then build the firearm around it... Also, Hunting teaches a lot about what it takes... Somehow I posted this without intending to. So be it...

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Re: THE PROBLEMS WITH SMALL GUNS IN BIG HANDS
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2021, 01:48:26 PM »
Hickoch 45 doesn't seem to have any problems and he has mitts that a gorilla would envy.