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Catholic leaders betray Mary's honor for the godless ones approval.
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https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2021/03/catholic-leaders-betray-marys-honor-muhammads-raymond-ibrahim/Catholic leaders selling out Mary's honor


I went back and recopied the story, this link faulty. CHARLIE.  Huh?

Catholic Leaders Betray Mary’s Honor for Muhammad’s Approval
The latest folly in the name of “Abrahamism.”

Fri Mar 5, 2021 Raymond Ibrahim 41

Raymond Ibrahim is a Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center.

The same folks to bring you "Abrahamism"—the idea that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are intricately connected—have narrowed their sights on promoting Mary, the mother of Christ, as "a Jewish, Christian and Muslim woman," in the words of Catholic priest Fr. Gian Matteo of the Pontifical International Marian Academy. In a ten-week webinar series titled "Mary, a model for faith and life for Christianity and Islam," the academy will seek to present Mary as a bridge between the two religions.

This may be easier said than done — at least for those still interested in facts. For starters, the claim that Mary was a "Jewish, Christian and Muslim woman" is only two-thirds true: yes, she was a Jew by race and background; and yes, she was a Christian in that she literally birthed Christ(ianity); but she was most certainly not a Muslim — a term and religion that came into being 600 years after Mary died.

Worse, far from being the Eternal Virgin, as she is for 1.5 billion Christians of the Catholic and Orthodox variety, Islam presents Mary, the Mother of Christ, as "married" to and "copulating" with Muhammad in paradise — a depiction that would seem to sever rather than build "bridges."

In a hadith that was deemed reliable enough to be included in the renowned Ibn Kathir's corpus, Muhammad declared that "Allah will wed me in paradise to Mary, Daughter of Imran," whom Muslims identify with Jesus's mother.  (Note: The Arabic word for "marriage" (نكاح, or nikah) denotes "legal sexual relations," connotes the "F" word, and is wholly devoid of Western, "romantic," or Platonic connotations.)

Nor is this just some random, obscure hadith.  None other than Dr. Salem Abdul Galil — previously deputy minister of Egypt's religious endowments for preaching — affirmed its canonicity in 2017 during a live televised Arabic-language program.  Among other biblical women (Moses's sister and Pharaoh's wife), "our prophet Muhammad — prayers and be upon him — will be married to Mary in paradise," Galil said.

If few Christians today know about this Islamic claim, medieval Christians living in Muslim-occupied nations were certainly aware of it.  There, Muslims regularly threw this fantasy in the face of Catholic and Orthodox Christians who venerated Mary as the "Eternal Virgin."  Thus, Eulogius of Cordoba, an indigenous Christian of Muslim-occupied Spain, once wrote, "I will not repeat the sacrilege which that impure dog [Muhammad] dared proffer about the Blessed Virgin, Queen of the World, holy mother of our venerable Lord and Savior. He claimed that in the next world he would deflower her."

As usual, it was Eulogius's offensive words about Muhammad — and not the latter's offensive words about Mary and any number of other things — that had dire consequences: he, as well as many other Spanish Christians vociferously critical of Muhammad, were found guilty of speaking against Islam and publicly tortured and executed in "Golden Age" Cordoba in 859.

One expects that all of these "inconvenient" facts will be quietly passed over during the Pontifical International Marian Academy's webinars.  And if they are raised, no doubt Christians will somehow take the blame, as almost always happens in academic settings.  As one example, after quoting Eulogius's aforementioned lament against Muhammad's claim of being married to Mary, John V. Tolan, a professor and member of Academia Europaea, denounced it as an "outrageous claim" of Eulogius's own "invention."  He then railed against the martyr — not against his murderers or their prophet:

Eulogius fabricates lies designed to shock his Christian reader.  This way, even those elements of Islam that resemble Christianity (such as reverence of Jesus and his virgin mother) are deformed and blackened, so as to prevent the Christian from admiring anything about the Muslim other.  The goal is to inspire hatred for the "oppressors[.]" ... Eulogius sets out to show that the Muslim is not a friend but a potential rapist of Christ's virgins. (Saracens: Islam in the Medieval European Imagination, p.93)

As already seen, however, it is Muhammad himself — not any "Christian polemicist" — who "fabricates lies designed to shock," namely that Mary will be his eternal concubine.

This, incidentally, is the main problem the purveyors of Abrahamism fail to acknowledge: Islam does not treat biblical characters the way Christianity does.

Christians accept the text of the Hebrew Bible, or Old Testament, as it is.  They do not add, take away, or distort the accounts of the patriarchs that Jews also rely on.  Conversely, while also relying on the figures of the Old and New Testaments — primarily for the weight of antiquity and authority attached to their names — Islam completely recasts them with different attributes that reaffirm Muhammad's religion as the one true and final "revelation," as opposed to Judaism and Christianity, whose biblical accounts on these figures are then seen as "distorted" because they are different from Islam's later revisions.

Far from creating "commonalities," it should be clear that such appropriation creates conflict.  By way of analogy, imagine that you have a grandfather whom you are particularly fond of, and out of the blue, a stranger who never even met your grandfather says: "Hey, that's my grandfather!"  Then — lest you think this stranger is somehow trying to become your friend — he adds: "And everything you thought you knew about grandpa is wrong!  Only I have his true life story."

Would that create a "bridge" between you and this stranger who is trying to appropriate and recast the image of your grandfather?

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Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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Re: Catholic leaders betray Mary's honor for the godless ones approval.
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2021, 06:05:56 AM »
If they’re connected, why do the muzzies want to kill all CHRISTIANS and Jews??
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Re: Catholic leaders betray Mary's honor for the godless ones approval.
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2021, 04:55:06 PM »
Catholicism must not be selling like it used to.  Gotta expand the market. The Methodist and Southern Baptist have. Of course it ain't really workin.
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Re: Catholic leaders betray Mary's honor for the godless ones approval.
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2021, 12:28:00 PM »
BALONEY. Satan hadn't even invented the Muslim cult til over 300 years AFTER Jesus. CHARLIE.  ::) ::)
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: Catholic leaders betray Mary's honor for the godless ones approval.
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2021, 12:47:55 PM »
Mary doesn't care about her honor. Mary died some 2,000 years ago. Just because an organization disputes the Scriptures and says she ain't, doesn't make it so.
Catholicism and Islam have a lot in common as far as "structure", so they may do well together.
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Re: Catholic leaders betray Mary's honor for the godless ones approval.
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2021, 02:25:27 PM »
BALONEY. Satan hadn't even invented the Muslim cult til over 300 years AFTER Jesus. CHARLIE.  ::) ::)
It was about 700 years after Jesus.
they are a very new religion.

Well actually it's not a religion.  It's an Idealogy filled with murder and mayhem.
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Re: Catholic leaders betray Mary's honor for the godless ones approval.
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2021, 02:29:58 PM »
Mary doesn't care about her honor. Mary died some 2,000 years ago. Just because an organization disputes the Scriptures and says she ain't, doesn't make it so.
After JESUS was born, I'm sure Joseph made sure she didn't stay a virgin very long.
And they say hail Mary to a carnal woman. ;D
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Re: Catholic leaders betray Mary's honor for the godless ones approval.
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2021, 06:45:27 PM »
BALONEY. Satan hadn't even invented the Muslim cult til over 300 years AFTER Jesus. CHARLIE.  ::) ::)
It was about 700 years after Jesus.
they are a very new religion.

Well actually it's not a religion.  It's an Idealogy filled with murder and mayhem.


RIGHT you are my friend, must have had a senior moment. CHARLIE.  ;D ;D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm