Will The United States Survive?

[Dee]

The Democrats have "seized the presidency", and placed a "useful fool" in the White House.
They are now in the process of "seizing the opportunity" and have mounted a rapid, and an unprecedented, unchecked assault on the Republic, the Constitution, and The Bill of Rights.

Devastating "executive orders" are being signed by an illigitiment president, as fast as they can be written.

Jobs are being killed, the southern border is wide open, and billions of dollars are being wasted daily, from an already bankrupt nation.

Their "propaganda machine", aka the liberal media is running wide open, and unchecked,  while the weak, powerless Republican Congressional members flail, and flounder in the political waters like a duck shot out of a blind.

Collectively, Americans bluster, and complain, but no one that matters is listening.

It seems the ship is sinking, the bilge pump isn't working, and there is not a bucket to be found.

Will the United States be so, in the next 4 years of this craziness?

[scattershot]

I’d like to think that someone will force these communist idiots to abandon the headlong rush into destruction, but from here it doesn’t look like it will happen any time soon.

[Ranger99]

Not much will ever change until
people start having to do without
all the conveniences that our
forefathers sacrificed so much
so that we wouldn't have to.
Scarce food and water, bad
sanitation and utilities, no
gasoline, especially no cellphones,
no pizza man, etc. etc.


Just maybe, people might start to
take notice of what's happening

[geezerbiker]

It can almost guaranteed that it's going to get much worse before it gets better.  I suspect one of these days we'll hear the next "shot heard around the world."  I hope that's a metaphor and not a real shot but I wouldn't hold my breath on that...

Tony

[powderman]

It can almost guaranteed that it's going to get much worse before it gets better.  I suspect one of these days we'll hear the next "shot heard around the world."  I hope that's a metaphor and not a real shot but I wouldn't hold my breath on that...

Tony

TONY. I hope it doesn't happen either,  because the evil ones own our military.  I can only imagine what my Dad and all the other WW11 vets would say if they saw America today. Laws without justice and mayors, govs, etc support terrorists over law abiding citizens. I really miss the America I grew up in. The law and justice used to mean the same thing, not anymore.
The EVILDEMS have turned OUR United States Capitol into a fortress, NO PATRIOTS allowed. Completely fenced in with razor wire on top and thousands of well armed military to guard them. I'll shut up for now. CHARLIE.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

[Lloyd Smale]

I think this has been in the wood work for years. Just waiting for a chance to have ideal conditions to spring it. They know about all we can do is complain. They have the power to stomp out any kind of stand we make because theyve made it about impossible to organize anything big enough to stop them. They have the national guard and the military. Any start to organizing would be trampled and called another gun crazy redneck insurrection and be snuffed out imediately. they can do anything they want and that was proven yesterday with them going after the supreme court. Nothing is out of bounds for them and they dont give a dammed what any american thinks of there power grab and especially some conservative. What will stop it? Probably russia or china. Biden made a big mistake threatening russia with sanctions. Putin is looking for an excuse to make an example out of him and china is locked and loaded. Im more conserned right now that we may need to learn a new language then i am that there going to make me paint flowers on my goverment issued electric toyota van.

[pastorp]

As a student of the Bible, and Bible prophecy I’ve always wondered why the USA seems to be absent from end times prophecy. But at the moment it seems like the USA is removing herself as the world super power so the enemies of Israel can begin the attempt to wipe out Israel. Only one event left before all hell breaks lose on this world, the rapture of the church.

[Doublebass73]

The Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its own debt, we will too. That might be the best thing to happen actually, the states could then go back to being sovereign like the founders intended. The Anti-Federalists were right about opposing a strong central government.

[Dee]

The Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its own debt, we will too. That might be the best thing to happen actually, the states could then go back to being sovereign like the founders intended. The Anti-Federalists were right about opposing a strong central government.

Its something to consider.

[oldandslow]

Our descendants are going to be speaking Chinese. Bill Clinton gave the nation to them when he gave them "most favored nation" trade status. If they get in a hurry and make war on us we can't fight back as our manufacturing capacity is almost nothing today and we can't wage a war for very long. If they are patient we will just implode economically and they can walk in and take over.

[Lloyd Smale]

I wouldnt doubt a bit that would happen but it would be short lived. When we split into separate governments we just made it as easy as landing on our shore for the russians and chinese. They know it would be like taking candy from a baby if were werent united. Are military would die the day it collapsed because nobody would be paying for them. Either that or one of our military leaders would stage a take over like has happened in many countries. 

The Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its own debt, we will too. That might be the best thing to happen actually, the states could then go back to being sovereign like the founders intended. The Anti-Federalists were right about opposing a strong central government.

[Argent 88]

Rome fell the same way to her enemy's. Apathy soon followed, and they couldn't support thier military much less pay or feed them. Then they split up into the eastern empire and what was left of the west fell into chaos.
So did most of the known world. Are we going to end up the same way? True Republics have always been short lived.

[mcbammer]

Not much will ever change until
people start having to do without
all the conveniences that our
forefathers sacrificed so much
so that we wouldn't have to.
Scarce food and water, bad
sanitation and utilities, no
gasoline, especially no cellphones,
no pizza man, etc. etc.


Just maybe, people might start to
take notice of what's happening

  YES sir  ,  when the belly button starts touching the backbone [ lookout ]

[Doublebass73]

I wouldnt doubt a bit that would happen but it would be short lived. When we split into separate governments we just made it as easy as landing on our shore for the russians and chinese. They know it would be like taking candy from a baby if were werent united. Are military would die the day it collapsed because nobody would be paying for them. Either that or one of our military leaders would stage a take over like has happened in many countries. 

The Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its own debt, we will too. That might be the best thing to happen actually, the states could then go back to being sovereign like the founders intended. The Anti-Federalists were right about opposing a strong central government.

There would definitely be turmoil and a power vacuum but there was as well when the Soviet Union collapsed, the Soviet states Balkanized and most of them went their own way without interference from the Russians or China. Remember, if each state goes sovereign you still have the national guard so their control would be fully under the state governors for defense. They'd still be getting paid. On top of that you have a well armed America so it wouldn't be a cakewalk for any country to come in here and take over. Any active duty would most likely join their state's national guard. States could band together by region and form their own unions/defenses as well.

[Dee]

I wouldnt doubt a bit that would happen but it would be short lived. When we split into separate governments we just made it as easy as landing on our shore for the russians and chinese. They know it would be like taking candy from a baby if were werent united. Are military would die the day it collapsed because nobody would be paying for them. Either that or one of our military leaders would stage a take over like has happened in many countries. 

The Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its own debt, we will too. That might be the best thing to happen actually, the states could then go back to being sovereign like the founders intended. The Anti-Federalists were right about opposing a strong central government.

There would definitely be turmoil and a power vacuum but there was as well when the Soviet Union collapsed, the Soviet states Balkanized and most of them went their own way without interference from the Russians or China. Remember, if each state goes sovereign you still have the national guard so their control would be fully under the state governors for defense. They'd still be getting paid. On top of that you have a well armed America so it wouldn't be a cakewalk for any country to come in here and take over. Any active duty would most likely join their state's national guard. States could band together by region and form their own unions/defenses as well.

Agreed DB. That could work.

[Argent 88]

If it continues like it is, there will definitely be a split up. Some of the poorer states might even end up getting annexed by the bigger neighboring states. Like I'm sure Texas would want to do to this part of NM. So to hold on to they're oil interest.

[Graybeard]

American gun owners are the largest standing army on the planet. We might not be organized but if invaded by an army from another nation I have to think folks would resist. Tho at this time we're not resisting the invasion across our southern border.

[oldandslow]

Yes, but a lot of them are doddering old farts like you and I, GB.  We would have to be sitting army.

[Dee]

Yes, but a lot of them are doddering old farts like you and I, GB.  We would have to be sitting army.

Well that's true, but let them liberals do all the standing, and the invading armies do all the running.

[Mule 11]

American gun owners are the largest standing army on the planet. We might not be organized but if invaded by an army from another nation I have to think folks would resist. Tho at this time we're not resisting the invasion across our southern border.

We... Are the largest Standing Army in the world... If We were to ever organize. Nothing could stop us...

[Graybeard]

Yes, but a lot of them are doddering old farts like you and I, GB.  We would have to be sitting army.

Ain't that the truth O&S, I sure can't stand for long so  you're right, I'd have to be a sitting army.

[Mule 11]

American gun owners are the largest standing army on the planet. We might not be organized but if invaded by an army from another nation I have to think folks would resist. Tho at this time we're not resisting the invasion across our southern border.

I would think that would be a great test of our metal. Defend the border from both sides... Im in. Anyone else?

[powderman]

Yes, but a lot of them are doddering old farts like you and I, GB.  We would have to be sitting army.

HEH, I resemble that. CHARLIE. 

[wtxbadger]

This is as much a spiritual battle as it is ideology if not more so on the spiritual side. We are at a turning/crisis point and the survival of our nation depends on motivating those in leadership to take a stand along with every concerned person in this country. It takes being involved and expressing your concerns to your state and federal reps. If you don't communicate to them your concerns and opinions how are they supposed to represent you? My post is not directed at anyone here but it is a simple statement of fact that the only way we accomplish anything in life is not by standing by the wayside and trusting to luck but being actively involved in trying to make a change.

[Ranger99]

Well I may be wrong,  but IMO
when the SHTF for really real,
there won't be any such thing as
a fence sitter anymore.
You'll have to pick a side and
actively participate or be worm
dirt.  Depending on what happens,
you may not have a choice of a side

[Bob Riebe]

I wouldnt doubt a bit that would happen but it would be short lived. When we split into separate governments we just made it as easy as landing on our shore for the russians and chinese. They know it would be like taking candy from a baby if were werent united. Are military would die the day it collapsed because nobody would be paying for them. Either that or one of our military leaders would stage a take over like has happened in many countries. 

The Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its own debt, we will too. That might be the best thing to happen actually, the states could then go back to being sovereign like the founders intended. The Anti-Federalists were right about opposing a strong central government.

There would definitely be turmoil and a power vacuum but there was as well when the Soviet Union collapsed, the Soviet states Balkanized and most of them went their own way without interference from the Russians or China. Remember, if each state goes sovereign you still have the national guard so their control would be fully under the state governors for defense. They'd still be getting paid. On top of that you have a well armed America so it wouldn't be a cakewalk for any country to come in here and take over. Any active duty would most likely join their state's national guard. States could band together by region and form their own unions/defenses as well.

Yep we could have our own little ethnic wars just like what happened to Yugoslavia, and better yet, there would be no NATO or arrogant foreign president to stop the killing, brilliant.

Americans are hard learners and no matter how miserable this is, it is better than if it had not happened because we were at an increasing pace,  selling the country to arrogant elite; this stopped that.
How ever it turns out , God will either fix it his way, or let us rot, our way.

[Lloyd Smale]

I dont think russia and china together or separately with ORGANIZED highly trained and well equipped soldier would have much problem against some rednecks like me with ar15s and 3030s. Soliders today are the same as the 8 week wonders they sent into battle in ww2. there highly trained and highly organized and very well armed with state of the art equipment. To many watching bs shows like red dawn. Look at this country today. We are already at war with each other. Now take a country that no longer had federal leadership and already has states that hate each other. Heck we even have neighbors that are our enemies. You think they would actually pull together!! All russia and china have to do is sit back and let ups beat each other up to the point we are so weak they can walk in.

 Russia and China are licking there lips right now. There opportunity is almost here if not here already. This country hasnt been more torn apart since the civil war and at least then there was a clear dividing line. You couldnt even get a town to pull together let alone a whole state and a group of states is just a dream. Would russia and china loose some troops running over us? You bet they would but they dont care. They dont have liberal soccer moms making decisions and dont have to listen to people complain. They could care less if they have some expectable losses. Look at history. Look at when Russia fell. They would have been easy pickings for us just as we will be for them. Only difference is we didnt take advantage. A mistake Potvin wont make. We have only one way to win this and thats the vote in the next mid term and the next presidential vote.

Overthrow a government by force and youd better be brushing up on your Russian and Chinese. I could even see with bidens ties with china making his son a general and china coming over and fighting with him against us to split the spoils then turning on russia. Chinas goal of world domination is just a tick away from hitlers. Theres nothing much they wouldnt do to accomplish it.

Nope heres what happens in an invasion. HALF the country goes running to hide (the liberals) lets be generous and say a 1/3 of the conservatives are right with them. Then you get into the good ones. Out of them how many are going to choose to fire instead of hiding to not put there familys in harms way. Stand out on your porch with an ar and not only you die but your kids too. Throw out the keyboard commandos and those idiots like the ones in those rally's waving ar15s with camo bandanas and bandoleros of ammo. They will be busy changing there under ware. Whats left a small percentage of men and women who find courage that have no training and a few ex military and police that have been tested in combat. That right there is your army. For the most part those millions of guns private citizens own will be picked up by the invaders and used against you. Always amazed me how a computer brings out the bad ass in so many. Like i said we have only one hope and thats elections and that is why the democrats are so fixated on stopping free elections. they know dammed well that we arent going to get enough people together to stop them any other way. I hate to say it but if we loose the midterms the presidential election is about toast too and you can say good by to the america we grew up in and theres not a dammed thing we can do to stop it except thump our chests and make idle threats. Your elected officials will be by then to the point there inviting russia and china to come over and give them leadership training.

[Doublebass73]

Throw out the keyboard commandos

Always amazed me how a computer brings out the bad ass in so many

Any other passive aggressive personal attacks you want to throw out there? At least be a man with your personal attacks and name names.

[Dee]

Well I may be wrong,  but IMO
when the SHTF for really real,
there won't be any such thing as
a fence sitter anymore.
You'll have to pick a side and
actively participate or be worm
dirt.  Depending on what happens,
you may not have a choice of a side

I agree, but the so called "glory of war" of war will not at all be like many think.
I can see if things continue to deteriorate, States attempting to break off and form coalitions with other states.
I can see both local, state, and NGs that are like minded doing this for security purposes.
Would they be successful. Time would tell, but the opportunity may present itself.

[Doublebass73]

I wouldnt doubt a bit that would happen but it would be short lived. When we split into separate governments we just made it as easy as landing on our shore for the russians and chinese. They know it would be like taking candy from a baby if were werent united. Are military would die the day it collapsed because nobody would be paying for them. Either that or one of our military leaders would stage a take over like has happened in many countries. 

The Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its own debt, we will too. That might be the best thing to happen actually, the states could then go back to being sovereign like the founders intended. The Anti-Federalists were right about opposing a strong central government.

There would definitely be turmoil and a power vacuum but there was as well when the Soviet Union collapsed, the Soviet states Balkanized and most of them went their own way without interference from the Russians or China. Remember, if each state goes sovereign you still have the national guard so their control would be fully under the state governors for defense. They'd still be getting paid. On top of that you have a well armed America so it wouldn't be a cakewalk for any country to come in here and take over. Any active duty would most likely join their state's national guard. States could band together by region and form their own unions/defenses as well.

Yep we could have our own little ethnic wars just like what happened to Yugoslavia, and better yet, there would be no NATO or arrogant foreign president to stop the killing, brilliant.

Americans are hard learners and no matter how miserable this is, it is better than if it had not happened because we were at an increasing pace,  selling the country to arrogant elite; this stopped that.
How ever it turns out , God will either fix it his way, or let us rot, our way.

Did you miss the part where I said there would be turmoil and a power vacuum? Of course there will be issues with tribalism but not not all states are socialist dungholes, some of us will be just fine.