50 years ago..was Bishop Sheen prophetic?

[ironglows]

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  Here is the man 50 years ago (about 1970) speaking at his regular, weekly address.  Of course, we had just been torn by the gross stupidity of the late 1960s, but he seems to have reached out further ahead.  Seems uncanny...
   He seemed to foresee the idiocy we are wrapped up in now...and the reasons for it !  That little joke he starts
   with, a woman elected president in 2024.. I hope that is somebody like Kristi Noem..

    Was he prophetic in 1970?  You look and decide..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOKlHUqOsIM

   One thing he missed, he spoke of the mob wanting to destroy the universities...but it didn't work that way...

   The mad mob moved in and took the universities over..

[powderman]

PETE. I don't do 25 min videos, what did he say?? CHARLIE. 

[ironglows]

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  Basically, he predicted the screwed up world we face today..almost to the last detail !  He named movements, and described just how they operate...which is exactly how they are acting today!

   Actually what he speaks about, could have been observed over the last 50 years, by anyone with a processing brain!   Some did observe the actions, but many who were in a position to change these activities (politicians), did zip about it!

   Other were so bereft of good sense, that they have joined in with these sinister movements.  Just a replay of what happened to Russia in 1917, China in 1949 and Cuba in 1959..

 It seems that in each case, it all starts with a refusal by rebellious souls, to recognize a sovereign and Holy God !

[Dee]

Yeah, Christ made this same prophecies a little over 2,000 years ago.

[ironglows]

Yeah, Christ made this same prophecies a little over 2,000 years ago.

   I don't recall where Jesus mentioned Thomas Jefferson, St Just, Toynbee, the Marxist elitists or the communist pattern of civil destruction, just to mention a few...

  Yes, Jesus made many predictions..praise God!  This video is interesting, in that it refers to what is happening presently, except the bishop foretold today's events 50 years ago.

  Of course the bishop is no prophet, but he was very perceptive.  No doubt there were a number of particularly perceptive individuals at that time.  I just happened to find this one.

  Did you view the video?

[Dee]

Yeah, Christ made this same prophecies a little over 2,000 years ago.

   I don't recall where Jesus mentioned Thomas Jefferson, St Just, Toynbee, the Marxist elitists or the communist pattern of civil destruction, just to mention a few...

  Yes, Jesus made many predictions..praise God!  This video is interesting, in that it refers to what is happening presently, except the bishop foretold today's events 50 years ago.

  Of course the bishop is no prophet, but he was very perceptive.  No doubt there were a number of particularly perceptive individuals at that time.  I just happened to find this one.

  Did you view the video?

Jesus didn't mention the decimation and genocide of the American Indian by the United States government either. He didn't mention the theft of their land, or the death marches from their homelands in the east to a little place called Oklahoma.
He didn't mention Sherman, who burned cities such as Atlanta Georgia, or Lincoln who used the United States military to kill Southerners who disagreed with him on states rights so almost a million men, women, and children, were killed in the name of saving the Union.
But neither did your Mr Sheen.
It's all about perception.

And no, I don't do 20 minute videos either.

[ironglows]

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  It would seem that if one ignores a video, they wouldn't be inclined to remark upon it !

[Dee]

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  It would seem that if one ignores a video, they wouldn't be inclined to remark upon it !

You mean like Charlie did? I, like Charlie accepted your synopsis. If you didn't misconstrue it, then your synopsis should be fairly accurate. Agreed?
Anyone that has done a reasonable amount of Biblical study can use a myriad of world events over the last 2,000 years and compare it to Bible prophecy.
Hal Lindsey is just 1 example that has made himself a millionaire by being wrong in his books, time after time, but people forget, and buy his latest Bible prophecy book, and he makes another million.

You, I, or Charlie may not agree on various issues, Biblical or otherwise, but any one of us could compare a past event with biblical prophecy. In fact both of you do so regularly.
I'm not offended by it, but sometimes I disagree.
The one difference is, you and Charlie take it personally, and have trouble with me disagreeing, and then moving on.
I don't take it personally, and I "don't discard" everything you two say regarding other topics.
Most times I do agree, and say so.
My point on this topic was, and is, Sheen used the obvious, just like Lindsey and others have done for many,  many years.

[ironglows]

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  I don't take it personally, in fact I only offered the video for perusal and any rejection of the video doesn't bother me.

  During the time that message was made by the bishop, the country had just come through the violence and stupidity of the "sickening sixties"..  Surely, you must recall how many cities were burned and neighborhoods destroyed by raging mobs..
  Most laid the blame on American leftists, student liberals and rabble-rouser professors.  Few seemed to see the underlying ideology behind all the unrest, or if they did, said nothing about it.

    The bishop clearly saw the threat, and recognized the roots..giving a clear warning for the future, for those bright enough to heed it.  That is why I described it as "uncanny"..because it apparently was beyond the 'ken' of almost all our federally elected representatives since the 1970s.

  At least, very few did anything about it !  So I just presented the video to illustrate how few really "get it"!

[Dee]

I didn't reject your video I just took your synopsis as to what it was about.  I almost never watch any videos posted here.
Having graduated high school in 1968, I remember the 60s very well.
The 60s pushed scoundrels like Lyndon Johnson to the forefront. He forced churches into 401C3s to shut their preachers up down here in the south with the Johnson Amendment, and helped promote the deaths of over 50 thousand Americans in Vietnam.
The message was lost in all the protests and riots due to the hippie drug culture which I skipped.
The war on poverty destroyed minority families, and promoted more corruption.
J Edgar Hoover comes to mind.
Not everyone missed the decline.

[ironglows]

I didn't reject your video I just took your synopsis as to what it was about.  I almost never watch any videos posted here.
Having graduated high school in 1968, I remember the 60s very well.
The 60s pushed scoundrels like Lyndon Johnson to the forefront. He forced churches into 401C3s to shut their preachers up down here in the south with the Johnson Amendment, and helped promote the deaths of over 50 thousand Americans in Vietnam.
The message was lost in all the protests and riots due to the hippie drug culture which I skipped.
The war on poverty destroyed minority families, and promoted more corruption.
J Edgar Hoover comes to mind.
Not everyone missed the decline.

  You're dead on target there, Dee ! I skipped that hippie, drug scene too!  In fact it was filled with revulsion for it!
  Tragically, many of those "drop out, drug up", clowns are now senators, governors, mayors and others who are "crookeding"  their way around congress..

[Dee]

That was my point from the start. While Mr Sheen is correct, anyone spending any time studying scripture could come to the same conclusions.
Moral decay in federal governmental governing naturally continues to degrade, and the farther down the road you get from historical events, the further you get from the truth of that event.
We are constantly morphing history, and the participants in that history, into something it, and they were not.

[ironglows]

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  Which is one thing that makes the Bible so unique..  Unlike secular accounts of history, which can be shaded, or even reversed over time, the Bible has not factually changed over it's 5,000 year span !

[Dee]

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  Which is one thing that makes the Bible so unique..  Unlike secular accounts of history, which can be shaded, or even reversed over time, the Bible has not factually changed over it's 5,000 year span !

It depends on which Bible you pick up. Many of these new "translations" have changed, and even left out certain scriptures.

[ironglows]

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  Which is one thing that makes the Bible so unique..  Unlike secular accounts of history, which can be shaded, or even reversed over time, the Bible has not factually changed over it's 5,000 year span !

It depends on which Bible you pick up. Many of these new "translations" have changed, and even left out certain scriptures.

  I know what you mean there..I was speaking about the valid translations (IMO).

  Some are "word-for-word" translations..e.g.  KJV, NKJV, ASB, NASB and ESV..to name a few..

  Many others are referred to as "thought-for-thought" translations, when the translator(s) can interject their thoughts..assuming they know the thoughts of the inspired writers...and God who inspired them..

[Dee]

Not necessarily.

[Bob Riebe]

To Expand on Dan's rhetoric:

The New Testament verses not included in modern English translations are verses of the New Testament that exist in older English translations (primarily the King James Version), but do not appear or have been relegated to footnotes in later versions, such as the New International Version (NIV). Scholars have generally regarded these verses as later additions to the original text.

Although many lists of missing verses specifically name the NIV as the version that had omitted them, these same verses are missing from the main text (and mostly relegated to footnotes) by the Revised Version of 1881 (RV), the American Standard Version of 1901,[1] the Revised Standard Version of 1947 (RSV),[2] the Today's English Version (the Good News Bible) of 1966,[3] and several others. Lists of "missing" verses and phrases go back to the Revised Version[4] and to the Revised Standard Version,[5] without waiting for the appearance of the NIV (1973). Some of these lists of "missing verses" specifically mention "sixteen verses" – although the lists are not all the same.[6]

The citations of manuscript authority use the designations popularized in the catalog of Caspar Rene Gregory, and used in such resources (which are also used in this remainder of this article) as Souter,[7] Nestle-Aland,[8] and the UBS Greek New Testament[9] (which gives particular attention to 'problem' verses such as these).[10] Some Greek editions published well before the 1881 Revised Version made similar omissions.[11]

The criterion for the editorial decision about excluding these passages was never religious doctrine or sentiment, but always whether the tangible evidence indicated the passage was probably in the original New Testament text or was a later addition. The removal or relegation of these verses was done in keeping with the principle of critical editing, as articulated (but not originated) by what Rev. Samuel T. Bloomfield wrote in 1832, "Surely, nothing dubious ought to be admitted into 'the sure word' of 'The Book of Life'."[12] A movement called King James Version Only (KJVO), which believes that only the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible (1611) in English is the true word of God, has sharply criticized these translations for the omitted verses.[13][14]

In most instances another verse, elsewhere in the New Testament and remaining in modern versions, is very similar to the verse that was omitted because of its doubtful provenance. These are mentioned to show that the omission of the doubtful verse did not cause the loss of the teaching it expressed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Testament_verses_not_included_in_modern_English_translations

Without people such as Bishop Sheen, most people would have no idea of how we are repeating past failures, or as one Book says -- There is nothing new under the Sun.
God , in my opinion, has chosen certain men of the Faith, to convey his words most efficiently; when I was young I often listened to Bishop Sheen when TV stations signed off for the night.

[Dee]

The newer versions in comparison to the original kjv have over 60,000 changes and or outright deletions of scripture.
Is the original kjv perfect? No, but I'll take it over the others.
My choice is a Thompson Chain Reference in original KJV.

[ironglows]

Not necessarily.

   I don't know where you got that information, but it is erroneous.  I just checked them out, side by side.  In each case the NKJV and the KJV compare directly, saying the same thing!

 Check them out; same info..in most cases the very same words The NKJV for instance, has gone back to the "received text" and translated from there. 

  Any noticeable differences almost invariably, are simple word updates.  For instance, (Exodus 28:11)

  "With the work of an engraver in stone, like the engravings of a signet, shalt thou engrave the two stones with the names of the children of Israel: thou shalt make them to be set in ouches of gold."
  (KJV)

  So, one may wonder.."What in the world are "ouches"?
   
   The NKJV answers the question here;

   "With the work of an engraver in stone, like the engravings of a signet, you shall engrave the two stones with the names of the sons of Israel. You shall set them in settings of gold. (NKJV)


   Just updated wording..  ..But if you prefer the KJV, that is great..excellent translation, although archaic in places.  I used to be a "KJV only, but more study led me along.

  The KJV is still an excellent translation, however..