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Elon Musk admits people will die going to Mars.
« on: April 26, 2021, 05:31:01 AM »

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/elon-musk-people-probably-die-mars-mission

Elon Musk has admitted that "a bunch of people will probably die" in the race to get to Mars.

The SpaceX pioneer made his blunt prediction as he laughed at how his planned Mars mission was being seen as "some escape hatch for rich people."

"You might die, it’s going to be uncomfortable and probably won’t have good food," Musk told Peter Diamandis, the founder and chairman of the X Prize Foundation for scientific discovery

Advertisements for the journey should note how it will be an "arduous and dangerous journey where you may not come back alive," Musk said with a chuckle.

"Honestly, a bunch of people will probably die in the beginning," he said, while insisting it will also be "a glorious adventure and it will be an amazing experience."

It’s "not for everyone," he stressed — adding with another chuckle, "Volunteers only!" Musk’s space company has launched more than 100 rockets over the past decade in its effort to bring tourists to the Moon and Mars — but a number of the unmanned prototypes have gone up in flames.

Still, Musk predicted in December that his company will have humans on Mars by 2026.
In 2015, Musk discussed putting a city on Mars after a successful rocket landing by SpaceX. He then published a paper in June 2017 on making humanity a multi-planetary species, laying out plans for having as many as 1 million people on Mars.

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Re: Elon Musk admits people will die going to Mars.
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2021, 09:32:13 AM »
Yup I sure agree folks will die in the effort to put man on Mars, of course I'm still one of those who don't even believe we've put man on the moon. I do believe one day humans will make it to Mars, I'm not sure the first ones to go will still be alive when they get there and am even more certain they won't return alive.

Still folks will volunteer to get their names in the history books.


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Re: Elon Musk admits people will die going to Mars.
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2021, 09:39:02 AM »
Thing is, NASA and SpaceX are getting a lot of volunteers. All ages, includeing a few older astronauts with experience. At my age, heck I would go. Would you? Ship still needs to be assembled in orbit. Even the experts are saying that. SpaceX has had a very good track record with the Falcon 9. We had international participation
when we built the ISS by doing it useing modular construction. 

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Re: Elon Musk admits people will die going to Mars.
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2021, 09:54:20 AM »
Of course there would be some problems in an endeavor like that we can't yet predict. But the first flight would expose some of those. It would be the most dangerous. Musk has made his starship out of stainless Steel.   
Personally I think the man is a genius.

 

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Re: Elon Musk admits people will die going to Mars.
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2021, 09:59:56 AM »
No I would not volunteer to go and I'd be useless to the rest of the team if I did. This old body is way past its warranty date.


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Re: Elon Musk admits people will die going to Mars.
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2021, 10:17:31 AM »
No I would not volunteer to go and I'd be useless to the rest of the team if I did. This old body is way past its warranty date.

But Bill you would be weightless, handling weightless things. That's why there has been a focus on qualified older people. Who know they may never come back.

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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2021, 10:37:49 AM »
https://www.nasa.gov/content/fighting-cancer-with-microgravity-research/


Tumor cells grow on microcarrier beads (indicated by arrow) within a NASA bioreactor. These cells were grown as part of NASA-sponsored breast cancer research. Dr. Jeanne Becker/NASA Spinoff
Image Credit: Dr. Jeanne Becker/NASA Spinoff

Scanning Electron Micrograph of a human Muellerian ovarian cancer cell nurtured in microgravity conditions. The three-dimensional structure shown is much closer in true size and form to natural tumor cells found in cancer patients.
Image Credit: NASA

Time-lapse exposure of Bioreactor rotation. The bioreactor is a special incubator that gently spins to circulate cells’ growth medium, while preventing turbulence that can harm the cells. NASA/Dennis Olive
Image Credit: NASA/Dennis Olive
 
For lab-coated cancer biologists, peering through microscopes at stained tissue samples under fluorescent lights, the International Space Station may be the last thing that comes to mind. But 40 years of microgravity research proves cancer biologists may indeed want to look 220 miles up. Space provides physical conditions that are not possible on Earth, and as it turns out, those conditions may be ripe for studying cancer -- along with a wide range of other diseases.
Cells in the human body normally grow within support structures made up of proteins and carbohydrates, which is how organs -- and tumors -- maintain their three-dimensional shapes. In lab settings, however, cells grow flat, spreading out in sheets. Because they don't duplicate the shapes they normally would make in the body, they don't behave the way they would in the body, either. This poses problems for scientists who study cancer by examining genetic changes affecting cell growth and development.
Scientists have devised several laboratory methods to mimic normal cellular behavior, but none of them work exactly the way the body does. In space, however, cells that are not inside a living organism, called in vitro cells, still arrange themselves into three-dimensional groupings, or aggregates. These aggregates more closely resemble what happens in the body. Cells in microgravity also can clump together more easily, and they experience reduced fluid shear stress -- a type of turbulence that can affect their behavior. All these factors can help scientists study cell behavior -- and how changes in that behavior can lead to cancer -- in a state more closely resembling cells in the body.
"So many things change in 3-D, it's mind-blowing -- when you look at the function of the cell, how they present their proteins, how they activate genes, how they interact with other cells," said Jeanne Becker, Ph.D., a cell biologist at Nano3D Biosciences in Houston and principal investigator for the CBOSS-1-Ovarian study. "The variable that you are most looking at here is gravity, and you can't really take away gravity on Earth. You have to go where gravity is reduced."
Becker is the author of a recent paper in Nature Reviews Cancer  that surveys the past four decades of cell biology research in microgravity, and how the findings continue to inform cancer research on Earth. Starting with Skylab in the 1970s and leading up to current in-orbit investigations, Becker and co-author Glauco R. Souza highlight nearly 200 scientific papers drawn from space-based experiments and investigations.
Experiments on the space shuttle, Russian vehicles and the space station have shown changes in immune cells, including changes in cell-signaling cytokines, indicating the immune system is suppressed in microgravity. Even the architecture of cells changes in microgravity, with changes to cell walls, internal organization and even their basic shapes. In space, according to Becker's review, cells are more round.
Other studies have shown many changes in genetic expression. During an investigation on the STS-90 mission aboard space shuttle Columbia in 1998, cells were cultured for six days and returned to Earth for analysis. Afterward, an examination of 10,000 genes revealed the expressions of 1,632 genes were altered in microgravity, relative to ground controls. This was the first experiment to show reduced gravity can affect a wide range of genes.
Aboard Columbia during its STS-107 mission, prostate cancer and bone cells grew in a three-dimensional structure inside the Bioreactor Demonstration System (BDS–05). Early indications showed large aggregates of cells, indicating large growth, Becker said. But the study was lost, along with the shuttle and its crew, during re-entry on Feb. 1, 2003.
The Cellular Biotechnology Operations Support System (CBOSS-01-Ovarian) investigation aboard the space station contains a cell incubator that can grow 3-D clusters of cells, and scientists have used it to examine changes to human colon, ovarian and other cancer cells. In one recent result, Becker noted reduced production of cytokines in a human Muellerian ovarian (LN1) tumor cell line. Cytokines are small proteins that are secreted to mediate and regulate immunity and inflammation. Understanding changes in production of these proteins, and the changes in cell signaling that contribute to those production changes, could help researchers understand the mechanisms of tumor cell development.
Although cells grow in three-dimensional structures in microgravity, they don't possess blood vessels that can provide oxygen and nutrients, so the cells at the center of an aggregate will likely die. But that's still not a disadvantage, Becker said. Bulky tumors also have areas of dead tissue near their centers, which coincides with a slow cancer growth rate."You also have nearby cells that are not dead, but they're not really cycling. They are very much still cancer, and they can develop increased areas of chemo resistance," said Becker. "That mirrors exactly what you see in human cancer."
Even while they're sitting at the lab bench, researchers could reach new heights using the station's microgravity environment, Becker said. "I've had the chance to see firsthand the things that can happen. It's pretty amazing. It's a shame to not take full advantage of this platform for discovery," she said. "It's the only lab of its kind; that's it. And now is the time, because the station is entirely finished and available."
In recent years, research on Earth has caught up with 3-D cell structures. Investigations examining cancer cells and other tissues use a collagen gel matrix, which suspends cells in 3-D. Combining these techniques with the resources available in microgravity may inform entirely new approaches for studying cancer. Ultimately, microgravity- and Earth-based research could help scientists pinpoint the cellular changes that lead to cancer and possibly find new ways to prevent them, leading to new treatments that could enhance the quality of life for patients with the disease.
Rebecca Boyle
International Space Station Program Science Office

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Re: Elon Musk admits people will die going to Mars.
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2021, 10:58:21 AM »
Volunteers, I would know I'm not coming home. But at least I got to see Mars up close, even living on it for a short time. Yes I would do that. And report back all my experiences, for others who would come. I'm expendable, the future of mankind isn't. And it may end up coming down to that.

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Re: Elon Musk admits people will die going to Mars.
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2021, 11:16:29 AM »
No I would not volunteer to go and I'd be useless to the rest of the team if I did. This old body is way past its warranty date.

Yeah, I think my warranty is out to Bill. I've been right up to, and all along the Canadian border. Never wanted to see Canada any closer than that.
Been right up to, and all along the Mexican border. Never wanted to see Mexico any closer than that.
I've never left the United States, and never wanted to. But it wouldn't make me mad if everyone else did.
You may all go to hell, I will go to Texas. Davy Crockett

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Re: Elon Musk admits people will die going to Mars.
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2021, 11:53:12 AM »
No I would not volunteer to go and I'd be useless to the rest of the team if I did. This old body is way past its warranty date.

Yeah, I think my warranty is out to Bill. I've been right up to, and all along the Canadian border. Never wanted to see Canada any closer than that.
Been right up to, and all along the Mexican border. Never wanted to see Mexico any closer than that.
I've never left the United States, and never wanted to. But it wouldn't make me mad if everyone else did.

I have Dee, and you ain't missing much.


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Re: Elon Musk admits people will die going to Mars.
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2021, 02:17:58 PM »
Mexico used to be one heck of
a place to vacation and just go to
the other side and shop and eat
and fish and hunt.  There's always
been the rat holes, but there's plenty
of those here too.
The cartels decided to become Santa
clause and bought their way in, and
now all those people are more or less
subjects of the monarchy of dope.
They didn't just get taken over, they
were bought and paid for.  Sold
their souls
I wouldn't even go within 100 miles
of the river now
18 MINUTES.  . . . . . .

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Re: Elon Musk admits people will die going to Mars.
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2021, 03:38:49 AM »
Used to be that Juarez Mexico had a better hospital than El Paso did. Dentist also, Americans were going there for their dental care, and for their prescription drugs. Not now though, you can hear the gun fire, it's a common
thing.

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Re: Elon Musk admits people will die going to Mars.
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2021, 04:09:09 PM »
Haha gunfire from el Paso and Juarez  both
has been common way before I was ever born.
Used to be though, the policia and the BP
used to be able to do something about it without
getting their hands chopped off.
BP agents didn't have to be babysitters
and psychiatrists and counselors 40 years
ago.  Before my time if you were jumping
across and didn't comply immediately
when they told you to halt you might have
received a very loud greeting
18 MINUTES.  . . . . . .