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West Virginia and Kentucky
« on: April 29, 2021, 07:54:18 AM »
 Not retiring yet but will soon enough and will be moving to  place where cost of living is lower and more breathing space. WV and Ky are in the running from my perspective. Not too hot for too long and not in hurricane alley. Would be nice to have a fair amount of Freedom Loving Americans in the general population.

 Truth be told I've been to WV minimally and never to KY. What areas are decent, which are bad, from enviormental issues to crime. Hope to do something worthy as far as work goes, maybe self employed PT. Or if a dozen acres works might try a hobby farm.

 So, sound off, from your experiences please. 30CF
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Re: West Virginia and Kentucky
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2021, 10:57:44 AM »
I moved to northwest Texas. Big canyons, big deer, big turkeys, not many folks,  and taxes are low.
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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2021, 11:12:50 AM »
My experience is West Virginia is steep and the hollers are very deep. Tennesee is fine country between Knoxville and gatlinburg. Anything in between has some fine people. That’s all I have for you. Sorry. These areas of the Appalachia have some real history and liberal northerners are not very welcome.

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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2021, 12:42:56 PM »
 Tx for the replies. I should have mentioned being near a shooting club with a 200+ yd range would be nice also!

 Dee, I'm concerned about high heat/humidity and from what I've heard Tx is much of both. Is that correct?

 Mule 11, non liberal northerner here. Everyone seems to be moving to Tn and that usually runs prices higher for a place. Semi limited on what I could purchase, in general. I can travel to WV/Ky easy enough for a week to look things over, hence the inquiry there.

 When I said environmental issues I was concerned about water quality. If it's poor naturally it's one thing, usually can get a way to make it potable. Runoff from mining, dumping grounds, etc was the thing I'm concerned about.
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Re: West Virginia and Kentucky
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2021, 12:47:48 PM »
Right now its still getting down in the 40s at night, but we rockin along with high 60s to upper 80s occasionally. Its dry here, classified as "semi arid", so no. Not much humidity here.
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« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2021, 01:05:50 PM »
Kentucky has some good laws last time I visited there parks. Signs said Kentucky laws take precedence, federal laws all you can do is evict said federal law breaker if they don’t conform to federal law period... Something like that. Daniel Boone national forest is a fine place to visit... I believe that to stand for FTF.  F the feds...

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Re: West Virginia and Kentucky
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2021, 01:08:41 PM »
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  As I see it, both have plenty of both positives and negatives.  I have travelled to both a fair amount, but surely any resident of either on GBO, would be perhaps a better source.
  However, keeping in mind that good people and bad people can be found everywhere, here's my 2 cents.

  1) the 'Appalachia" parts of either state may have a lower cost of living figure..by necessity.  These same areas have relatively high unemployment, likely to go higher soon..with the policies of the Biden gang.  With that in mind,
  Being careful not to slight the many good people, there is an elevated drug problem..with attendant crime.
   
  The area around Lexington, KY is of course, quite scenic, and I do like the area around southwestern KY...perhaps Powderman can help you there.
     For West  Virginia, much is 'coal country' sharp ravines and high hills between..which run over into SW Ohio.
 With already tough times..things may not get any better. so long as the Dimwits are running Washington.
     
  A couple years ago, I visited historic Ft Boonesboro.. and went up through to visit the "Ark Encounter"..nice area..  Check locals for freedom & lack of restrictions.
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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2021, 03:47:14 AM »
Texas is a huge state and the living conditions vary greatly from north to south and east to west. The east has what I consider killer humidity and the western part will make you resemble a piece of dried out leather in a few years. There is nothing between Dalhart in the northern panhandle and the northpole except a barb wire fence that has fallen down in a lot of places and in  the extreme southern tip it seldom freezes. Just choose what type of climate you prefer and move on down. The farther west you go the less people you will encounter.

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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2021, 03:49:50 AM »
 Thanks again for the replies. Hope powderman can add to the discussion.

 West Texas sounds nice but I can't get there this year. I'm planning to drive to see what can be seen for a limited time, less than a week. It's not much but will give me an idea of sorts.

 I will put those areas mentioned on a short list ironglow, ty.

 Crime and drugs are all over, in the NE it's widespread and all social classes are involved. Breakdown of law and order are becoming a known tho. No stopping traffic violaters even if speeding down the a city street and running stop lights. Kinda like Beirut during the CW there, I think.

 Anyhow, no place here is perfect, not looking for that. Most of the places described so far sound decent.

 Thanks for the replies. 30cf
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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2021, 01:54:04 AM »
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  I have trucker friends who travel all 48 and many parts of Canada on a regular basis.  My friend Ward, did it regularly for many years, until he retired just a few months ago.  Although he does work upon occasion, on a local basis!
  It was just two years ago, that I asked Ward if he were to move to another state, where would he go.  He replied without hesitation....Tennessee !  Grant would likely move there, except for strong family ties and investments here.   I received that answer from other truck drivers also.  For what it is worth.

    Although you Texas was brought up, I'll comment lightly, since I spent some years there.  Keeping in mind, years there were decades ago, I agree that Texas being a large state differs area to area.   Geographically, Laredo is a far cry from Lufkin, and Orange is far different town than Odessa.

   One way of looking at it, is to look at the areas which border Texas, and consider the idea that geography, culture and people do not stop at the often, invisible line.  East Texas has a Louisiana flavor...and the same goes for the Rio Grande border, which is influenced by Mexico, and penetrates well into the state.. 

   This is on second thought, is probably true of most states, with the possible exception of Hawaii..for obvious reasons.. ;)  ;D

  Surely, northern Maine has French/Quebec influence..  Western NY State, where I live, has that same feature.
   People living in western NY are much like people living in western PA or Ohio.  They bear very little resemblance to the NY City dwellers, and have even less in common with their beliefs/customs.
    Those city folks who have more in common with the cities megalopolis running to 50 miles inland, which goes from the Virginia coast up through Massachusetts.

    What ever you do, try to spend some time in any place you are  considering, before you jump.  Even if you do move to a favored state..take a bit of time to 'learn the neighborhood' before you buy.

     One thing to keep in mind, if you are a hunter, trapper or into other outdoor sports.  Although some states boast much mountains, forests and open land..much of it is owned by corporate interests..timber, ranches, oil, gas and other minerals.   If you are allowed to hunt these lands, usually it would have to be through a club which pays well for a "hunting lease".
 
  As it stands in some northeastern states, leasing such land has not reached such lengths yet.  Hunting , fishing & trapping is by the owner's permission, and money does not normally change hands... friendship being the operative motivator there.
   Another consideration for a permanent move..  Which of the states are most likely to resist the current trend toward communism?  Texas gets high marks there, while the northeastern states get low grades.
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Re: West Virginia and Kentucky
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2021, 08:56:22 AM »
 Tx again for the additional replies, all are helpful.

 I'm in the NE, have friends up Maine and that has been a possibility but the political winds blowing there aren't good and the winters have been starting to get to me. Prolly an age thing. 3 months of cold is better than 7 or 8 IME.

 Anyhow, the reason for looking into the WV/Ky region is as stated, lower cost of living, more breathing room and more like minded folks regarding their American heritage. I know you can't have it all and things do change when we are getting comfortable with the way things are.

 Tn has had a big influx and I wouldn't expect things to change there TOO much but with the influx housing & property go up due to demand. Its like that in Ct now with lots of folks from NY moving here. Again, more change to come with the influx I'm sure.

 The west, Tx and other states, are interesting but not on the list for a visit this year. And the few family members are along the eastern seaboard.
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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2021, 09:27:14 AM »
How about buying a rv and travel till the market is more buyer friendly? That way you can move around a bit and really get the true feel of things. When done sell the rv for a profit...

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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2021, 09:41:35 AM »
How about buying a rv and travel till the market is more buyer friendly? That way you can move around a bit and really get the true feel of things. When done sell the rv for a profit...
 
   True, renting a spot by the month or on a semi-annual basis , can be no more expensive than the tax bill you were paying back home. ..But buying an RV.. using it and then selling it for profit , would be a would be a great deal, but rarely can be accomplished.
  Especially with the bigger, self-propelled types, since they lose up to 30% as soon as you drive it off the lot..

  Possibly if you can find someone with a very nice used one..and buy it at a super low price..
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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2021, 10:08:38 AM »
 The RV thing would work if I were looking across the lower 48 and had a year to spend doing it. I'm at the point in my life where getting a place chosen reasonably fast will work. Only a few big items to be the way I would like to make it a yes or no. Most  folks I've met in the USA are decent, but I've not hung around in places that draw those of a liberal/socialist persuasion, no big cities, etc. Even tho I'm outnumbered here.   >:(

 So it will be a several day run & gun for want of a better term. Take in some info, meet some folks and take in the scenery whilst there. Then dash back before someone thinks I'm missing!
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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2021, 12:03:33 PM »
How about buying a rv and travel till the market is more buyer friendly? That way you can move around a bit and really get the true feel of things. When done sell the rv for a profit...
 
   True, renting a spot by the month or on a semi-annual basis , can be no more expensive than the tax bill you were paying back home. ..But buying an RV.. using it and then selling it for profit , would be a would be a great deal, but rarely can be accomplished.
  Especially with the bigger, self-propelled types, since they lose up to 30% as soon as you drive it off the lot..

  Possibly if you can find someone with a very nice used one..and buy it at a super low price..
That’s what I meant... nobody makes a profit on new except the dealer... Actually what I meant was buying at a fair/reasonable price in like new condition. Ya know do your homework...

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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2021, 12:04:38 PM »
The RV thing would work if I were looking across the lower 48 and had a year to spend doing it. I'm at the point in my life where getting a place chosen reasonably fast will work. Only a few big items to be the way I would like to make it a yes or no. Most  folks I've met in the USA are decent, but I've not hung around in places that draw those of a liberal/socialist persuasion, no big cities, etc. Even tho I'm outnumbered here.   >:(

 So it will be a several day run & gun for want of a better term. Take in some info, meet some folks and take in the scenery whilst there. Then dash back before someone thinks I'm missing!

I wish you luck. You must be a gambler...

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« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2021, 12:53:32 PM »
How about buying a rv and travel till the market is more buyer friendly? That way you can move around a bit and really get the true feel of things. When done sell the rv for a profit...


Sell a used RV for a profit? Got news for you. They don’t gain in value like a house does. No matter how well cared for they depreciate in value and anything you add to one does the same. Been there, done that with a few.

Nearly everyone you will meet in west Texas and southeastern NM is friendly and willing to help if you have trouble. I doubt you will find any place better when it comes to having nice people. Anyway, good luck in your quest.

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« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2021, 01:03:57 PM »
How about buying a rv and travel till the market is more buyer friendly? That way you can move around a bit and really get the true feel of things. When done sell the rv for a profit...


Sell a used RV for a profit? Got news for you. They don’t gain in value like a house does. No matter how well cared for they depreciate in value and anything you add to one does the same. Been there, done that with a few.
Again. Talking about used that someone already lost there ass on when they pulled it off the lot... Hot market on used RV’s... Right now the housing and land market is a huge ballon filled market just waiting to bust. So buy up and lose. JMO. Worth every dime ya paid...

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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2021, 01:08:00 PM »
Again, good luck with that and don’t hold your breat waiting for it happen cause it won’t.

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« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2021, 01:16:11 PM »
How about buying a rv and travel till the market is more buyer friendly? That way you can move around a bit and really get the true feel of things. When done sell the rv for a profit...


Sell a used RV for a profit? Got news for you. They don’t gain in value like a house does. No matter how well cared for they depreciate in value and anything you add to one does the same. Been there, done that with a few.

Nearly everyone you will meet in west Texas and southeastern NM is friendly and willing to help if you have trouble. I doubt you will find any place better when it comes to having nice people. Anyway, good luck in your quest.
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« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2021, 01:18:21 PM »
Again, good luck with that and don’t hold your breat waiting for it happen cause it won’t.
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« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2021, 01:40:38 PM »
Ya know. The way things are going you guys in Texas May have to accept an ahole like me down there whether ya want to or not...

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« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2021, 05:23:54 PM »
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  For 30cal Flash;

  One tip when looking for an area to live.  Google earth cam tell you much about an area.  You can go down to street level wherever you may choose to check out.

  ok closely at homes in the neighborhood..  Do the homes have cyclone fences around each an every property?  If many homes have cyclone fences and barred windows and doors, there must be a reason, since this stuff is costly, and doesn't make a home look any better.

  Are the windows and/or storm doors barred for security?

  Now visit the school an d any parks which may be near.  Do they look well cared for!  Are the swings, slides and other equipment all in good working order..or are there some parts missing?
 
  How about the churches...do they also have to fence and bar windows on their property?  If the churches have to go to those lengths..no need to look further.

  Look at any public furnishings..bus stops, bridge abutments etc..are they in good shape, or covered with graffiti?  Same for any buildings..

  If you plan on living well beyond the sidewalks, you should check out the nearest towns for such signs of decay..

   Hope this helps!
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Re: West Virginia and Kentucky
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2021, 12:38:16 AM »
You left out the desert west so I'll add if you like 100 plus degrees,  desert landscaping, surrounded by native Americans, plenty of northern snowbirds in the nice winters, Californians flocking here then maybe you'll like it. But after a few years you will be a leathered old grouch. How do I know?

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« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2021, 03:11:00 AM »
Ya know. The way things are going you guys in Texas May have to accept an ahole like me down there whether ya want to or not...

Come on. As big as Texas is they can stand one more ahole and they might even change your attitude. Since I reside slightly over in NM I won't have to put up with you.  ;D

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« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2021, 03:29:54 AM »
Well I have been thinking the same thing. Does Texas have room for 2 aholes?

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« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2021, 06:27:13 AM »
I'm going to pass on increasing the number. Two of you might decide to stick together and gang up on people. I'm a slightly displaced Texan now but figured the state could stand at least one and I wouldn't have to deal with him.  ;D I will say this about Texas though. Things are going to have to worsen quite a bit over here before I would ever consider moving back. I still have freedom to do quite a few things that I enjoy that are not possible in Texas.

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« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2021, 06:43:31 AM »
I'm going to pass on increasing the number. Two of you might decide to stick together and gang up on people. I'm a slightly displaced Texan now but figured the state could stand at least one and I wouldn't have to deal with him.  ;D I will say this about Texas though. Things are going to have to worsen quite a bit over here before I would ever consider moving back. I still have freedom to do quite a few things that I enjoy that are not possible in Texas.
   Dang O & S you have my curiosity up now. What could you do in New Mexico that you couldn't in Texas? I thought pretty much everything was possible in some part of Texas maybe i'm totally wrong but sure thought it. 

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« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2021, 08:41:08 AM »
One consideration you should take into account is that almost all of the land is privately owned. Like to go out and prowl around in the boonies? Like to hunt without paying for a lease? You can do very little of either in Texas. Then there are property taxes to consider. NM has a ton of federal and state land where you can roam around to your heart's content anytime you want to, no dollars to anyone required. Property taxes are lower here also as long as you stay out of Santa Fe County. Sales tax, vehicle purchase tax, and registration are cheaper here. Yeah, we have a state income tax but even taking that into account you come out ahead unless you have a large income. I don't know how long the tax thing will last as the current regime was crowing about what great shape the state was in financially this year and then raised taxes on a lot of things. We have always had open carry although I seldom see anyone doing so and concealed carry which isn't difficult to get for quite sometime. Your vehicle including two wheeled ones is considered an extension of your home and you can carry what you want where you want loaded or not in it or on it. Crime is pretty low except for the larger towns. Most of the state is sparsely settled as it's not productive. If not for oil in my county there would be more cows than people in it.

I know that some people need to be around large towns and we don't have many. I'm one that prefers less people and that is a big part of my liking. I can get off a main highway and sometimes not see another vehicle for hours or maybe not at all on weekends.

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« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2021, 09:03:45 AM »
Very good information Sir. Appreciate it.