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Hunting Truck: Outfitting The Ultimate Rig
« on: May 01, 2021, 03:51:29 AM »
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By Corey Graff -April 22, 2021

Tackling America's wild places requires the right gear. Find out how to outfit the ultimate hunting truck with this gear.

What Gear Do You Need For Your Hunting Truck:

Recovery Gear

MaxTrax Traction Boards

Hi-Lift Jack

Rago Fabrication Mounts

Step 22 Gear Jack Cover for Hi-Lift Jack

Big Red Torin Steel Jack Stands

Bond Fiberglass Round Point Shovel

Glacier V-Bar Snow Tire Chains with Cam Tighteners

RotopaX Gas Canister

Navigation & Communication

Samsung Tab S7 5G Tablet

OnX Hunt and OnX Offroad

Gaia GPS

Yaesu FTM-100DR Transceiver

Meat Care

RTIC Hard Cooler 65 QT.

I don't know when or why the idea struck me. But somehow, a DIY mule deer hunt in Montana suddenly seemed like a good idea. Like many hunters, I focused all my attention on the rifle, optics, and ammo — the fun stuff. This reaction is natural. After all, these things play prominently when the moment of truth comes, and you have game in your sights. It's the moment that captures your daydreams and compels you to expend time, energy, and money planning the massive undertaking of western hunting.



Sako sent me a Finnlight II in .270 Win. and Swarovski provided a Z8i 1-8x24mm scope for the rifle. With high-end tools such as these, it didn't take long to find a tack-accurate load, and I soon had my dope to 400 yards scribbled on a napkin and committed firmly to memory (see my full review in the Gun Digest 2022 annual book).

But this is where the real adventure begins. For as I would come to learn, the rifle turned out to be the least of my worries for this western adventure. What kept me up at night was whether I adequately prepared myself to deal with Montana's extreme weather and desolate environs. The state's “gumbo” roads have claimed many a flatlander victim. These roads — a term that seems generous — can turn from solid gravel to clay-grease-from-hell so fast it'll make your head spin. Some men fear going bald; me, I fear sliding off thousand-foot rocky cliffs and dying in a fireball of mangled steel. Thus, outfitting my hunting truck demanded most of my time leading into the fall season.

If you think about it, your hunting truck is as critical as an accurate rifle: It can mean the difference between being at the right time and place to get a shot or getting mired in a muck hole and wasting your precious vacation days trying to get unstuck. That's especially true when much of the American West is beyond cell phone service, and you can drive all day and not happen upon one good Samaritan, let alone see a human. The last thing you want is to get stuck, lost, or stranded on some lonely backcountry trail. While all shooters and hunters have their favorite truck brands and models, here's why the Gun Digest team took a 2018 Toyota Tundra SR5 Off-road for a spin on the slick two tracks of Eastern Montana in pursuit of the mule deer, aka the gray ghost.

‘Yota Tundra Basics

The Tundra's 5.7L V-8 engine cranks 381 HP (401 lb-ft torque @ 3,600 rpm), and its 4.30 gear ratio puts serious power to the wheels, particularly when you turn off traction control and activate tow/haul mode.

The Tundra's sizeable 38-gallon fuel tank carries you farther, a bonus when the nearest gas station is hundreds of miles away. Toyota's legendary reliability made good sense to us when venturing into the unknown wilds. And it sports one of the tightest turning radiuses in the industry — 22 ft. — essential for such a massive trail rig.

While we didn't go overboard on overland upgrades, here's a snapshot of the additions that gave us the confidence to take the Tundra far off the road. Note: This is all stuff we trust and have purchased. None of it, not even the hunting truck, were provided to us for review.

Recovery Equipment

No matter how well a truck performs off-road, there is always a limit, and you should plan on eventually getting stuck. Some basic recovery gear can prove to be money well-spent and will provide peace of mind when you're deep in the backcountry.

MaxTrax: Traction boards (technically “Vehicle Recovery Devices”) are indestructible polymer boards with studded traction features. You place them under the tires of your hunting truck if you get caught in snow, mud, or sand. MaxTrax is the best. Don't mess around; buy it. maxtraxus.com



Hi-Lift Jack: The 48-inch Hi-Lift jack is not like the little “car jack” stowed under the rear seat of your hunting truck: This thing is long enough to jack your vehicle on the most uneven of ground, and you can even use it as a manual winch if you're really in a bind. Be sure to get the ORB Off-Road Base, HK-B Black Handle-Keeper (so the handle doesn't rattle around when you're dodging cows), and the LM-100 Lift-Mate. hi-lift.com

Rago Fabrication Mounts: We attached the MaxTrax and Hi-Lift Jack securely to the Toyota's Bed Rail System with Rago Fabrication mounts. Installation was simple, and performance off-road was solid, with no wiggle and no noises. Serious off-roaders use this stuff, and you should too. ragofabrication.com

Step 22 Gear Jack Cover for Hi-Lift Jack: You need to keep dust and road grit from clogging up the works on your Hi-Lift jack. I like the Step 22 Gear cover, custom-designed for the Hi-Lift. step22gear.com


MaxTrax recovery boards are essential gear when traveling in the backcountry. You wedge them under your tires when you get stuck in snow or mud, and it's instant traction.

Big Red Torin Steel Jack Stands: These 3-Ton jack stands are critical to keeping your rig up in the air for tire changes or when you need to crawl under your rig to dislodge a pine tree jammed into your transfer case. torin-jack.com

Bond Fiberglass Round Point Shovel: It's a shovel. To dig yourself out when your big plans blow up in your face. The Bond model, popular with off-roaders, is short at 42 inches and fits perfectly along the back of the truck's bed. We used End of the Road's Original Quick Fist Clamp to mount it to a Rago Fab plate. bondmfg.com

Glacier V-Bar Snow Tire Chains with Cam Tighteners: Tire chains are required kit in most of the West, and the Glacier V-Bars are some heavy-duty chains. They feature welded v-bars, spikes that dig into the worst snow and ice. glacierchain.com

RotopaX Gas Canister: While we liked the Tundra's voluminous 38-gal. gas tank, a 2-gal. RotopaX canister mounted to the Bed Rail made it 40 gallons for an extra measure of comfort. The RotopaX is the industry standard in off-road fuel carrying; be sure you practice with it before the season. It uses a locking cap mechanism to dispense the fuel. Don't wait to figure this out when you're on E in the middle of nowhere. RotopaX sells a mount for the Toyota Bed Rail System. rotopax.com


Hunting Truck Navigation & Comms

Long gone are the days when you held a compass and gazed at the stars, tracing lines across a parchment map. Today's GPS satellites might keep conspiracy theorists up late at night, but they also make navigation much simpler. Here's a look at our setup.



Simple, effective navigation. A Samsung Tab S7 5G tablet loaded with OnX and Gaia GPS mapping apps. You preload the tablet with detailed area maps before leaving on your trip, and then, setting the device to Airplane mode, disable the Internet. The unit's internal GPS tracks you in real-time, providing you with super-detailed topographic and forest service maps, even trails! The author powers the tablet via a Dewalt 140w Power Inverter, which plugs into the cigarette lighter and converts 12V DC to 120V AC, giving you a power outlet and two 3.1A USB ports.

Samsung Tab S7 5G Tablet: The new Samsung tablet has enough juice to power all the nav apps you'll need, and by default, it stays on when running said apps (it doesn't annoyingly power down every few minutes). Most importantly, it has an internal GPS for use with the nav apps (below). We mounted it to the dash using the Ram Mounts Ram X-Grip, and 3M two-sided automotive-strength tape. samsung.com


OnX Hunt and OnX Off-road: The OnX app gives you instant landowner map data and boundary lines and is feature-rich with overlays ideal for hunters seeking access to hunting areas. You can switch it into Airplane mode (Internet off), and it will use your phone or tablet's GPS to track you in real-time. Requires subscription. onxmaps.com


Gaia GPS: Gaia Maps is another app that features almost limitless nav possibilities. It shows roads and trails and features route-creation tools that make planning a day trip into an unknown wilderness area a snap. Like OnX, you turn off the Internet, and it uses the tablet's internal GPS to track you in real-time. Requires subscription, well worth the cost. gaiagps.com




Onboard amateur radio provides local, regional, and global communications where cell phones can't reach. The Yeasu FTM line of dual-band FM/C4FM transceivers covers VHF/UHF on analog and digital plus APRS (Automated Packet Reporting System), which uses the transceiver’s internal GPS to transmit your location and data beacons to monitoring stations on 144.390 MHz. Not only that, you get access to NOAA Weather Radio anywhere in the country for real-time weather updates. Requires a Technician-class amateur radio license from the FCC.

Yaesu FTM-100DR Transceiver: When your cell phone's bars disappear, and you must reach someone for help, nothing beats ham radio. I mounted a Yaesu FTM-100DR dual-band FM/C4FM transceiver in the Tundra, with an external dual-band antenna from Diamond. The 50-watt transceiver handles two-way comms in analog and digital modes on the UHF (70cm) and VHF (2m) bands.

If I have any elevation at all, a 50-mile radius range is easy, and several hundred miles are possible depending on your height and atmospheric propagation. Using its digital capability, I can access the worldwide System Fusion radio over the Internet and talk with my friends in Germany or Okinawa with crystal clear audio. I should be capable of calling for a tow truck.

And I can get real-time NOAA weather radio updates anywhere in the country. (Yaesu discontinued the FTM-100DR and has since replaced it with the FTM-300.) To operate, you’ll need a Technician-class amateur radio license from the FCC. yaesu.com

Meat Care

RTIC Hard Cooler 65 QT.: After you've poured all your work and effort into taking game, you need some way to keep your meat cool. That's even true when hunting in a cold place like Montana, where the daytime highs can hit 60 degrees in mid-November.

We gave the RTIC 65 Cooler a test run, and it was as good as any other high-end brand we've tried — at two-thirds the cost. Freeze water in a few orange juice bottles for ice during the off-season, and this bank-vault-tight cooler will stay cold for two weeks, at least. rticoutdoors.com


Needs Improvement

What didn't we like about the 2018 Toyota Tundra? Not much. It performed way above expectations. Our complaints mirror those you'll hear coming from many off-roaders, namely the Tundra's previously mentioned lack of locking rear diff and crawl control features, which are standard fare on the Tacoma TRD Off-road and 4Runner models and peculiarly absent on the Tundra.

The “Off-road” Tundra models could also use more aggressive tires with Kevlar-reinforced sidewalls. Toyota has been teasing a Tundra redesign for its 2022 year, so time will tell if the tight-lipped automaker listens to its core off-road users and corrects these injustices.

Hunting Truck Lessons

No truck project is ever complete, and hindsight is 20/20. If I could do it again, I'd bring a backup rifle (I had no issues with the Sako, it's just good practice) and have a more organized gun storage solution to securely lock rifle and ammo in the hunting truck while we are hunting or scouting.

One intriguing solution is the new Pelican Cargo line, which Pelican developed for the overlanding market. The Pelican BX85S Case is 51.7 inches long, and you can attach it above your bedsides via the Toyota's bed rail system — and of course, it is lockable. It would be ideal for a padded gun case and to hold an extra rifle.

Also, check out the Pelican BX80 Cargo Case at 20.75 x 12.25 x 13.25-inch interior size, which would be the ticket to keep tire chains, jacks, and recovery gear organized in the bed. It, too, attaches to the bed rail system of the Toyota line. Organization and consistency are keys to happiness.

To upgrade my extraction options, the Yankum Rope is the thing to have so passersby can yank you out of a tough spot. The Yankum Ropes Rattler Series (1 inch by 30 feet) handles a static 18,500 lbs. The Yankum is not a “tow strap.” Yankum designed it to stretch, to take momentum, allowing smaller vehicles to extract much larger ones by getting a running start.

Lastly, one trick all off-roaders use to improve traction is to air down tires. If you don't have bead lockers, you can safely air down to 20-25 psi, which will dramatically improve traction on mud and snow. It won't turn your SUV into a rock crawler, but it will improve handling and control on rocks and smoothen your ride. An excellent portable solution is the ARB 12V High-Performance Portable Air Compressor and ARB E-Z Deflator Kit 10-60 PSI. You can keep these in the bed of your truck, air down with the ARB E-Z Deflator when you hit the trail, and air back up with the ARB compressor when you reach the highway.


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Re: Hunting Truck: Outfitting The Ultimate Rig
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2021, 04:02:06 AM »
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  It would seem that in truly rough & mountainous country, one may need consider a shorter wheelbase than the truck pictured.
  That jack pictured is very useful in many ways..since it can pull as well as push, some chain or cable is a good addition for it!
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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2021, 10:31:31 PM »
sad today that you cant buy a full sized standard cab short box, A real woods truck
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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2021, 02:07:20 AM »
I wish they made standard cab short boxes too. There aren't many options for stripped down trucks for working men either. A pickup truck today is like taking out a 2nd mortgage.
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2021, 09:35:25 AM »
I wish they made standard cab short boxes too. There aren't many options for stripped down trucks for working men either. A pickup truck today is like taking out a 2nd mortgage.

And they devaluate, where homes and property doesn't.  Unless your neighborhood becomes a soul city getto.
Which is highly likely to happen.
 

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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2021, 02:27:54 AM »
I wish they made standard cab short boxes too. There aren't many options for stripped down trucks for working men either. A pickup truck today is like taking out a 2nd mortgage.

And they devaluate, where homes and property doesn't.  Unless your neighborhood becomes a soul city getto.
Which is highly likely to happen.

I think the average car payment these days is around $550 per month, it's insane to pay that on something that's losing value faster than the rate you're paying it down.
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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2021, 02:47:06 AM »
I just wonder after reading all that how I ever manged to hunt out of a plain ol' 2 wheel drive GMC pickup for all the years I did.

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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2021, 03:50:11 AM »
I just wonder after reading all that how I ever manged to hunt out of a plain ol' 2 wheel drive GMC pickup for all the years I did.

   How did we ever manage with almost all vehicles being 2 wheel drive, before the 1980s?
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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2021, 04:05:22 AM »
Well, we walked a lot more.  Or put wenches on the front bumper to pull us out using the nearest tree.  Most logging roads in the south one can still get around using a 2 wheel drive truck.  On private property people use 4 wheelers to get around, but they scare off deer unless you get one mufflered real good and go slow.  US forest land does not allow 4 wheelers, but does allow horses.  Horse trails are good walking trails too. 

Now that you mention it.  I don't see too many cab only trucks.  Most have extended cabs or crew cabs. 
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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2021, 07:47:46 AM »
I never owned a winch until I stuck one on the front of my current jeep. I always made it home too. I have used the winch four times since I installed it in 2011, never to help myself but to rescue someone else. I once told a guy I know that it was my wife's security blanket.

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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2021, 11:13:43 AM »
I just wonder after reading all that how I ever manged to hunt out of a plain ol' 2 wheel drive GMC pickup for all the years I did.

   How did we ever manage with almost all vehicles being 2 wheel drive, before the 1980s?

It's pretty amazing we all survived running 2WD all those years.

I bought a new Kubota last fall, it's 2WD. When i told people I bought a 2WD tractor they thought I was crazy. I didn't want to pay an extra $5000 for 4WD. The main function of the tractor is snowblowing and sanding my 700 feet of driveway. I bought a pair of studded chains for $600 and never got stuck. Tractors were the same way as trucks, 4WD tractors didn't come out until the 80's yet somehow millions of farmers survived on 2WD.
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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2021, 03:09:28 AM »
I have a small Kubota tractor and when I engage it's four wheel drive it become almost twice the tractor it is in two wheel drive.

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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2021, 12:08:38 PM »
I have a small Kubota tractor and when I engage it's four wheel drive it become almost twice the tractor it is in two wheel drive.

The small subcompact tractors are so light that four wheel drive is almost a must but anything that has any weight to it is fine with 2WD especially if the tires are loaded. Mine is a compact L2501 with loaded tires and it does fine. It has a differential lock that helps if you need it but I haven't needed it too much.
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« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2021, 01:33:23 PM »
I'd just like to have a truck where I have a safe place to carry my rifle and access it quickly, sometimes things happen fast and unexpected.
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« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2021, 02:51:00 AM »
I have a small Kubota tractor and when I engage it's four wheel drive it become almost twice the tractor it is in two wheel drive.

The small subcompact tractors are so light that four wheel drive is almost a must but anything that has any weight to it is fine with 2WD especially if the tires are loaded. Mine is a compact L2501 with loaded tires and it does fine. It has a differential lock that helps if you need it but I haven't needed it too much.

I suppose someone should explain to all the farmers in this area that those huge tractors they use have no need for the four wheel drive that everyone of them has.

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« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2021, 11:11:45 AM »
I have a small Kubota tractor and when I engage it's four wheel drive it become almost twice the tractor it is in two wheel drive.

The small subcompact tractors are so light that four wheel drive is almost a must but anything that has any weight to it is fine with 2WD especially if the tires are loaded. Mine is a compact L2501 with loaded tires and it does fine. It has a differential lock that helps if you need it but I haven't needed it too much.

I suppose someone should explain to all the farmers in this area that those huge tractors they use have no need for the four wheel drive that everyone of them has.

Most tractors sold today don't even have the option of 2WD only. Kubota only has two offerings out of all the tractor lines they have. Why would tractor manufacturers push 2WD when they can push 4WD for more profit after they've successfully convinced the general public that they NEED 4WD? It's doubtful that all the farmers in your area with the huge tractors even had the option to get 2WD in the first place.

I wonder how those same farms survived 40 years ago when 4WD tractors weren't available?
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« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2021, 11:40:54 AM »
They didn’t pull as many plows.I grew up on 2 wheel tractors. They were big and heavy, ran filled tires, some had wheel weights, and in my area were 4 row rigs. When I was in high school a local farmer built two 12 row planter rigs and pulled them with D-6  Cats. Most people though he was nuts but it was the start of more than 4 row farming for the area. Four wheel drive was far in the future but since efficient farming involves putting power to the ground 4 wheel drive gives you that in a smaller, less expensive tractor.

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« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2021, 03:20:08 PM »
They didn’t pull as many plows.I grew up on 2 wheel tractors.

You sure about that? Here's a 2 wheel drive 1905 Case steam tractor pulling a 36 bottom plow  ;)


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4 wheel drive gives you that in a smaller, less expensive tractor.

4 wheel drive is obviously superior to 2 wheel, I'm not arguing that but my original point was that everyone who buys 4WD doesn't necessarily "need" it whether it's a truck or tractor. We survived many years without it so obviously it's a nice to have rather than a must have despite what the tractor and truck manufacturers tell you. If I had a nickel for every time I've heard people say "I need 4 wheel drive". It's simply not true in most cases.

I have a 4WD Jeep myself but I also have a RWD Grand Marquis. I drive them both in the winter, have a steep driveway and I live in an area that gets well over 100 inches of snow in a typical winter. I can survive with RWD only even in those conditions, the Jeep is better obviously but I don't "need" it. Same with tractors, my 2WD Kubota is my snow fighter among other things and does fine.
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« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2021, 04:02:35 AM »
Different place, different time period. I chose a 4 wheel drive tractor because a 2 wheel drive one would be be too large even with weights and tire fill to get in some of the place I need to get. I am happy that 2 wheel drive fills your needs and if it would fill mine that's what I would have but it doesn't.

I own a jeep to go to the boonies which are sandy and had a 4 wheel drive GMC 1/2 ton pickup before the jeep. Both allowed me to go places easily  where I couldn't with a two wheel drive. Before the GMC I just avoided those places or walked in and out. The jeep will go places the GMC couldn't simply because of the size difference. Snow isn't a big problem here and has been almost nothing for the last 20 years but I found it much easier to  hop in the GMC 4x4 and drive off than it had been to chain up the 2 wheel GMC that I drove before it. There has not been enough snow to even test the jeep in since I bought it.

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« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2021, 06:39:34 PM »
Back in the day, I did a lot of hunting with my 1966 Baja Bug.  It's been stashed away in the back of my 40' container for awhile and will be for at least 5 more years.  One of my grandsons joined the Navy and I promised it was his when he gets out (or sooner if I'm not here by then.)

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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2021, 05:21:52 AM »
Different place, different time period. I chose a 4 wheel drive tractor because a 2 wheel drive one would be be too large even with weights and tire fill to get in some of the place I need to get. I am happy that 2 wheel drive fills your needs and if it would fill mine that's what I would have but it doesn't.

I own a jeep to go to the boonies which are sandy and had a 4 wheel drive GMC 1/2 ton pickup before the jeep. Both allowed me to go places easily  where I couldn't with a two wheel drive. Before the GMC I just avoided those places or walked in and out. The jeep will go places the GMC couldn't simply because of the size difference. Snow isn't a big problem here and has been almost nothing for the last 20 years but I found it much easier to  hop in the GMC 4x4 and drive off than it had been to chain up the 2 wheel GMC that I drove before it. There has not been enough snow to even test the jeep in since I bought it.

I considered the 4WD subcompact BX series when I was buying my tractor, I probably would have gotten that but I already had an almost new 68" 3 point hitch snowblower so it was cheaper for me to get the 2WD L series and the snowblower I already owned was nicer and bigger than any of the BX offerings. I still wouldn't mind getting the small BX series at some point down the road though.
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« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2021, 08:21:36 AM »
well i have to say that i never owned a 2x4 truck. My first new truck was a 74 4x4 chev. My dad bought his first 4x4 truck in 69 and has owned nothing else since. You could look at every lot in a 300 mile range of here and i doubt youd find a 2x4 truck. Ive driven them in the snow and there much worse then even a rear wheel drive car. I guess there fine down south if you stay on good roads but up here there as extinct as dinosaurs. Even soccer moms by 4x4 sport utilitys.
I just wonder after reading all that how I ever manged to hunt out of a plain ol' 2 wheel drive GMC pickup for all the years I did.

   How did we ever manage with almost all vehicles being 2 wheel drive, before the 1980s?
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Re: Hunting Truck: Outfitting The Ultimate Rig
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2021, 08:25:01 AM »
love the winch on my jeep. Wouldnt be without it. It allows me to drive through places i would never have the nuts to if i didnt have it and its used all the time around the house Just used it yesterday to drag a deck off to the side off the old house. Ive used it to pull trees, stumps and to help others who went in the ditch in a snow storm or burried there truck going where they shouldnt. Heck you can get a decent winch for half what a new 700 bdl or a model 70 will cost you.
I never owned a winch until I stuck one on the front of my current jeep. I always made it home too. I have used the winch four times since I installed it in 2011, never to help myself but to rescue someone else. I once told a guy I know that it was my wife's security blanket.
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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2021, 08:26:33 AM »
I shoot deer on a potato farm and the only 2 wheel drive tractor they have is an old john deer put put he restored and uses for parades. Add to that most non farmer owned tractors up here wear snow blowers in the winter and a 2 wheel drive tractor pushing a snow blower is useless. Even with chains because the blower puts so much weight on the front 
I have a small Kubota tractor and when I engage it's four wheel drive it become almost twice the tractor it is in two wheel drive.

The small subcompact tractors are so light that four wheel drive is almost a must but anything that has any weight to it is fine with 2WD especially if the tires are loaded. Mine is a compact L2501 with loaded tires and it does fine. It has a differential lock that helps if you need it but I haven't needed it too much.

I suppose someone should explain to all the farmers in this area that those huge tractors they use have no need for the four wheel drive that everyone of them has.
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Re: Hunting Truck: Outfitting The Ultimate Rig
« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2021, 02:36:20 AM »
I shoot deer on a potato farm and the only 2 wheel drive tractor they have is an old john deer put put he restored and uses for parades. Add to that most non farmer owned tractors up here wear snow blowers in the winter and a 2 wheel drive tractor pushing a snow blower is useless. Even with chains because the blower puts so much weight on the front

Not true if you have good studded chains. Look up GP Outdoors on YouTube. He has a Kubota LX2610 with a 64" front mount snowblower. He uses Aqualine diamond pattern studded chains. He does a couple videos where he puts his tractor in 2WD and blows snow going uphill to show the effectiveness of his chains.

My own tractor is a 2WD Kubota L2501F. I have a 68" MK Martin Meteor 3 point hitch pull type snowblower so you have to drive forward through the deep snow instead of in reverse like a typical 3 point hitch snowblower. I have diamond pattern studded chains and have no trouble whatsoever. My driveway is a 300 foot hill and I also have a 400 ft. private road to maintain. I can blow snow going uphill and my tires never slip. I have a diff lock pedal but I never need to use it. Before I got this tractor I was using a '39 Ford 9N with the same snowblower. I had H pattern V-bar studded chains on it and never had any problems with that either.

If you know people who can't blow snow in 2WD it's because they are running junk 4 link chains with no studs.
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« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2021, 04:13:26 AM »
Concerning 4wd tractors. Depends on use. AG tires are optimized for going forwards. Put a 1500 lb hay bale on the loader, drive downhill in wet slop, then try to back up in 2WD.

4wd allows operation on marginal ground. Being able to safely get out of bad situations is a real plus.
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Re: Hunting Truck: Outfitting The Ultimate Rig
« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2021, 04:36:17 AM »
this is big snow country up here and i dont know of a single guy that bought a tractor to blow snow that cheapened out and went with a 2x4. You own it for most of your life so why not get whats ideal. Yup you can get away with front wheel drive cars. heck back in the 70s we did it with rear wheel drive cars but you forget how much time you spent stuck or trying to get into a driveway or walking becuase you knew better. Id bet that 75 percent of vehicles sold here are 4x4 or all wheel drive. the other 25 percent front wheel drive. Only rear wheel drive vechicles you see are camaros vettes mustangs ect in the summer. There is no way he hell id but a tractor that wasnt 4x4 or a pickup either. It just doesnt make sense. As to farmers. I shoot deer on a BIG potato farm. Small fields are a 1000x1000 yards. Big ones 3 or 4 times that size. they dont plant or pick with garden tractors. They use REAL 4x4 tractors with 8 tires on them. If you saw the clay mud they go in in a rainy year youd laugh at the thought of a 2 wheel drive tractor. Id bet very few 2x4 tractors are even sold to hobby farmers today. Like is said about the only time you see a 2x4 tractor up here anymore is in a parade and i dont remember the last time i even saw a 2x4 pickup on a dealers lot. I think it would have been the 2005 dodge srt10 (viper motor) truck the dealer had new back in the day.
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