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Gun Oil: What Modern Guns Require To Fight Friction
« on: May 05, 2021, 05:45:45 PM »
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By Patrick Sweeney -April 14, 2021

Does your gun oil bring out the best in your firearms?

When was the last time you gave as much attention to your gun oil as your ammunition, magazines, optics or lights? Because lube can’t attach to a Picatinny rail, get laser-etched or dipped in the latest absolute invisibility camo pattern, probably very little.

When was the last time you considered what’s in your lubricant and how that impacts the performance of your firearm? Probably the same answer.

100-Year-Old Lubricant

Sadly, many American firearm owners lubricate their guns with “what they’ve always used” and live with its shortcomings. In fact, the top-selling gun oil in the United States was introduced in 1913—before World War I! It was designed first and foremost to prevent rust; lubrication was a distant second, and cleaning only happened with aggressive scraping and additional harsh chemicals.


Used more broadly today than at any time in history, a suppressor’s downsides comprise the extra gases and heat channeled back through the action. How does your typical lubricant hold up when you’re running a can?

However, this historical “blindness” isn’t without cause: Until the end of the 20th century, the single greatest enemy to carbon-steel and wood firearms was rust. The cleaning process for firearms of this era required harsh chemicals and often hours of scraping that put excessive wear on internal components. But, it had to be done: Rust was every gun’s “public enemy number one.”

Worse, neither the firearm’s function nor its reliability was materially improved by this method or lubrication. Not only were gun owners fighting a losing war against the ravages of rust, but also against heat, friction and chemistry.

Modern Performance and Reliability Enemies

Today, rust isn’t the threat it once was. Most modern firearms are made from a combination of synthetic materials, stainless steel or coated metals. But, along with modern materials come gas-operated designs with smaller, faster-moving parts and tight tolerances. Today, friction, heat and compounded contamination are the modern enemies to reliability and performance.

Why? The same gases used to propel the bullets and cycle actions carry contaminants around—and into—every angle and crevice of your firearm. Driven by heat and pressure, these gases bake layer after layer of carbon onto moving parts and into gas ports. Eventually, the layers build up and change the parts’ geometry. The contaminated parts can no longer move within or past one another, and function slows … or ceases outright.

For the modern firearm powered by its own gases, staying lubricated under heat, pressure and friction—and fighting carbon buildup—is critical. More importantly, how quickly can you remove the unavoidable contamination from the parts and get your AR reliably back into action?


For the modern firearm powered by its own gases, staying lubricated under heat, pressure and friction—and fighting carbon buildup—is critical. More importantly, how quickly can you remove the unavoidable contamination from the parts and get your AR reliably back into action?

The historical solution, often sold as a “character-builder” by generations of drill sergeants, is to scrape parts with metal tools, chemicals, picks and brushes to remove every visible fragment of carbon. This approach damages the parts with each cleaning, often to the point of failure—or, if an armorer is lucky, deemed “out of spec”—and replaced.

This self-defeating process is separate from the excessive time wasted for such a laborious process that just about any reasonable person would rather spend doing something else … such as shooting.

So, if modern firearms require a different lubricant solution to support their unique functional requirements and materials, what should it contain?

* A high-quality synthetic lubricant base capable of enduring the high heat and pressures of modern firearms without breaking down, being displaced by water or gelling in low temperatures, along with a rust-prevention additive.

* A penetrant to reach the micro-crevices between small parts that can become clogged with contamination.

* A detergent to clean the moving parts and bearing surfaces while the weapon functions, yet is still safe on synthetic materials and finishes.

* A dispersant to prevent the contamination from re-adhering to the metal, particularly under heat and pressure.

Functionally, a modern gun oil should also speed cleaning and lengthen the amount of time between required cleanings. This element is particularly important if you’re serving in an austere environment in which a reliably functioning firearm could determine your ability to defend yourself from harm.



Today, while rust is a factor any quality lubricant should inhibit, the contamination buildup in the bolt carrier group can change the geometry of the parts and lead to failure.

Today, while rust is a factor any quality lubricant should inhibit, the contamination buildup in the bolt carrier group can change the geometry of the parts and lead to failure.

Ask yourself: If you had two identical firearms you carried and utilized daily, wouldn’t the more reliable of the two be the one with a lubricant that functioned consistently and for more extended periods under heavy use, yet was easier to clean? Viewed in a military context, isn’t the ability to stay in the fight longer and be cleaned quickly also a significant tactical advantage?

Modern Gun Oil

One recent entrant to the market—born on a poncho at Fort Benning, Georgia, amidst an array of AR parts, picks, brushes, patches and issued chemicals—might’ve cracked the code.

Created with modern firearms and their needs in mind, EDC-CLP’s patented chemical components not only continue to clean and lubricate for extended periods under excessive heat and pressure, they also reach into the micro-crevices contaminated with baked-on carbon that picks and brushes cannot reach.

One key addition to the formulation is a “high-pressure additive” with positively charged molecules that adhere to the metal. In other words: It keeps the product in and on the parts—cleaning and lubricating—during use, rather than being forced off by friction and gases. The high-pressure additive also provides the added benefit of suspending the contamination in the lubricant that the dispersant and detergent elements slough loose from the parts.


How does it perform outside the chemistry lab?

EDC-CLP’s positive impact on your gun’s function is both immediate and gradual. After a single application, a user will feel an instant improvement in lubricity (slipperiness). In most cases, follow-up cleaning requires little more than a wipe-down and reapplication.

EDC-CLP doesn’t require special preparation of the weapon’s parts in a sterile environment in order to work. It can be applied on top of existing gun oils or lubricants if necessary.

So, ask yourself, Which “war” is your lubricant fighting?

For more information on ELC-CLP Lubricant, please visit edcclp.com.

Editor's Note: This article originally appeared in the 2021 Long-Range Shooting issue of Gun Digest the Magazine.


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Re: Gun Oil: What Modern Guns Require To Fight Friction
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2021, 10:46:28 PM »
Always nice to read write ups about proper lubricants to use under certain circumstances. This is the lubricant I have been using for my AR which is actually set up for Coyote hunting but still, I feel it necessary to use the lubricants that are designed to work in such actions.
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Re: Gun Oil: What Modern Guns Require To Fight Friction
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2021, 11:05:06 PM »
ive used tetra grease and oil for years. Dont know how it rates but its worked for me. I personly think most people over oil there guns more then dont use a good enough oil. Ive seen guns about dripping with oil and it just attracts dirt and fouling. With an ar15 the only oiling i do is a light coat on the bolt lugs and under the bolt where it rides on the hammer. Really about any oil works for them. Ive even used 556 and kroil. Only guns ive really seen that needed to be OILED and kept oiled are 1911s. Glocks and such only get oiled here when i pull them down every couple thousand rounds to clean them and then sparingly.
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Re: Gun Oil: What Modern Guns Require To Fight Friction
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2021, 11:58:53 AM »
I've tried a few of the miracle lubricants
that others use, but I've gone back
to mostly the old standbys.
My exceptions would be Eezox and
a tube of Koppers I've been using on
for years. Choke tube lube/ anti seize
for tubes and pivot pins
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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2021, 12:00:40 PM »
. . .  I personly think most people over oil there guns more then dont use a good enough oil. . .

Pretty much ^ ^ ^ it
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Re: Gun Oil: What Modern Guns Require To Fight Friction
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2021, 12:26:26 PM »
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  I have some "Break Free" lube, which I use for certain guns.

   When My grandson was the armorer for his marine unit in Iraq, his lube was based upon CLP.

   It was the best to fight the binding effect of Iraq's "powder sand"..
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Re: Gun Oil: What Modern Guns Require To Fight Friction
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2021, 03:58:53 PM »
I have never been comfortable with the CLP idea. I would not take the same medicine for diarrhea as I would for constipation. While serving my 20 in the corps, we were not allowed to use anything except Break Free,  supposed to.  After retiring I found FP10.  Now that is my go to lube and cleaner. They have a additive they call MP10 that bonds to the metallic surfaces.  When I build a new ar or put in a new bolt.  They get soaked overnight in a bath of FP10.  The carbon just wipes off the bolt when cleaning,  no more scraping. Still have other cleaners and lubricants in the workshop but they are rarely used.
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Re: Gun Oil: What Modern Guns Require To Fight Friction
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2021, 02:50:58 AM »
Writers get paid to write so Sweeney should have done well with this article which just rehashes a subject that has been being hashed since I started reading about guns which was a loooong time ago. I wonder just how many of these modern miracle lubricants are just ordinary lubricating oil put in a tiny container and sold for a very high price considering the amount you get. I learned long ago that paste wax prevents rust on steel much better than any oil based product but do you see it sold as a rust preventative for firearms. Of course not. It is cheap and lasts a long time so there is very little profit to be made. I do consider synthetic oil and grease to be superior lubricants and that is my choice for what my uses require.

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Re: Gun Oil: What Modern Guns Require To Fight Friction
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2021, 05:08:43 AM »
Honestly I still mostly use 3 in 1 machine oil, same as I did as a boy on most of my guns.


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Re: Gun Oil: What Modern Guns Require To Fight Friction
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2021, 05:08:47 AM »
Thanks for posting this, I had noted that some of my semi-autos didn't cycle well last winter but did fine a couple of days ago. Probably to much oil.

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Re: Gun Oil: What Modern Guns Require To Fight Friction
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2021, 06:13:15 AM »
Honestly I still mostly use 3 in 1 machine oil, same as I did as a boy on most of my guns.

I did the same as a kid or borrowed my mother's sewing machine oil. Both are good stuff. I run synthetic oil in my jeep and bottle drippings keep me in oil now. Honestly I can't tell any difference in performance with any of them.

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Re: Gun Oil: What Modern Guns Require To Fight Friction
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2021, 07:06:59 AM »
Today, rust isn’t the threat it once was. Most modern firearms are made from a combination of synthetic materials, stainless steel or coated metals. But, along with modern materials come gas-operated designs with smaller, faster-moving parts and tight tolerances. Today, friction, heat and compounded contamination are the modern enemies to reliability and performance.

Clearly, this Guy doesn't live on the Oregon Coast!  Rust and Corrosion are the Killer of EVERYTHING Here.... 

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Re: Gun Oil: What Modern Guns Require To Fight Friction
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2021, 01:41:18 PM »
The service man I took my
motorcycles to a few times
was a Lucas dealer, and had
some Lucas gun oil/protectant
on the shelf, and I got some to
try. It was fairly decent oil, but
I ended up with some rust
speckles on a shotgun I had
stored away that I'd treated with
the Lucas stuff per the bottle
directions

A coat of Johnson paste wax
dried on, or some plain Jane
vaseline protects a stored gun
pretty decently
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Re: Gun Oil: What Modern Guns Require To Fight Friction
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2021, 12:03:30 AM »
yup its like sizing wax. People pay 10 bucks for that little tin of impreral sizing wax. When for 20 bucks your pharmisist or ebay will get you a lb of it that will last your lifetime and there the exact same thing. Same discovery we made on the cast bullet forum. everyone was buying mold lube i a tiny bottle that didnt hold an oz and was like 10 bucks shipped. they someone found out all it was was 2 stroke synthetic motor oil and you could buy a quart for the price of that tiny bottle. Didnt go ever real well with the guys there and they ran him off.
Writers get paid to write so Sweeney should have done well with this article which just rehashes a subject that has been being hashed since I started reading about guns which was a loooong time ago. I wonder just how many of these modern miracle lubricants are just ordinary lubricating oil put in a tiny container and sold for a very high price considering the amount you get. I learned long ago that paste wax prevents rust on steel much better than any oil based product but do you see it sold as a rust preventative for firearms. Of course not. It is cheap and lasts a long time so there is very little profit to be made. I do consider synthetic oil and grease to be superior lubricants and that is my choice for what my uses require.
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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2021, 02:22:26 AM »
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   My grandson did 8 years in the Corps (MARSOC), with armorer MOS.  He now works withNATO in weapons testing and development, as well as being a gunsmith.
    Ihaven't checked recently, but I expect he still uses some form of CLP.

   Admittedly, the white powder in Iraq, was a special case, and surely where I live, or where he lives in Missouri, there is no white powder threat.

  A few years ago, I bought a large bottle of a fine "turbine" oil, made from Pennsylvania crude. It prevents rust & corrosion, plus superior lubrication. 
  However, here in the northeastern woodlands and fields, there is no great challenge to firearms.

   https://www.lerangasproducts.com/Sku/461354/supco-zoom-spout-turbine-oil-076335461359-mo98

  I am probably quite unconventional, in that i use white lithium on the bearing surfaces of my Glock, Marvel Mystery Oil, for sharpening on my oil stones...except for food knives, where I use cooking oil..  ;) ;D
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Re: Gun Oil: What Modern Guns Require To Fight Friction
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2021, 03:26:54 AM »
Honestly I still mostly use 3 in 1 machine oil, same as I did as a boy on most of my guns.

That's exactly what I use, and occasionally aerosol Rem-oil, but I've had the 1 can of Rem-oil for 5 or 6 years.
My grandmother used to call 3in1 oil "machine oil" because she used it on her old Singer treadle sewing machine.
I use it on my Arkansas oil stones also.
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« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2021, 03:31:36 AM »
Move into the modern world and get a diamond hone, no oil required.

It is fairly high and pretty dry where I live but rust is a problem. The humidity is 83% right now. Some days it will be under 10%. Back in the mid 60's I got tired of finding rust on my guns after wiping them with oil a few days before and decided to experiment with Johnson's paste wax. That ended my rust problems right there. You can get a can of Johnson's wax for just a few bucks and it will last for years. Many of us still own or buy guns that are blued steel so we need rust protection. Even the stainless steel used for guns is only rust resistant and not truely stainless.

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Re: Gun Oil: What Modern Guns Require To Fight Friction
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2021, 04:51:08 AM »
yup its like sizing wax. People pay 10 bucks for that little tin of impreral sizing wax. When for 20 bucks your pharmisist or ebay will get you a lb of it that will last your lifetime and there the exact same thing. 


Good heavens, what would I want a lb of sizing wax sitting around for??? I've had the same tin of imperial for about 20 years and I've probably used 30% of it.  One very light swipe of a finger out of the tin does about 5 cases for me and a tin should do 10's of thousands of cases.

For all of my guns I use Eezox exclusively for my CLP as well as bore treatment, from flintlocks to AR's and everything in-between.  It is a fantastic product.
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Re: Gun Oil: What Modern Guns Require To Fight Friction
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2021, 06:01:24 AM »
Move into the modern world and get a diamond hone, no oil required.

It is fairly high and pretty dry where I live but rust is a problem. The humidity is 83% right now. Some days it will be under 10%. Back in the mid 60's I got tired of finding rust on my guns after wiping them with oil a few days before and decided to experiment with Johnson's paste wax. That ended my rust problems right there. You can get a can of Johnson's wax for just a few bucks and it will last for years. Many of us still own or buy guns that are blued steel so we need rust protection. Even the stainless steel used for guns is only rust resistant and not truely stainless.

LOL, back in the day, before polymer, and stainless, we old law men carried blued steel revolvers.
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« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2021, 07:05:31 AM »
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  I don't use one oil alone..I also have an aerosol can of Remoil and others.
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« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2021, 07:21:41 AM »
Well I bought 4 bottles of military grade sperm whale oil. That was back in the 60s. Still got 2 bottles left. My grandkids will likely inherit it when I die.
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