Airlines may start weighing passengers before flights.

[powderman]

Airlines could soon start weighing passengers before flights
If a passenger declines to participate, the airline is advised to select another traveler at random, according to the guidance

By Jeanette Settembre FOXBusiness
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Airline passengers may be required to step on the scale at the airport or share how much they weigh before boarding a flight, a new report suggests.


Data airlines use to measure passenger weight to ensure safety onboard planes may be outdated as the obesity rate in the U.S. increases. Now, air carriers may have to update average passenger weight, according to the airline blog View from the Wing, citing a circular advisory sent out by the Federal Aviation Administration.


Airline passengers may be required to step on the scale at the airport or share how much they weigh before boarding a flight, a new report suggests. (iStock).
Under the new pending requirements, reviewed by airline industry publication AirInsightGroup, airlines would be mandated to take surveys to set "standard average passenger weights" for crew members, baggage and passengers through random sampling and call on passengers to participate.

"Regardless of the sampling method used, an operator has the option of surveying each passenger and bag abroad the aircraft and should give a passenger the right to decline to participate in any passenger or weight survey," the guidance says, according to AirInsightGroup.

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The survey is said to be conducted on a voluntary basis, so if a passenger declines to participate, the airline is advised to select another traveler at random, according to the guidance.

The weight of an average adult passenger and carry-on bag will be increased to 190 pounds in the summer and 195 pounds in the winter – that’s up 12% from 170 pounds and 175 pounds, AirInsightGroup noted of the new FAA standards. Airlines would have to increase the average weight for female passengers and carry-ons from 145 pounds to 179 pounds in the summer and from 150 pounds to 184 pounds in the winter, according to the standards, while the weight for males with carry-ons will go up from 185 pounds in the summer to 200 pounds and from 190 pounds to 205 pounds in the winter.

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The FAA suggests air carriers compete these surveys every 36 calendar months, according to the advisory circular.  Passenger’s weight is also said to remain confidential, according to the FAA guidance.

It’s unclear when travelers may be expected to step on the scale at airports or asked about their weight. The FAA did not immediately return a request for comment.

[O-mega]

I have no problem with that, they should incorporate a scale in the x-ray machines, that way the data is non passenger specific. 

[darkgael]

Weight and balance are basic to safe flying. You would not want a whole lot of very heavy people together either forward or behind the aircrsft’s center of grsvity.
One wonders, though, how much of a change to average passenger weight would be reason for convern. Modern aircraft are pretty forgiving in that regard.
If you have not seen this: the result of shifting cargo caused this crash.
https://youtu.be/lksDISvCmNI

[Doublebass73]

America is a fat epidemic. It's too bad they don't treat obesity like the serious health problem that it is. Most of the the so called "covid" deaths are due to obesity rather than covid itself. Instead of telling people what a serious issue it is we now have the "body positivity movement". It only exists with females but that's a huge portion of our population. Instead of being told they should get healthy women are told that being fat is beautiful and they should love their bodies no matter what. There's even a term called BBW (Big Beautiful Woman) which in reality is a PC term for a morbidly obese woman.

The fact that airlines now have to consider the weight of passengers tells us that American society as a whole has gotten so fat that they've exceeded the design limits of jets.

[O-mega]

Most modern passenger aircraft are not real sensitive to passenger weight, I think it is more of a fuel issue.  The aircraft takes its estimated weight and distance to calculate how much fuel they will need.  While they can probably takeoff and land safely at full weight, it uses less fuel and less stress to the airframe when it is lighter.  On cargo aircraft, it is much more critical, since they try and carry as much as possible (or in our case, what mission dictates) to make it worth the flight. These are the aircraft that have had catastrophic issues when cargo shifts, because we are talking about hundreds, if not thousands of pounds in a single movement. 

[Dee]

If folks start paying by the pound, I know some folks that are gonna be paying more to fly.

[300winman]

AC120-27F is the guidance.  It gives 3 options. 
-Standard Average Weights
-Average Weights based on Survey
-Actual weights

The smaller the aircraft, the more critical it becomes.  On the bigger aircraft, passenger weight variances were negligble in the past.  But now a lot of airlines are flying cargo on passenger flights, making use of the extra cargo pit space and payload of the aircraft.  This has brought the aircraft weight and Center of Gravity (CG) closer to design limits.  So what was negligible in the past, now is a bigger concern. 

[DDZ]

America is a fat epidemic. It's too bad they don't treat obesity like the serious health problem that it is. Most of the the so called "covid" deaths are due to obesity rather than covid itself. Instead of telling people what a serious issue it is we now have the "body positivity movement". It only exists with females but that's a huge portion of our population. Instead of being told they should get healthy women are told that being fat is beautiful and they should love their bodies no matter what. There's even a term called BBW (Big Beautiful Woman) which in reality is a PC term for a morbidly obese woman.

The fact that airlines now have to consider the weight of passengers tells us that American society as a whole has gotten so fat that they've exceeded the design limits of jets.

Exactly! Being fat is being celebrated, instead of telling overweight people that they are going to die if they don't loose weight. Its just astounding to me how layers of fat on people has become an in thing. There are women with asses as wide as an axe handle is long, and its considered like some kind of great thing.

[Ranger99]

I don't know
JMHO-  instead of a problem with
big a$$es, it's more so a problem of
big a$$ pieces of luggage.
I'm not much of an air traveler, but have
dropped off and picked up many others
many times at DFW intl airport, and
I see many people with a half a dozen
XXL pieces of luggage that take up a
whole 4 wheel dolly just for one person.
Start limiting per person luggage and
this problem will disappear

[Dee]

When my youngest comes to visit, I pick him up in my truck. Hes got more luggage than a New York model.

[Ranger99]

Seen it many times.
One of my relatives is married
into wealth, and they stay in
various European countries about
as much as they do over on this
side.  They carry enough crap to
supply some of the villages they
go to take pictures to post on
farcebook
You'd think that there's no dry
cleaners or pharmacies or stores
across the blankety blanking Atlantic

[neckisred]

There are women with asses as wide as an axe handle is long, and its considered like some kind of great thing.

Come on DDZ. You don't like those 300 pounders in pink spandex that say "Juicy"

[DDZ]

There are women with asses as wide as an axe handle is long, and its considered like some kind of great thing.

Come on DDZ. You don't like those 300 pounders in pink spandex that say "Juicy"

No not at all Normal to small size, is much more appealing. 

[Doublebass73]

There are women with asses as wide as an axe handle is long, and its considered like some kind of great thing.

Come on DDZ. You don't like those 300 pounders in pink spandex that say "Juicy"

No not at all Normal to small size, is much more appealing. 

What's really gross is when you add a dozen or so tattoos to those 300 pounders.

[Ranger99]

There are women with asses as wide as an axe handle is long, and its considered like some kind of great thing.

Come on DDZ. You don't like those 300 pounders in pink spandex that say "Juicy"

No not at all Normal to small size, is much more appealing. 

What's really gross is when you add a dozen or so tattoos to those 300 pounders.

JMHO- I've yet to see any woman of
any configuration that was made more
attractive by marking herself up with
tattoos and/or piercings

[Doublebass73]

There are women with asses as wide as an axe handle is long, and its considered like some kind of great thing.

Come on DDZ. You don't like those 300 pounders in pink spandex that say "Juicy"

No not at all Normal to small size, is much more appealing. 

What's really gross is when you add a dozen or so tattoos to those 300 pounders.

JMHO- I've yet to see any woman of
any configuration that was made more
attractive by marking herself up with
tattoos and/or piercings

I agree 100%

[billy_56081]

There are women with asses as wide as an axe handle is long, and its considered like some kind of great thing.

Come on DDZ. You don't like those 300 pounders in pink spandex that say "Juicy"

No not at all Normal to small size, is much more appealing. 

What's really gross is when you add a dozen or so tattoos to those 300 pounders.

JMHO- I've yet to see any woman of
any configuration that was made more
attractive by marking herself up with
tattoos and/or piercings

I agree 100%

The tongue piercing does add a certain appeal.

[Ranger99]

There are women with asses as wide as an axe handle is long, and its considered like some kind of great thing.

Come on DDZ. You don't like those 300 pounders in pink spandex that say "Juicy"

No not at all Normal to small size, is much more appealing. 

What's really gross is when you add a dozen or so tattoos to those 300 pounders.

JMHO- I've yet to see any woman of
any configuration that was made more
attractive by marking herself up with
tattoos and/or piercings

I agree 100%

The tongue piercing does add a certain appeal.

Sorry,  not to me.
That, and a ring or tattoo on/around
the female goods just says to me
that " this woman was willing to allow
a stranger to diddle with personal
areas of her body in a fashion other
than medical "
Gives me pause to wonder, what else
would she be willing to allow someone
to do to her body?

[Doublebass73]

Trying to find a woman without tattoos and piercings these days is like looking for a unicorn.

[DDZ]

I do believe that those who decorate their self with tats and piercings are searching for attention.

[Dee]

I've seen some ole gals with 3 & 4 axe handle asses. Add a big tattoo, and they take on the look of a topographical map.

[neckisred]

I've often wondered what happens when they let a big old fart in those spandex pants???

[powderman]

[quoteJMHO- I've yet to see any woman of
any configuration that was made more
attractive by marking herself up with
tattoos and/or piercings][/quote]


ME EITHER. I hate tats, rings pins, chains anywhere in the face, eyebrows, earsd, nose, even bones in the nose. Never seen ANY of that make a pretty girl prettier. AND it makes fat ugly girls even more so. Saw waaaaayy too much of trash at WM for 8 years, some were downright disgusting. CHARLIE. 

[geosmin]

I like real estate. But as always, it's about location, location, location.

[bearman49709]

America is a fat epidemic. It's too bad they don't treat obesity like the serious health problem that it is. Most of the the so called "covid" deaths are due to obesity rather than covid itself. Instead of telling people what a serious issue it is we now have the "body positivity movement". It only exists with females but that's a huge portion of our population. Instead of being told they should get healthy women are told that being fat is beautiful and they should love their bodies no matter what. There's even a term called BBW (Big Beautiful Woman) which in reality is a PC term for a morbidly obese woman.

The fact that airlines now have to consider the weight of passengers tells us that American society as a whole has gotten so fat that they've exceeded the design limits of jets.

Oct 1977 I was asked how much I weighed for a flight to Central America on a large 4 engine jet , I forget which airline but it was a American based airline and I was 6'2" and weighed 190lbs.
Two day's ago I was at the DR's and weighed 199lbs, not bad for 43 years later.

[Doublebass73]

America is a fat epidemic. It's too bad they don't treat obesity like the serious health problem that it is. Most of the the so called "covid" deaths are due to obesity rather than covid itself. Instead of telling people what a serious issue it is we now have the "body positivity movement". It only exists with females but that's a huge portion of our population. Instead of being told they should get healthy women are told that being fat is beautiful and they should love their bodies no matter what. There's even a term called BBW (Big Beautiful Woman) which in reality is a PC term for a morbidly obese woman.

The fact that airlines now have to consider the weight of passengers tells us that American society as a whole has gotten so fat that they've exceeded the design limits of jets.

Oct 1977 I was asked how much I weighed for a flight to Central America on a large 4 engine jet , I forget which airline but it was a American based airline and I was 6'2" and weighed 190lbs.
Two day's ago I was at the DR's and weighed 199lbs, not bad for 43 years later.

That's impressive. I weigh about 10 pounds more now than I did 30 years ago.

[Dee]

My normal weight for many years was about 235 (6'3"). At 71 I weigh about 220.

[Doublebass73]

That's what I weigh now, 235 and I'm 6'2". A couple years ago I was able to get down to 225 but it took an insane amount of exercise and diet on top of the substantial hiking that I already do now.

[billy_56081]

I'm 5'6" I went from 255 to 180 doing keto.