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Biden looks abroad for elect vehicle metals, totaly ignores American miners
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Biden looks abroad for electric vehicle metals, in blow to US miners
Biden officials want to ensure the administration's EV aspirations are not imperiled as domestic mines face roadblocks

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U.S. President Joe Biden will rely on ally countries to supply the bulk of the metals needed to build electric vehicles and focus on processing them domestically into battery parts, part of a strategy designed to placate environmentalists, two administration officials with direct knowledge told Reuters.

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The plans will be a blow to U.S. miners who had hoped Biden would rely primarily on domestically sourced metals, as his campaign had signaled last autumn, to help fulfill his ambitions for a less carbon-intensive economy.

Rather than focus on permitting more U.S. mines, Biden's team is more focused on creating jobs that process minerals domestically into electric vehicle (EV) battery parts, according to the people.

Such a plan would help cut U.S. reliance on industry leader China for EV materials while also enticing unions with manufacturing work and, in theory, reduce pandemic-fueled unemployment.

The U.S. Commerce Department is organizing a June conference to attract more EV manufacturing to the country. Biden's proposed $1.7 trillion infrastructure plan earmarks $174 billion to boost the domestic EV market with tax credits and grants for battery manufacturers, among other incentives. The department declined to comment.

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"It's not that hard to dig a hole. What's hard is getting that stuff out and getting it to processing facilities. That's what the U.S. government is focused on," said one of the sources.

The approach would see the United States rely on Canada, Australia, and Brazil - among others - to produce most of the critical raw materials needed, while it competes for higher-value jobs turning those minerals into computer chips and batteries, according to the two sources.

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Securing the full supply chain from metals to batteries does not require the United States to be the primary producer of the raw materials, said one of the sources.

A full strategy will be finalized after a year-long supply chain review involving national security and economic development officials.

Biden officials want to ensure the administration's EV aspirations are not imperiled as domestic mines face roadblocks, the sources said, both from environmentalists and even some Democrats.

"It rings hollow when I hear everyone use this as a national defense argument, that we have to build new mines to have a greener economy," said U.S. Representative Betty McCollum, a Democrat who has introduced legislation that would permanently block Antofagasta Plc's proposed Twin Metals copper mine in Minnesota.

Ali Zaidi, deputy White House national climate advisor, said the administration was focused on a strategy that "leverages our domestic resources in a way that's responsible", noting that included recycling in the supply chain.

While U.S. projects from small and large miners alike will feel the impact, the pain from any blocked projects will fall disproportionately on smaller, U.S.-focused companies. Many large miners also have global projects that could benefit from the administration's plan.

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"We can no longer push the production of the products we want to places we cannot see and to people we will never meet," said Mckinsey Lyon of Perpetua Resources Corp, which is trying to develop Idaho's Stibnite mine to produce gold and antimony used to make EV battery alloys.

INVESTMENTS
The U.S. government in April became the largest shareholder in mining investment firm TechMet, which controls a Brazilian nickel project, a Rwandan tungsten mine and is a major investor in a Canadian battery recycler.

Washington also funds research into Canadian cobalt projects and rare earths projects in Malawi, among other international investments.

The State Department's Energy Resource Governance Initiative (ERGI) is one of the main programs Washington plans to use to help allies discover and develop lithium, cobalt and other EV metals. To be sure, Washington is not ignoring domestic mining.

The U.S. Department of Energy has awarded grants to help old coal mines find ways to produce rare earths. U.S. officials have also funded MP Materials Corp, which owns the country's only rare earths mine, though it relies on Chinese processors.

But the bulk of Biden's approach is designed to sidestep battles with environmentalists and save capital for other fights, according to one administration source. During a visit to a Ford Motor Co plant in Michigan on May 18, Biden called for government grants for new EV battery facilities. He mentioned Australia's lithium reserves during the tour, but not large U.S. supplies of the key battery mineral.

Republicans say Biden's EV plans will be impossible to achieve without more U.S. mines.


"These 'not-in-my-backyard' extremists have made clear they want to lock up our land and prevent the mining of minerals," U.S. Representative Lauren Boebert, a Colorado Republican, told a House Natural Resources Committee forum held the same day as Biden's Michigan visit.

PLACATING LABOR
Biden's approach comes with risks, including angering political supporters within the labor movement who want the administration to have an openness to resource extraction and the attendant jobs.

"Let's let Americans extract these minerals from the earth," said Aaron Butler of United Association Local 469 union, which does work for Rio Tinto Ltd's proposed Resolution copper mine project in Arizona and endorsed Biden in the elections. "These are good-paying jobs." Many of the skills that labor unions would use to build mines, including concrete and electrical work, can also be used to build EV metal processing plants.

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The National Mining Association, an industry trade group, has been lobbying the White House and Congress to support domestic projects, arguing that the coronavirus pandemic showed the importance of localizing supply chains.

Biden's White House is now quietly working to enlist labor support as it tries to build a case that its green policies are creating jobs, ahead of the 2022 midterm elections that could determine whether the strategy wins congressional backing, according to two organized labor sources familiar with the campaign Biden officials have reached out to unions across the country asking for specific job-boosting projects the administration can take credit for, the labor sources said.

(Reporting by Ernest Scheyder in Houston and Trevor Hunnicutt in Washington; Editing by Amran Abocar and Marguerita Choy)
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There is enough lithium in the California mountains to power every car in the US.  California won't let them mine it.  So Elon Musk is mining Nevada next door to build his car batteries.  He also built a huge, something like 400 acres, battery factory in Utah.  California is killing itself.  Also, the US and Canada have 90% of the copper in the world, but a lot of copper mining has been stopped by environmentalists.  Lead is similar, we can't even smelt lead in the US anymore, due to environmental reasons.  Government is killing our economy and allowing China to take the lead. 
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Thought I read somewhere that the US electrical grid will not support the influx of electric cars?

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Folks like me don't want an electric car.
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to put charging capability in every home in america it would take a complete overhaul of our transmission grid. it would take reconductoring every rural distribution line, ever transformer at every home and just about every service entrance  at every home. We are near brown out conditions everywhere and are there in many citys. Look at the disaster in texas. Our electrical grid is 30 years behind in upgrades and maintenance. The last 10 years i worked as a lineman we didnt rebuild anything or upgrade anything. There was no money to do it. All we did was fix what fell down and that kept us plenty busy.

These liberal idiots think electricity comes from the electric fairy. It would take trillions of dollars and decades of work to get it to the point that every vehicle in this country could be replaced by electric cars and trucks. It would tax us into the dark ages and i mean DARK. Hippy dreams. Even if they upgraded all those lines we still are barely getting by on the power we transmit over them today. Wheres all this new electricity going to come from. Bernies electric fairys!!! Wed have to about double our power production to do it.

Then what are they going to do with the MILLIONS of gas powered cars left over when they force us to buy electric. This is just part of the socialist plan. They will make it so only the wealthy can afford a car or truck. The rest of us will be walkng or peddling. Only those who can afford a 100k car which is what they will cost when you have to buy one by law and because of it they take away the government substitutes. Add another 50k to put in a solar system capable of charging them because the cost of doing it with our existing system just isnt happening. Then they will have to find a way to tax you for usage so they can maintain the roads.   
Thought I read somewhere that the US electrical grid will not support the influx of electric cars?
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As always everything is a trade.  Lithium production at Elon Musk's site requires LOTS of water, something not in large supply in Nevada.  Copper mining typically results in vast contamination of water supplies.  What will the ranchers and farmers say when their water is gone or polluted???  The same is true of fracking, good for gas extraction but bad for anyone who needs uncontaminated water...  There are predictions that water may be the next "oil crisis", I hope not.  Personally I think we should bring back nuclear power, the risk reward is much better for the greatest amount of humans.

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We import 80% of our rare earth metals needs from the chinks so naturally Beijing Biden wants to keep it that way.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-rareearth-explainer/u-s-dependence-on-chinas-rare-earth-trade-war-vulnerability-idUSKCN1TS3AQ
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. . . .  There was no money to do it.. . .

JMHO-  the money was probably there at one
point, but was used for something different,
or shifted to cover some misappropriation,
or most likely just pocketed
I've seen that, especially in rural communities.
Two places I've lived have had money budgeted
for water improvements and for extending
water service farther out away into the community.
Both times the budget money was pretty much
stolen and covered up and they got away with it
even though it was common knowledge.
One was the county road people where my buddy
lived budgeted so much dollars toward repairing
and resurfacing many of the old blacktop roads
throughout the county. After some months he'd
told me that they'd brought in machinery and
dumped many loads of asphalt on the end of his
FM road, and he figured to have a halfway decent
road to drive on after a while. Well all the stuff
sat there for a few weeks,  then the county came
and scooped up all the materials and hauled away
the equipment without laying a new surface.
There were a few shovel fulls throwed down in
some of the deeper holes by the stop sign,  but no
repairs.  Turns out one of the commissioners had
some nice new asphalt roads all around his big
ranch, and all around his barns were now topped
instead of muddy ruts

It happens everywhere
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the electric industry is closely regulated. There books are wide open to the government. But that said it is the government so corruption could possibly happen but its much less likely then in other businesses. Even our pensionis protected by the government. The companies cant touch those funds for any other purpose. The public service commission pretty much rules with an iron fist. They cannot raise rates or make major spending without there permission. Its one of the scary things about this green energy deal. Even if the utilitys know its a money loosing proposition they can be forced to go that way by the government and the government can force them to raise rates to pay for it. The power industry is about as close to government run socialism as it gets.
. . . .  There was no money to do it.. . .

JMHO-  the money was probably there at one
point, but was used for something different,
or shifted to cover some misappropriation,
or most likely just pocketed
I've seen that, especially in rural communities.
Two places I've lived have had money budgeted
for water improvements and for extending
water service farther out away into the community.
Both times the budget money was pretty much
stolen and covered up and they got away with it
even though it was common knowledge.
One was the county road people where my buddy
lived budgeted so much dollars toward repairing
and resurfacing many of the old blacktop roads
throughout the county. After some months he'd
told me that they'd brought in machinery and
dumped many loads of asphalt on the end of his
FM road, and he figured to have a halfway decent
road to drive on after a while. Well all the stuff
sat there for a few weeks,  then the county came
and scooped up all the materials and hauled away
the equipment without laying a new surface.
There were a few shovel fulls throwed down in
some of the deeper holes by the stop sign,  but no
repairs.  Turns out one of the commissioners had
some nice new asphalt roads all around his big
ranch, and all around his barns were now topped
instead of muddy ruts

It happens everywhere
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We import 80% of our rare earth metals needs from the chinks so naturally Beijing Biden wants to keep it that way.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-rareearth-explainer/u-s-dependence-on-chinas-rare-earth-trade-war-vulnerability-idUSKCN1TS3AQ

And when a majority of China is polluted and unlivable they will start taking livable land by force.
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