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After 14 year study pope changes the laws on Church sex abuse.
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Vatican law criminalizes sexual abuse of adults by priests, laity
The new law takes effect on December 8
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Pope Francis has changed church law to explicitly criminalize the sexual abuse of adults by priests who abuse their authority and to say that laypeople who hold church office can be sanctioned for similar sex crimes.

The new provisions, released Tuesday after 14 years of study, were contained in the revised criminal law section of the Vatican’s Code of Canon Law, the in-house legal system that covers the 1.3 billion-strong Catholic Church.

The most significant changes are contained in two articles, 1395 and 1398, which aim to address major shortcomings in the church’s handling of sexual abuse. The law recognizes that adults, too, can be victimized by priests who abuse their authority, and said that laypeople in church offices can be punished for abusing minors as well as adults.

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The Vatican also criminalized the "grooming" of minors or vulnerable adults by priests to compel them to engage in pornography. It’s the first time church law has officially recognized as criminal the method used by sexual predators to build relationships with their victims to then sexually exploit them.

The law also removes much of the discretion that had long allowed bishops and religious superiors to ignore or cover up abuse, making clear they can be held responsible for omissions and negligence in failing to properly investigate and sanction errant priests.

FILE - In this Nov. 8, 2020 file photo, Pope Francis reads his message during the Angelus noon prayer from the window of his studio overlooking St.Peter's Square, at the Vatican. (AP Photo/Alessandra Tarantino, file)
FILE - In this Nov. 8, 2020 file photo, Pope Francis reads his message during the Angelus noon prayer from the window of his studio overlooking St.Peter's Square, at the Vatican. (AP Photo/Alessandra Tarantino, file)
Ever since the 1983 code was issued, lawyers and bishops have complained it was completely inadequate to deal with the sexual abuse of minors, since it required time-consuming trials. Victims and their advocates, meanwhile, have argued it left too much discretion in the hands of bishops who had an interest in covering up for their priests.

The Vatican issued piecemeal changes over the years to address the problems and loopholes, most significantly requiring all cases to be sent to the Holy See for review and allowing for a more streamlined administrative process to defrock a priest if the evidence against him was overwhelming.

More recently, Francis passed new laws to punish bishops and religious superiors who failed to protect their flocks. The new criminal code incorporates those changes and goes beyond them.

According to the new law, priests who engage in sexual acts with anyone — not just a minor or someone who lacks the use of reason — can be defrocked if they used "force, threats or abuse of his authority" to engage in sexual acts.

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The law doesn’t explicitly define which adults are covered, saying only "one to whom the law recognizes equal protection."

The Vatican has long considered any sexual relations between a priest and an adult as sinful but consensual, believing that adults are able to offer or refuse consent purely by the nature of their age. But amid the #MeToo movement and scandals of seminarians and nuns being sexually abused by their superiors, the Vatican has come to realize that adults can be victimized too if they are in a relationship with a power imbalance.

That dynamic was most clearly recognized in the scandal over ex-Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, the former archbishop of Washington. Even though the Vatican knew for years he slept with his seminarians, McCarrick was only put on trial after someone came forward saying he had abused him as a youth. Francis defrocked him in 2019.

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In a novelty aimed at addressing sex crimes committed by laypeople who hold church offices, such as founders of lay religious movements or even church administrators, the new law says laypeople can be similarly punished if they abuse their authority to engage in sexual crimes.

Since these laypeople can’t be defrocked, penalties include losing their jobs, paying fines or being removed from their communities.

The need for such a provision was made clear in the scandal involving Luis Figari, the lay founder of the Peru-based conservative group Sodalitium Christianae Vitae, a conservative movement that has 20,000 members and chapters throughout South America and the U.S.


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An independent investigation concluded he was a paranoid narcissist obsessed with sex and watching his underlings endure pain and humiliation. But the Vatican dithered for years on how to sanction him, ultimately deciding to remove him from Peru and isolate him from the community.

The new law takes effect on Dec. 8.
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Re: After 14 year study pope changes the laws on Church sex abuse.
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2021, 04:13:18 AM »
Ole Constantine sure conjured himself up a winner. He started out compromising with pagan beliefs, pagan rituals, pagan practices, and pagan holidays, then threw in a Christian Bible. Stirred it all up together and came up with Catholicism.
Ole frankie is raking off crap, only to find more crap.
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Re: After 14 year study pope changes the laws on Church sex abuse.
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2021, 04:25:20 AM »
Just typical of dee. Even when the catholics do something you cant help but support your insecurity only allows attacks. Just sad! I think you need another swim in the creek out back of the church. You sure werent born again the first time.
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Re: After 14 year study pope changes the laws on Church sex abuse.
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2021, 04:39:45 AM »
Just typical of dee. Even when the catholics do something you cant help but support your insecurity only allows attacks. Just sad! I think you need another swim in the creek out back of the church. You sure werent born again the first time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_scandal_in_Southern_Baptist_churches

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Re: After 14 year study pope changes the laws on Church sex abuse.
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2021, 04:46:02 AM »
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   Fourteen years does sound like an unnecessarily long study, before action was taken. He should not have needed a study, since our rule book the Bible, already warns that anyone harming children..should get a rope and a millstone.  Same goes for those who misuse vulnerable adults.

  However, I can't complain about Catholics alone..since there have been found such perpetrators in many denominations, and it would be extreme legalism, to complain about any given church more than others. since one sin is as bad as another.
 
   The rules should be simple...Anyone in a position of trust..Priest, preacher, cop, lawyer, judge, politician, banker, psychologist, psychiatrist, doctor, etc. who betrays that trust, should be punished doubly what any other person would receive.

  Just my $ .02..take it or trash it !
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Re: After 14 year study pope changes the laws on Church sex abuse.
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2021, 04:56:55 AM »
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   Fourteen years does sound like an unnecessarily long study, before action was taken. He should not have needed a study, since our rule book the Bible, already warns that anyone harming children..should get a rope and a millstone.  Same goes for those who misuse vulnerable adults.

  However, I can't complain about Catholics alone..since there have been found such perpetrators in many denominations, and it would be extreme legalism, to complain about any given church more than others. since one sin is as bad as another.
 
   The rules should be simple...Anyone in a position of trust..Priest, preacher, cop, lawyer, judge, politician, banker, psychologist, psychiatrist, doctor, etc. who betrays that trust, should be punished doubly what any other person would receive.

  Just my $ .02..take it or trash it !

I agree concerning Christian based churches. SEVERAL YEARS AGO, I divested myself of the Southern Baptist Convention affiliated church I grew up in because of their drift into "liberal Christian lite" feel good worship, and "Rick Warrenism".
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Re: After 14 year study pope changes the laws on Church sex abuse.
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2021, 05:04:08 AM »
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   Fourteen years does sound like an unnecessarily long study, before action was taken. He should not have needed a study, since our rule book the Bible, already warns that anyone harming children..should get a rope and a millstone.  Same goes for those who misuse vulnerable adults.

  However, I can't complain about Catholics alone..since there have been found such perpetrators in many denominations, and it would be extreme legalism, to complain about any given church more than others. since one sin is as bad as another.
 
   The rules should be simple...Anyone in a position of trust..Priest, preacher, cop, lawyer, judge, politician, banker, psychologist, psychiatrist, doctor, etc. who betrays that trust, should be punished doubly what any other person would receive.

  Just my $ .02..take it or trash it !

I agree concerning Christian based churches. SEVERAL YEARS AGO, I divested myself of the Southern Baptist Convention affiliated church I grew up in because of their drift into "liberal Christian lite" feel good worship.

  Right you are Dee... and that "feel good' idea is what is killing many churches.  ..And when the 'going gets tough'...as it will in the future, the "feel good" crowd will be nowhere be found, certainly nowhere near a church building.
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Re: After 14 year study pope changes the laws on Church sex abuse.
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2021, 06:28:45 AM »
If only they had punished the American bishops who moved pedophile priests to new churches after they got caught. Instead the Vatican rewarded these bishops with cushy jobs at the Vatican. I guess they couldn't punish the bishops for following orders from the Vatican though.
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Re: After 14 year study pope changes the laws on Church sex abuse.
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2021, 09:28:35 AM »
maybe now finally the cover ups will end. History is just that.
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Re: After 14 year study pope changes the laws on Church sex abuse.
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2021, 01:29:51 PM »
History repeats itself. Especially for those who forget or want it to be in the past. Cover it up and forget about it, it’s done, over, in the past, never happened. Let’s Bury it and throw dirt on it and all is well. So. Who pays for this overlook? Our children...

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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2021, 03:10:42 PM »
As the way I see it and probably will be chastised for it is religious leaders are more and more like politicians. Money talks. I read my books every day. I don't need organized religion to tell me my beliefs.

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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2021, 09:49:54 PM »
be careful mule. Thats just what biden was preaching in his speech yesterday about the blacks. Some times holding on to the past just poisons the future.
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Re: After 14 year study pope changes the laws on Church sex abuse.
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2021, 08:24:26 AM »
My first thought when I read the first paragraph was that they needed a 14 year study to know that sexual abuse, especially when it involved children, should be criminalized. Should have been the standard to criminalize that kind of behavior from the get go. Needing a 14 year study to know that is nothing but a joke. Kind of tells me they really didn't want it criminalized. Guess now they figured they had to do something since the heat was being turned up, and just used the excuse it took a 14 year study.
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Re: After 14 year study pope changes the laws on Church sex abuse.
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2021, 08:46:17 AM »
My first thought when I read the first paragraph was that they needed a 14 year study to know that sexual abuse, especially when it involved children, should be criminalized. Should have been the standard to criminalize that kind of behavior from the get go. Needing a 14 year study to know that is nothing but a joke. Kind of tells me they really didn't want it criminalized. Guess now they figured they had to do something since the heat was being turned up, and just used the excuse it took a 14 year study.

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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2021, 10:30:27 AM »
My first thought when I read the first paragraph was that they needed a 14 year study to know that sexual abuse, especially when it involved children, should be criminalized. Should have been the standard to criminalize that kind of behavior from the get go. Needing a 14 year study to know that is nothing but a joke. Kind of tells me they really didn't want it criminalized. Guess now they figured they had to do something since the heat was being turned up, and just used the excuse it took a 14 year study.

Every policy of not criminalizing sexual abuse came straight from the Vatican. The policy of moving pedophile priests to new churches after getting caught was official Vatican policy so naturally the need for a 14 year "study" is typical of the Vatican.
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