SACRIFICING LIBERTY _ _ June 8th

[TM7]

its another anniversary for the surprise
attack on the USS LIBERTY.   Here's the definitive story of what really happened as told by the sailors who were there.

https://www.sacrificingliberty.com/

This is a 4 part miniseries and there is a small fee to view, but worth it. Sadly time has taken many of these brave men. This is the last chance to find out what and why Liberty was sacrificed.
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.TM7

[ironglows]

its another anniversary for the surprise
attack on the USS LIBERTY.   Here's the definitive story of what really happened as told by the sailors who were there.

https://www.sacrificingliberty.com/

This is a 4 part miniseries and there is a small fee to view, but worth it. Sadly time has taken many of these brave men. This is the last chance to find out what and why Liberty was sacrificed.
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.TM7

  I never fail to marvel, how one misfortunate incident among friendlies can generate so much vitriol. In 1967, the US and Israel were firm allies.  Thus there would be no reason to suspect an intentional attack.

  In 1965, just 2 years earlier, I was in the Army in Germany..busy funneling vehicles to Israel.

  That likely was a US spy ship, gathering intel for Pentagon consumption, and the Israelis had no need to think the US was going to provide G2 info to the various Arab powers which had Israel at that point, quite thoroughly surrounded, and they were ready to attack.
  The most logical assumption would be a tragic "friendly fire" incident.  There would have been no good reason to attack a US ship, since the US is/has been  and sometimes only ally..

  If we are to fault Israel for more than a friendly fire incident, then we should consider what the Arab forces have clearly and intentionally done to US military and civilians. forces..

  For instance...

   The Khobar towers..  https://blogs.va.gov/VAntage/31991/surviving-khobar-towers-airmen-reflect-back-20-years/

   Marine barracks in Beirut,,241 American and 58 French "peacekeepers"....murdered.
  https://www.ksro.com/2017/10/23/a-look-back-at-the-deadly-1983-marine-barracks-bombing-in-beirut/

   USS Cole, 17 Americans murdered;
  https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/uss-cole-bombing

  World Trade Center first bombed in 1993;
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing

      .....Nor can we ever forget..

[ironglows]

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   How does that single accusation square with the worldwide terror and misery caused by the Muslim forces throughout the world?
      How many planes hijacked? 

  An entire Olympic wrestling team kidnapped and murdered at the ! 1972 games,

 Christians being beheaded around the world,

  African girls school emptied to supply terrorist sex urges.
   
   Women stoned to death because their ankle showed under their total feedbag.
   
  teenage girls shot for attending school.
 
   Irreplaceable ancient heritage sites destroyed by Islamic fanatics.
 
   Bombed Twin Towers, 1993

    Destroyed Twin Towers 2001

  Refusing  to coexist with other religions, leads to mayhem.

 Regular cases of the "honor killing" of teenage girls.

  Murdered well over 200 Marines in Beirut

  For all the anguish, pain and sorrow which Islam has spread around the world over the last 40-50 years
  The accusation concerning the USS Liberty ...pales in comparison to the thousands upon thousands who have suffered around the world...directly attributable to Islam.

 

[O-mega]

You're trying to divert this thread per your agenda.
It doesn't  square anything, except for the fact that all your cited diversions came after the attack on the USS LIBERTY,  and the fact you're trying to deny the abhorrent truth that a so-called ally diabolically attacked our ship and got away with it by a coverup provided by our own government....and only God saved this vessel for the truth to come out.
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.TM7

As I understand it, we have been battling muslims since just after the War of Independence.  In 1786 Thomas Jeferson and John Adams were told by the Tripoli Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman that:

It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once

[ironglows]

IG...
You're trying to divert this thread per your racial and religious agenda. You can not comment on the Libefty video because you refuse to watch it, and so again pander your agenda and impressions.
It doesn't  square anything, except for the fact that all your cited diversions came after the attack on the USS LIBERTY,  and the fact you're trying to deny the abhorrent truth that a so-called ally diabolically attacked our ship and got away with it by a coverup provided by our own government....and only God saved this vessel for the truth to come out. It was after the Liberty attack hinge point that Moslem - US relations started going south.
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.TM7

  Sorry TM, we agree on much, but in this case, I must defer. I have seen various articles and videos from both sides, concerning the Liberty event..so I won't pay just to see one more.

  I prefer to look at it this way..  For instance, the small motorboat piloted by 2-3 Muslim fellows, that ran into the USS Cole. 
  If this had been just a single such incident, and they claimed it was an accident...I may try to give them a benefit of doubt.  But of course, the fact that it was more a explosive laden torpedo than a boat, does provoke some doubt.
  ..But when placed within a context of hundreds of other such incidents, such an excuse would be hard to accept.

  Now, the Liberty incident stands alone..there are no other attacks upon US property or interests, during the same half century or so, when there were numerous attacks on same, apparently inspired by Islam.
   
  So, if the Israelis say it was accidental or a mistaken identity...it seems much more plausible.

[O-mega]

iG...that post is full of suppositions and nonsense.  A 3 hr attack on a beautiful afternoon with colors flying is not an accident.  That Johnson and McNamara refused to rescue the Liberty is a fact  just ask the sailors that were there. There is testimony from IDF pilots who said they were ordered to attack and sink our ship.
 Your guess that there has been no .other attacks or subterfuge except those blamed on Islamist, is simply not grounded in fact, but is based on willful ignorance.
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.TM7

My question is, to what end?  The US was already an ally of Israel, and doubt they would have stayed neutral if things would have turned south for them. 

I know many people balk at wiki pages due to open source, and sometimes rightly so, but reading through this I find it hard to believe that Israel would have deliberately provoked a response from the US by knowingly attacking a US vessel, then quickly admitting to it.  They would have been better served to make it look like one of the other countries involved in the conflict made the attack, which was completely within the capacity of the Mossad.  This was three days into the 6-day war, we were stupid for having any vessels that close to the conflict without notifying the warring parties, flag or no flag, which is probably why they tried, and failed, to keep a longer distance.  When we were inserted between the Contras, Sandinistas, and Honduran troops there was so much fanfare that there was no way for any side to not know we were there.  A FF or insurgent attack would have led to a much larger escalation by the US that none wanted it and neither side took the chance.
I get it, if I was there I would probably feel let down or betrayed by the circumstances, but in just about every war, we have FF incidents, that get either swept under the rug, or for security, and other purposes, get covered up, some famously so, but the incident itself is just FF, while the reaction is the controversy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

[O-mega]

''Just friendly fire''. ' 'JUST FRIENDLY FIRE''    !

Mind boggling cognitive dissonance here.
Since when is a 3hr  multiwave deadly attack on a beautiful day called friendly fire? Even strafing life boats. I'll take the word of the guys that were there _ _ not a sanitizing Wikipedia narrative.  The Liberty in the midst of the planned attack even changed flags to a huge American ceremonial flag which couldn't be missed. And they were cruising in International Waters with every right to be there.

In fact they were there to spy on Egypt and supply intel to the zionist, when they discovered horrid IDF atrocities,  namely massacres of large numbers of captured Egyptians.

Before that the Johnson/ McNamara deep state with Mossad plotted to sacrifice Liberty in exchange for the jewish caucus securing support for adventures in Vietnam- - something JFK refused to go for. And for the US to take out Egypt blaming the attack on Egypt. We all know how Vietnam worked out. At the time as today, the jewish caucus chairs every major committee in Congress.
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As it happened because of the IDF/Mossad failure to sink Liberty and by God's grace the ship was spared, despite a Benghazi type call for help which Johnson et al and the zionist denied . Miraculously the ship and wounded survived... a true wartime drama. Johnson and the zionist were forced to a massive coverup and lying, even threatening the lives and careers of Liberty's crew...

Not only is this a decrepit diabolical chapter on deep state plots, it damaged and set the tone for American - Arab relations to this day, as Johnson/ McNamara were now blackmailable and compromised. Now with the SACRIFICING LIBERTY series the truth come out of the rabbit hole.
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.TM7

What I see is a raging hardon against jews.  This is one of many anti jewish posts I have seen from you.  Again I fail to see what this supposed preplanned attack would accomplish.  And the whole argument that the jews control our government falls flat when Obama and now Biden treat Israel like they do.

[O-mega]

Oh! Typical last ditch attempt to cover up and re-bury the truth of the Liberty attack by pulling the usual anti-Semitic card, just like libbers pull the race card. Obama and Biden have nothing do with this saga. And they treat Israel just fine to the tune of 10 million a day in aid.

How disgraceful to the USS Liberty survivors on the anniversary of their attack and to America at large. Typical and expected. Way to go Omega! The accounts of Liberty survivors and facts are meaningless as far as your agenda is concerned . Way to go!.  Sheesh....must be the truth is anti-Semitic.

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Agenda?  LMFAO, I have no dog in this fight either way, I just call them as I seem em. 

[powderman]

If ANYBODY wants to hear anything Good about Jews or Israel, you won't hear it from TM7, he and I butted heads for many years. Me for Christians and Jews, Israel, him for the godless ones, muslims.
BUT, he is right, his thread is about the  attack on the USS LIBERTY. Those others Pete brought up have nothing to do with this thread. Did Israel know the LIBERTY was an American ship?? Of course they did.
Can't remember exactly what was going on besides the 6 day war, they were literally fighting for their lives, but We had done something that made the Jews distrust us, can NOT remember what. They knew the LIBERTY was spying, but not sure who for, they were very distrustful.
They  kept the LIBERTY crew pinned, and guessing. Could they have sunk the ship??? OF course they could have, but chose NOT TO. Too far for a jet to reach them?? NONSENSE.
ANYWAY, I agree with TM7, YIKES, did I really say that??. . If you want to comment on the LIBERTY. ?? Please do. CHARLIE. 

[ironglows]

 TM spoke of the  Liberty, not the Cole..

  The other incidents were to simply set the frame for the preponderance of evidence, relating to who was accustomed to performing terrorist attacks, originating in the middle east !

[darkgael]

IG: “no dog in this fight” ......you are being disingenuous. You just wrote a series of posts that show the opposite.
You do have a habit of spinning a topic away from the main idea and on to something else. I wrote to you about this a while ago...must be some years now. You are very good at spin. I wonder if you realize that you do it.

[ironglows]

From TM;
  "IG.....i have never read in the Bible or read Jesus saying we are suppose to kill moslems or his distant Semitic relatives living in Palestine for Israel. Besides the prophesy was fullfilled in 70AD"

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   Correct; Jesus never mentioned killing anybody.  Certainly not the Muslims, because they had not yet been dreamed up by Muhammed.
   He did mention their generic type however.. 

  "And many false prophets will rise up and mislead many people." (Matt 24:11)

  Correction;  The key prophesy was fulfilled in 1948;
 
 
13 “Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord,
“When the plowman shall overtake the reaper,
And the treader of grapes him who sows seed;
The mountains shall drip with sweet wine,
And all the hills shall flow with it.
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel;
They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them;
They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them;
They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them.
15 I will plant them in their land,
And no longer shall they be pulled up
From the land I have given them,”
Says the Lord your God" ((Amos 9:13-15)

[O-mega]

IG: “no dog in this fight” ......you are being disingenuous. You just wrote a series of posts that show the opposite.
You do have a habit of spinning a topic away from the main idea and on to something else. I wrote to you about this a while ago...must be some years now. You are very good at spin. I wonder if you realize that you do it.

Actually it was I that said I have no dog in this fight, and I meant it as it would not affect me either way. 

[powderman]

YES, it was the LIBERTY, and well before everything else you brought up. CHARLIE. 

[ironglows]

IG: “no dog in this fight” ......you are being disingenuous. You just wrote a series of posts that show the opposite.
You do have a habit of spinning a topic away from the main idea and on to something else. I wrote to you about this a while ago...must be some years now. You are very good at spin. I wonder if you realize that you do it.

  Look again!  I think you will find that quote came from TM, speaking to Omega..  (Omega post #13)

[ironglows]

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  From TM..." Jesus said he fullfilled the prophesy, which  was contracted in 70AD. He closed the book and opened a new contract."
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   Sorry, pal that doesn't fly..  You should have read the Amos prophesy a bit closer;

   13 “Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord,
“When the plowman shall overtake the reaper,
And the treader of grapes him who sows seed;
The mountains shall drip with sweet wine,
And all the hills shall flow with it.
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel;
They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them;
They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them;
They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them.
15 I will plant them in their land,
And no longer shall they be pulled up
From the land I have given them,”
Says the Lord your God" ((Amos 9:13-15)
     

   In reference to your above quote, Jesus also said.." “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."  (Matt 5:17)

[ironglows]

Amos the prophet is OT around 750BC.
Are you trying to sell the idea that Khazarians from Europe, are the 13th Tribe, and people of Israel? If so they sure made a mess of the place. The prophesy was fullfilled in 70AD as Jesus said and said he wasn't re-writing the book (as Darby and con-man Scofield did). He clearly said the Holy Land was for all peoples.
.Christianity is not an exclusionary religion, even though you think it is.

It is your belief and practice of 'chosenism ' that has caused most of the conflict in the ME as highlighted by the treachery in the USS LIBERTY Incident.

.TM7

  That term, "Khazarians", is a term rarely heard, except for those misled, nominally Christian, splinter groups that tend to fall for that old Herbert W. Armstrong cult leader, who believed in 'replacement'  or 'supersession' theology.
  There are some of those groups around, still today..

  Those so-called "lost tribes" were not so lost that they showed up in America in a pre-Columbian era !