HOBBY LOBBY faces backlash over JULY 4 ad calling for CHRISTIAN run GOVT.

[powderman]

HOBBY LOBBY faces backlash over July 4 ad calling for CHRISTIAN run Govt.
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Hobby Lobby Faces Backlash Over Newspaper Ad Calling for Christian-Run Government
James Crump  3 hrs ago

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Arts and crafts giant Hobby Lobby faced a backlash after it ran a full-page advertisement on July 4 in several newspapers across the U.S. that appeared to call for a Christian-run government.

a sign on the side of a building: File photo of a Hobby lobby storefront in the Polaris area of Columbus, Ohio. Crafts store Hobby Lobby ran a full page advertisement on July 4 in several newspapers across the U.S. titled "One Nation Under God,” calling for a Christian-run government.   Holly Hildreth / Contributor© Holly Hildreth/Moment Mobile ED via Getty Images File photo of a Hobby lobby storefront in the Polaris area of Columbus, Ohio. Crafts store Hobby Lobby ran a full page advertisement on July 4 in several newspapers across the U.S. titled "One Nation Under God,” calling for a Christian-run government. Holly Hildreth / Contributor
The advert, which Hobby Lobby ran in newspapers on Independence Day, was titled "One Nation Under God," and included the Bible verse "Blessed is the Nation whose God is the lord," as the company also posted about its campaign on its social media pages.


Hobby Lobby quoted former presidents who signed the Declaration of Independence in 1776 in its campaign, including George Washington, but the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) reported that the company had altered the quotes without providing the full context.

Included in the advert, Hobby Lobby claimed to quote former President John Adams saying: "We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion.

"Our Constitution was made only for religious and moral people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Although Adams did say those words, FFRF reported that Hobby Lobby altered the placement of the quotes to make the sentences look as if they followed one another, taking away the context that the former president used "religious" and "moral" as synonyms in the full speech.


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FFRF, a non-profit organization that advocates for atheists, agnostics, and non-theists, also reported that Hobby Lobby altered the placement of quotes for Washington and claimed that it took portions of speeches out of context for former presidents Thomas Jefferson and John Quincy Adams.

The company has been placing similar advertisements on U.S. holidays since Hobby Lobby founder David Greene felt "commissioned" by God to make them in 1995.

"Before long, Hobby Lobby was placing beautiful full-page ads celebrating the real meaning of Christmas, Easter, and Independence Day in newspapers across the country. The impact and relevancy of these messages is ongoing," the company wrote.

Hobby Lobby faced a backlash on social media after it tweeted about the advert on Sunday, and Twitter users shared the full-page ad in pictures taken of newspapers they were reading.

U.S. Army veteran David Weissman responded to the advert by saying "Shame on you @HobbyLobby," and added: "As an American Jew who served in the United States Army and took an oath to defend the Constitution; I find your statement of America should be lead by Christians to be asinine and unconstitutional."

As an American Jew who served in the United States Army and took an oath to defend the Constitution; I find your statement of America should be lead by Christians to be asinine and unconstitutional. Shame on you @HobbyLobby.

— David Weissman (@davidmweissman) July 4, 2021
Digimentors founder Sree Sreenivasan wrote: "The full-page ad by @HobbyLobby is an attack on freedom of religion & the rights of religious minorities," while author and pastor John Pavolvitz tweeted: "I've served as a pastor for over two decades.

"Organizations like@HobbyLobby are why so many people believe all Christians are hateful, intolerant bigots. The rest of us apologize for them."

I’ve served as a pastor for over two decades.

Organizations like @HobbyLobby are why so many people believe all Christians are hateful, intolerant bigots.

The rest of us apologize for them.

— John Pavlovitz (@johnpavlovitz) July 4, 2021
In July 2020, Hobby Lobby faced calls for a boycott after a photo of a display in one of its stores reading "USA vote Trump" in decorative letters was shared on Twitter.

The photo sparked fresh calls to boycott Hobby Lobby, following a string of controversies that have already seen people vowing to never set foot inside the craft store again.

One controversy arose when the company passed a ruling in the Supreme Court in 2014 that allowed the company to deny access to birth control to employees through health insurance. Hobby Lobby said that allowing the access would have violated their religious beliefs.

It is currently unclear how many newspapers across America the advert ran in. Newsweek has contacted Hobby Lobby and FFRF for comment and confirmation.

[Mule 11]

Well. Guess I’ll have to look into what they have for sale that I can use as I’d love to patronize them...

[NWBear]

Against the Constitution to "establish a religion".  Under God is OK, since most religions believe in a God, but you can't make ONE religion the "national" standard.

[Mule 11]

Against the Constitution to "establish a religion".  Under God is OK, since most religions believe in a God, but you can't make ONE religion the "national" standard.

I have no idea what you are saying. Do you?

[Mule 11]

Against the Constitution to "establish a religion".  Under God is OK, since most religions believe in a God, but you can't make ONE religion the "national" standard.

Our country and constitution was established under Christian values and beliefs as proven by the written text of the founding fathers.

[NWBear]

TM

Hobby Lobby did not do anything "wrong", this is a free country you can "propose" anything you want.  I could "propose" we make treason not a crime... However it would be unconstitutional so not realistic without an amendment to the constitution. 
I simply pointed out that making "Christianity" the national religion or giving it special status would violate the Constitution.  Since some here spout off with out really backing up what they; I will refer you to the United States Courts (https://www.uscourts.gov/educational-resources/educational-activities/first-amendment-and-religion):

The First Amendment has two provisions concerning religion: the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause. The Establishment clause prohibits the government from "establishing" a religion. The precise definition of "establishment" is unclear. Historically, it meant prohibiting state-sponsored churches, such as the Church of England.

Today, what constitutes an "establishment of religion" is often governed under the three-part test set forth by the U.S. Supreme Court in Lemon v. Kurtzman, 403 U.S. 602 (1971). Under the "Lemon" test, government can assist religion only if (1) the primary purpose of the assistance is secular, (2) the assistance must neither promote nor inhibit religion, and (3) there is no excessive entanglement between church and state.   

Hopefully this will help clear up what I was saying.  You can promote unconstitutional ideas but they don't have much chance of success if they are unconstitutional...

[Casull]

Strange thing is that I did NOT see a single quote from Hobby Lobby calling for a "Christian run government".  Apparently, whatever they said "appeared to call for a Christian-run government".  I guess that's enough to enrage some panty wetters.

[Ranger99]

That'd never happen anyway since
the gubmint is already chock full of
homos and perverts of every description

[Land_Owner]

It is well PAST time to STOP listening (and reacting) to the FNN's.  What "they" say is annoying as **** at best, corrupt, divisive, corrosive, racist, and filled with substantive lies.  Let them speak to themselves and listen to the echo of silence in response.  IGNORE the **** out of the FNN's.  That'll rattle their cages to the Nth degree and we should to do nothing to advance their agenda, not even in repeating their stories.  It isn't "news" anyway.  It's a Hit Piece.

[ironglows]

Against the Constitution to "establish a religion".  Under God is OK, since most religions believe in a God, but you can't make ONE religion the "national" standard.

   I don't see where a private entity suggesting that we vote some way, is ESTABLISHING any religion.  They aren't ESTABLISHING anything, by offering suggestions.

  That us after all, a statement by an individual, who happens to head a privately owned concern, is his freedom of speech to be curbed?

     ..That suggestion sounds awfully radical leftist to me!    

  Frankly, I believe any of us can shout from our soapbox.."vote for Christains" .... or conversely "don't vote for Christians".

  Seems like that is the essence of our constitution..

[ironglows]

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  Let's look at an excerpt from that article;

    — David Weissman (@davidmweissman) July 4, 2021
Digimentors founder Sree Sreenivasan wrote: "The full-page ad by @HobbyLobby is an attack on freedom of religion & the rights of religious minorities," while author and pastor John Pavolvitz tweeted: "I've served as a pastor for over two decades.

"Organizations like@HobbyLobby are why so many people believe all Christians are hateful, intolerant bigots. The rest of us apologize for them."

I’ve served as a pastor for over two decades.

Organizations like @HobbyLobby are why so many people believe all Christians are hateful, intolerant bigots.

The rest of us apologize for them.

  What a pile of BS!  In what way is suggesting that somebody vote for a given idea an attack upon freedom?


  Then we have a "pastor" named John Pavolvitz telling us it is wrong for a Christian to endorse a Christian !

    Meet John Pavolvitz;

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/heidi-stevens/ct-life-stevens-john-pavlovitz-be-a-superhero-1017-story.html

[ironglows]

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  Let's look at an excerpt from that article;

    — David Weissman (@davidmweissman) July 4, 2021
Digimentors founder Sree Sreenivasan wrote: "The full-page ad by @HobbyLobby is an attack on freedom of religion & the rights of religious minorities," while author and pastor John Pavolvitz tweeted: "I've served as a pastor for over two decades.

"Organizations like@HobbyLobby are why so many people believe all Christians are hateful, intolerant bigots. The rest of us apologize for them."

I’ve served as a pastor for over two decades.

Organizations like @HobbyLobby are why so many people believe all Christians are hateful, intolerant bigots.

The rest of us apologize for them.

  What a pile of BS!  In what way is suggesting that somebody vote for a given idea an attack upon freedom?


  Then we have a "pastor" named John Pavolvitz telling us it is wrong for a Christian to endorse a Christian !

    Meet John Pavolvitz;  who preaches against voting for Pres trump !;

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/heidi-stevens/ct-life-stevens-john-pavlovitz-be-a-superhero-1017-story.html

[ironglows]

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   May as well meet Sree Sreenivasan.  He's the other guy who complained about Hobby Lobby endorsing Christian values.
  He not only worked for the NY City mayor, but also contributes to a newspaper called "India west"..

  I suspect he is not necessarily a completely unencumbered voice !  I sure wouldn't want to join those two in their condemnation of Hobby Lobby !

  https://www.indiawest.com/news/global_indian/sree-sreenivasan-leaves-post-as-chief-digital-officer-in-new-york-mayor-s-administration/article_d26a0c20-5229-11e7-9876-d7555873f019.html

[NWBear]

Against the Constitution to "establish a religion".  Under God is OK, since most religions believe in a God, but you can't make ONE religion the "national" standard.

   I don't see where a private entity suggesting that we vote some way, is ESTABLISHING any religion.  They aren't ESTABLISHING anything, by offering suggestions.

  That us after all, a statement by an individual, who happens to head a privately owned concern, is his freedom of speech to be curbed?

     ..That suggestion sounds awfully radical leftist to me!    

  Frankly, I believe any of us can shout from our soapbox.."vote for Christains" .... or conversely "don't vote for Christians".

  Seems like that is the essence of our constitution..

You might want to review my post #6, to quote:
"Hobby Lobby did not do anything "wrong", this is a free country you can "propose" anything you want. I could "propose" we make treason not a crime... However it would be unconstitutional so not realistic without an amendment to the constitution.
I simply pointed out that making "Christianity" the national religion or giving it special status would violate the Constitution. ... "

[Mule 11]

Treason and violating the Constitution seem to be fine with you and your ilk...

[powderman]

If we were to pick a religion to base our religion and beliefs on, which we ALREADY HAVE, what should it be?  Hindus, buddists, islam, or and of the other godless cults, what would you think GOD would choose?? WELL DUUUUHH, he already did. OUR nation was founded on CHRISTIAN laws and principles.
GOOD for Hobby Lobby, Chic Fil A and all the other Christian run businesses in our great Nation. Most, if not all Retail stores open on Sunday do so because of GREED, I am NOT talking about essential businesses. A REAL Cristian run govt would NOT tolerate slaughtering babies for profit. NOR would it approve of or tolerate pervert marriage. OR most of the other things democrats do, they are NOT CHRISTIANS, nor can they be as long as the support sin. CHARLIE. 

[ironglows]

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  Our land and republic was fought for, won by, founded and constructed by Christians.  It has worked very well for well over 200 years.

  Now, a mix of pagan/atheists have risen up and have been working to destroy the most free nation ever known.

    So much of the population is now distracted by everything from games, drugs, and various distractions, that they don't even see our freedom slipping away..to a dedicated ungodly, communist combination.

  Again...the Tytler cycle is alive and well..  We are about to re-enter the BONDAGE phase..