Vaccine Mandates

[Buckskin]

Every day there are more companies that are mandating these jabs.  Two large hospitals in my area are mandating the COVID vaccine as well as anyone who does work for the hospital, such as contractors, etc.  It will be very interesting to see how this goes.  My wife knows of two people a nurse and an administrator who are giving their notice tomorrow. And one other who has worked as a PT for 22 years at the same hospital, she is going to refuse getting it and make them fire her.  Hospitals are tight on staffing now and it's going to get worse. Those that haven't got the jab yet, especially those that work in a hospital are firmly against getting the shot so I don't see this going well.  Either they will lose a lot of employees or they will have to be very lax on allowing exemptions.

I also know several contractors who do work at hospitals and they say they are short on workers the way it is now and likely will not be able to get their crews vaccinated.

[gene_225]

their tough luck

[Mule 11]

Just lower the standards and accept whatever help ya can get. Your tough luck...

[Matt]

We are safe from it here in Alabama for now, Law on the books since May says it can not be required to work, travel or shop. 

[Buckskin]

Dane County in Wisconsin is instituting vaccine mandates for all county and city workers.  Same county with 70% vaccinated and highest number of new cases in the state,,,, go figure...

[mcbammer]

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Workers should organize and see attorneys. Legal advice is available at nojabforme.info.  Crazy Joe and Flim Flam Fauci are loosing the narrative. By the CDC's own data the gene mutation jabs are a failure and making things worse. Dr. Malone (mRNA vax inventor) says the breakthru/failures indicate ADE (antibody disease enhancement) is starting- - things could go south really soon. People are finally catching on about the phoney PCR testing. It's so bad people are loosing confidence in the entire medical-pharma complex. People that enforce or give these fake jabs can be held responsible for crimes according to the Nuremberg Codes, and penalties are stiff. More and more nurses are refusing to give these experimental jabs
And this...
[/quote]  Trump  should back off taking credit for the jabs  let Joe take  the blame when , like you say things could go south in a hurry .

[wtxbadger]

Some will comply and others won't depending on their financial situation or convictions being told to get vaccinated or quit or be fired. It's going to get real interesting on how individuals and unions react as more companies try to tell their employees they have no choice.

[Lloyd Smale]

surprising that queen whitmer hasnt imposed restriction here in MI. She usually is one of the leaders of that crap. I think its getting to close to election time and with all shes done she is just going to hide until the election is over and shes secure again then go back to her throne. I got my shot and am sure not against the vaccine but im also an american and believe the constitution gives us the freedom to decide what we do to our own bodies. It also should give businesses the right to do what they want. If they want you to be vaccinated or to wear a mask in there establishment then they should be able to and if you dont like it go somewhere else. They should also be able to do just the opposite and if your a paranoid liberal then go somewhere else. Kids?? THAT IS THE PARENTS CHOICE not the school or the government. I figure it like this. Teachers had over a year off WITH PAY! They owe us that year. If they want to seperate the kids then teach double shifts. One to the kids with vaccines and masks and another to the ones the parents dont believe in this crap. When theyve made up for the free year they got paid for THEN let them bitch.

[Lloyd Smale]

Say Lloyd, what about this ~

I agree totaly with that. Only stipulation i make is if its a privately owned business they should have the right to choose what goes on in THERE HOUSE. Heck in michigan for my entire life they could refuse to let you in a store or restaurant even if you didnt have a shirt or shoes on. Its not taking away any of your rights. You can go to a buisness that supports your stand. I dont fly so i could give a crap what airlines do. I dont go on cruises so i could give a rip about them. Only resteraunts i go to are drive through's, I havent been in a walmart store in over 5 years so who cares. I can shop on line. I can shop local and if i had to do walmart my sister places an order on line and they deliver it to her car outside. There only cutting there own throats with this nonsense. My guess is it wont last long before the stock holders say enough. McDonalds and the other fast food places are doing it because they dont have enough employees to man the window and inside and would rather have you use the drive thorugh. Most of them up here have been closed to inside sales for well over a year. I dont have on bit of problem with you not getting vaccinated. thats your business and id stand nest to you without a mask with no reservations.

[Lloyd Smale]

im not arguing with you. I support your right to do what you feel is right. Its your body.

[gene_225]

HE DIDN'T DISSAGREE!!!

[orerancher]

Oh Lloyd, I know you're not starting an argument.
All I'm saying is it's pretty bad when shopkeepers, businesses and local governments force and coerce people to take unproven experimental toxic concoctions based on fake propaganda; essentially doing the bidding of Supreme Socialist Leader Biden and his communist fascist elitists. I don't even think it's that bad in North Korea. Might as well call the jabs  communist  vaccines for good comrades.

^^^100%^^^

[Lloyd Smale]

well ill add this as a last thought. A few weeks ago there was an argument over if a guy should carry a gun in a business that didnt want guns inside. A couple said it was the store owners right to do what he wanted in his business. I disagreed because my right to bare arms is in the constitution. So important that it was the second thing they addressed. Some of the same people will now try to say that a store owner doesnt have the right to ban someone because there afraid for there health. The right to go into a store unvaccinated is not in the constitution unless you twist words like our resident bible scholars. It is covered under state law. Is it right. NOPE not in my opinion but im only one voter that votes to elect those people who make those laws. So what can you do. Obviously complaining here gets you nothing. I already take it for granted that you didnt vote for these bozos running the country so thats already done. Maybe protest out in front of those stores, write your senetor and congressman, boycott them. I live in the communist state of michigan. We have LOTS of dumb laws i dont beleive are right. But i dont want to go to jail just to prove i hate them. So to me about your only power is your wallet. If everyone that thought like us would not spend a penny in places like walmart that support this insanity and the stock holders took it in the shorts things will change because bottom line is we all know walmart, the airlines, McDonalds ect dont give a crap about your health. There doing this for political power. Favors in the future from biden. But when profits tumble and stocks fall they WILL tell biden to go pack it.

[oldandslow]

Lloyd, does your Walmart tell you have to have the experimental vaccine that isn't a vaccine to enter their store? Mine doesn't plus they don't require an mask and have no signs about not carrying a gun. I am just curious as we live far apart. Even our pigmy dictator has not issued any new dictates about masks or vaccine although the state is now paying people $100 to get the vaccine. She was one of the worst last year and right up there with your tyrant but seems to have slacked off although she is still bragging about how safe her draconian rules kept us last year although numbers have proved that we have had a much larger number of cased based on percentages than next door Texas which was much more open. Of course there are extenuating circumstance why we did according to her and her minions. Just more made up BS like like most of what she spouts.

[Lloyd Smale]

honestly old and slow i have no clue. I havent been in a walmart in MANY years. Sadly my wife does. At least i got her to grocery shop at a local grocery store. I saw on the news that walmart and mcdonalds are on board with these vaccine mandates. Dont know if theyve done it or not. Like i said. Ive had my shots but that said i wouldnt myself support a business that MAKES people who dont believe in it show proof before they step through the door. That is just a tiny step away from a nazi regime that requires you to have papers. I look at it this way. I may not think the next vaccine down the line is as safe and i wont my RIGHT TO CHOOSE!! I also WILL NOT SUPPORT a business that wont let me carry in there establishment. Like i said the constitution gives me that RIGHT and some ceo isnt taking it away. If i do have to enter an establishment that bans carry i will be more apt to carry then going into one that allows it. Criminals arent all stupid teenagers. They know and pick the places they can get away with there violence. I give you credit. Your a braver many then me to pass on the vaccine especially where you live or in TX where biden might as well be sending petri dishes of virus germs from town to town. This to me absolutely proves its much more of a political thing then a medical one. 

[oldandslow]

When I have to show proof to a store to enter is when I turn around and leave. My medical history is mine an mine alone and the law supports that. Sometimes my wife just has to go to Walmart and I tag along to to do the reaching and lifting for her. At least I have scored some 22 LR ammo for the grand girls and I to shoot up on the last two trips. The infilteration from south of the border seems to be missing us, probably since it is a far piece to our southern border from here. Truthfully I am reluctant to to have something that was rushed to market, is entirely new tech, and has no long term study of side effects injected into me. Reports from other countries seem to make it as bad or more so than the disease. There is also the fact that my wife and I have probably already had the bug.

[Win94ae]

I don't care what they say, I'm not afraid of the flu.

[Mule 11]

What is ade?
I am afraid of  any flu butt doesn’t mean I’m willing to grab my ankles or surrender my life or my kids lives and certainly won’t be forced to take a jab of unspecified materials when ghouls are pushing it for nefarious reasons.

[Davyboy]

Watch your TV. All of the drug adverts MUST disclose side effects in the ads.  (A pharmacist told me this).  The politicians seem to be above this requirement. As do all of the BS filled MSM talking heads.

[Lloyd Smale]

well one things for sure. You can do an internet search and find stats that back a persons opinion no matter what it is. I think probably 95 percent of the doctors in the world are pro vax. Add to that the stat your overlooking is death rates are miniscule with vaccinated people. Even the ones that get this new strain. This isnt about im right or your right. Its about our freedom of choice. If you dont want a vac then i support your right to do as you please. I wont even complain that maybe your more likely to have it then someone who didnt. If im conserned then its ME that should wear a mask. On the other side i chose to get vaccinated and that was my choice. I know that after the vax came out death rates went to about zero for people who did. can you remember the truck loads of bodys outside hospitals??  Does the vax work? Id say absolutely. Will it harm someone 20 years ago? I dont know. Im not a doctor and dont play one on tv. When it comes to medical advice i listen to my doctor whos a friend and wouldnt steer me wrong. I dont listen to others on the internet that scream conspiracy theory or get there advice from a pastor that never attended one day of med school. To me its like asking a plumber to wire your house or asking a school teacher to wire your house.

Yup you found some stats. But id bet its either on some religious site or so conspiracy site. You are SURE welcom to believe them. Your welcome to get medical advice from your pastor too. Or try to pray away cancer. Me? Im going to the doctors and listening to what he advises. Will i die anyway? Probably but maybe ill be around for 5 more years. Will this vax cause me to be sterile?  That bird flew 20 years ago. Will it cause harm 20 years from now. For that answer youll most likely have to dig me up and have the pathologist answer that for you. I wont go and do an internet search and find stats that fly in the face of yours. that would just start a pissing match and honestly i could really care less if you believe in it or not. Like i said my only line in the sand is when they force people to get one. That should NEVER happen in a democracy.

 Do i think a holocaust is coming because of this vaccine. Just about as much as i believe the sky is falling. If God wants to smite man all he has to do is wave his hand and we all disappear. This virus came from china not God and its man who will have to stop it. ME? Ill pray to God to guide the doctors to find the best possible vax and cure. Bottom line is today in this country were in MUCH more danger from socialism and the present administration then we are the virus or the vax. That is what ill spend my time worrying about. So on forced vaccines we will agree. On the effectiveness and dangers of the vax we will just have to agree to disagree and do it as free Americans. 

Lloyd...
I appreciate your input with this thread's 'thought experiment'. But right now in Israel, Massachusetts, Illinois, New Jersey, etc so-called breakthru infected cases of vaxxed exceed those of unvaxxed, and many of these vaxxed cases are quite sick. CDC is now saying vaxxed people can spread the disease, and must mask up.... So if you get more cases and sick cases with vaccinations, can spread this Fauci Flu and must mask up, and there's tens of thousands of vaxxed killed and injured by these serums _ _ then in God's holy name-- WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THESE SO-CALLED VACCINES?  So much for safety for a flu 99.6% of people normally recover, especially with available therapeutics (which the Covid commies tried to hide). While the Covid Communist are producing a vax apartheid state with dumb help of shop owners and corps. It's worse than North Korea or Germany in 1933.

All the analogies comparing shirts, shoes, concealed carry, etc do not compare to forcing, coercing, wrangling people to take gene changing toxic concoctions for a phantom flu never proven to exist. When ADE kicks in , we may see a holocaust like the world has never seen because of these criminal vaccines. One estimate out England projects 2.8 Billion people are about to die soon.
Then there's this ~~~

[guzzijohn]

I am glad that your and mine parents didn't the same attitudes toward the polio vaccine. It had it's share of problems on rollout but almost all accepted that the vaccine risks were far less than the polio risk. All 50 states mandated the taking of the vaccine. Many of you talk about how great the 50s were, well maybe we need to go there again.
GuzziJohn

[gene_225]

I am glad that your and mine parents didn't the same attitudes toward the polio vaccine. It had it's share of problems on rollout but almost all accepted that the vaccine risks were far less than the polio risk. All 50 stated mandated the taking of the vaccine. Many of you talk about how great the 50s were, well maybe we need to go there again.
GuzziJohn

Isn't that the truth. I remember the fear that parents had and the hope when we were vaccinated. Course that was all fake news. There wasn't really a problem, was there? Except that I have met some of those who still suffer the after effects of having had polio. I seriously doubt they would agree.

Maybe we just need to let things run their course for those who want to take the chance. Could help thin the herd. And if the antis are right, the vaccine will thin the herd. So the human race wins either way. Right?

[Buckskin]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/doctor-who-did-early-research-on-covid-vaccine-this-is-not-a-pandemic-of-the-unvaccinated/vi-AAMZJjf?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

Aside from all the potential issues TM7 put forth, as it turns out the vaccinated have become the vectors of new strains of COVID and anyone with any type of basic biology knowledge should be able to figure this out.  As the doctor states in this video, when you have a non-lethal (to the virus) narrowly focused (targets single proteins) treatment you have the the recipe to encourage the evolving of new strains to get around the treatment.  Unlike other vaccines in which the body's antibodies recognizes the virus and stops it in it's tracks, these mRNA treatments at best (and for now) reduces symptoms and allows the virus to live, mutate and spread freely.

[Lloyd Smale]

have to agree with guzzi and you know thats hard for me. There would be alot more dead and cripled people without the small pox and polio vaccines and probably many more at least elderly that would die from the flu each year without the yearly flu vaccine. Ive had them all and havent seen any extra fingers or toes growing. My dad and ma have too and hes 90 and she 88 and he still drives and still hunts. Again I sure dont agree with madatory vaccines i any way. That should be up to the individual or the parent of a minor.

I am glad that your and mine parents didn't the same attitudes toward the polio vaccine. It had it's share of problems on rollout but almost all accepted that the vaccine risks were far less than the polio risk. All 50 states mandated the taking of the vaccine. Many of you talk about how great the 50s were, well maybe we need to go there again.
GuzziJohn

[Lloyd Smale]

yup it took longer to get us a polio vaccine and a small pox vax but look at the technology back then. Id about bet with there level of ability to test to insure safety that we today could do what they did in years in weeks. As to it being a communist plot then you dont trust the republicans or president trump either. They all support people getting the vax as like i said about 95 percent of the real doctors that arent looking for there 5 minutes of fame making unfounded accusations and trying to predict what will happen in 10 years when in fact nobody knows. Ill just say this. Before the vax we had truck loads of bodys piled up from deaths from this virus. Id bet everyone here knows someone who died from it. Today deaths are such a minute percentage that it isnt even worth arguing. Fact is the vax has worked. Is it perfect? I dont know im not a doctor. But it sure has saved lives. I guess i fail to realize why youd bother pushing this. Nobody is making you get the vax. Its your choice, at least for now. Kind of reminds me of the idiots that refuse medical aid for cancer diabetes heart problems ect. People that claim its against God or some nonsense. Sure one in a million might have a miricle and pray it away but im sure as hell not betting my life on it. Every medical advance that man has ever had was guided by the hand of God as are ALL things. I know one thing thats an absolute fact. Im going to take the advice from a doctor WAY before a redneck like me on an internet forum. maybe someday ill have to eat my words but so far the covid vax is a no brainer. It sure as hell isnt a commy plot. If it was it would be front and center in the battle for 2024. Thats my last word on this. As long as your not being forced its a personal decision not an issue of contention. If that changes i will be right next to you fighting. 

I am glad that your and mine parents didn't the same attitudes toward the polio vaccine. It had it's share of problems on rollout but almost all accepted that the vaccine risks were far less than the polio risk. All 50 states mandated the taking of the vaccine. Many of you talk about how great the 50s were, well maybe we need to go there again.
GuzziJohn

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Was the polio vaccine patented as a genetic transfection therapy?
Did it take years to develop and pass animal testing?
Did it kill and maime tens of thousands of people?
Did it reprogram your body to make toxic spike proteins?
Did it produce dangerous ADE?
Did it have 90% breakthru cases?
Were vax corps given blanket liabilities exoneration?

Interesting to note Israel is having total Pfizer vax failure, and many victims ending up in hospitals.
But Pfizer CEO was denied entry into Israel b/c he wasn't vaccinated? Imagine that.....

[Buckskin]

I don't even know anyone who had a severe case of COVID, much less died from it.  Polio and small pox was a far great risk to the population than COVID.  In my age bracket 99.7% survive COVID, overall since the start of this thing when they had no idea how to treat it and includes those with comorbidities, of which I have none.... So my risk of COVID is essentially zero.  Now if I had cancer or a other dire health issue i would be up to try just about anything if there wasn't a known cure or treatment.  COVID does not fall into that category, so no point in trying an unproven experimental technology just to appease the government.

[guzzijohn]

From Buckskin:

I don't even know anyone who had a severe case of COVID, much less died from it.

I live in central KS and we have had deaths here. I graduated in 1973 from high school and five of my classmates have died and others have lost a parent or other relative from Covid. I lost a cousin a few years back due to getting two strains of the flu at the same time. The only flu loss I have known. This Covid 19 thing is much more dangerous.
GuzziJohn

[Buckskin]

If you have certain comorbidities and above a certain age, yes seems to target those.  For the vast majority of the population it is survivable to say the least...

[mcbammer]

    Taking a one size fits all vaccine is like Russian Roulette . its going to affect every  person  differently . Some  have no reactions some die on the spot ,its just the luck of the draw .

[Casull]

    Taking a one size fits all vaccine is like Russian Roulette . its going to affect every  person  differently . Some  have no reactions some die on the spot ,its just the luck of the draw .

All vaccines are one size fits all.