60% of adults do NOT believe that JESUS is the only way to Heaven, believe in bu

[Dee]

In as much as its been 390 years since the Puritans came to America, and 400 years since the Separatists before them. I doubt it matters much now.

It matters as a part of the past, and how, or what roads based on opinions brought us to a still fragmenting state of Christianity  we are in , with some sects abandoning the Holy Dogma while, in my opinion, taking God's name in vain.

As was said: Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to relive it; or as said in the Bible, nothing is new under the Sun.

Not everyone is forgetting what once was. But adding man's "dogma" has been going on for centuries, and some have problems telling which is which.
If it's in the Bible, I believe it. If it ain't, I don't. And, I don't question the Bible.

There's nothing complicated about Salvation. But some religions, denominations, and organizations make it about themselves.

[locust]

https://www.christianpost.com/news/60-of-young-adults-say-jesus-isnt-the-only-way-to-salvation.html

60% of adults under 40 say Jesus isn’t only way to salvation; equal to Buddha, Muhammad
Survey shows pluralistic worldview expanding rapidly among American Christians
By Anugrah Kumar, Christian Post Contributor| Sunday, August 22, 2021
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More than 60% of born again Christians in America between the ages of 18 and 39 believe that Buddha, Muhammad and Jesus are all valid paths to salvation and over 30% say they either believe that Jesus sinned just like other people when He lived on Earth or aren’t sure, according to a new study.

There’s a “striking decline” in evangelical religious beliefs and practices over the last 10 years, as the number of self-proclaimed believers to hold these beliefs has increased by nearly 25%, says Probe Ministries in a statement announcing the results of its Religious Views & Practices Survey.

The study, which interviewed 3,100 Americans ages 18 to 55 in 2020 and looked at various other previous studies, saw a drop in “basic biblical worldview” — God’s attributes, the accuracy of the Bible, salvation and Jesus being sinless — from 47% in 2010 to 25% in 2020 among born again Christians.

The drop in the “expanded biblical worldview” — beliefs about Satan and morals being objective — went from 32% in 2010 to 16% in 2020.

“So, the percentage of Born Again Christians with a biblical worldview (of either type) has been cut in half over the last decade,” says the study, which compared the 18–29 age group from 2010 with the same age group 10 years later, now 30–39. “This result is a startling degradation in worldview beliefs of Born Again Christians over just 10 years.”

This means, even born-again Christians “can have a false view of Jesus Christ and embrace a pluralistic worldview,” Kerby Anderson, president of Probe Ministries, said. “Pastors and church leaders just can’t assume any longer that the members of their church or Christian organization have a biblical worldview.”

There’s an even greater drop off among the general population, the study found. For the basic biblical worldview, there’s a drop off from 13% to 6%. For the expanded biblical worldview, the decline is from 9% to just over 3%.

Anderson attributed the change to the continual and growing influence of media.

“These disturbing trends are, yes, due to pastors not consistently teaching biblical theory. But they can also be attributed to young Christians who are not paying attention, who are focused — nearly exclusively, it seems — on their phones, social media and other content they deem more compelling,” he said.


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The study suggests, Anderson said, that “we have to continue to explain the cost of salvation ... that there is no way to salvation, other than through the sacrificial and atoning death of a sinless Christ. That no one can come to the Father except through the Son, but also that anyone may come through Him.”

An article about the study’s findings on the Probe Ministries website notes that in the Roman Empire in AD 60, biblical worldview Christians accounted for less than 1% of the population. “Three hundred years later, virtually the entire empire was at least nominally Christian.”

“If we will commit ourselves to ‘proclaiming the excellencies of Him who called us out of darkness into His marvelous light,’ God will bring revival to our land,” it adds.

in MHO you have made something of a error. in your title you speak of going to heaven . yet in your opening line you speak of salvation .john 3:16 talks of ever lasting life . never dyeing would be the answer to what salvation is. it is what Jesus did speak of.

[Dee]

Well you certainly understand John Chapter 3 verse 16.
But, as it goes: born once, die twice.  Born twice, die once.

[locust]

ever lasting life = never dyeing at all. for the most part there are far more dead [use discernment] waiting for a resurrection then will ever never die at all .of those that do get a resurrection many of them will die a second time all because they will refuse to acknowledge and fallow the directives of  Jesus .which BTY brings us back to John 3:16

[Dee]

Agreed, but if they died without Christ that first death, they WILL die that second death.

[ironglow]

ever lasting life = never dyeing at all. for the most part there are far more dead [use discernment] waiting for a resurrection then will ever never die at all .of those that do get a resurrection many of them will die a second time all because they will refuse to acknowledge and fallow the directives of  Jesus .which BTY brings us back to John 3:16

      the Chosen..never dying, and certainly the idea of a general resurrection, are all JW teachings, how did you come upon that idea ?

     The JWs are smitten with "resurrection".  Regular Christian teaching says Jesus was resurrected... When Jesus comes back for us, Christians will be "changed in the twinkling of an eye'..given a glorified body.

  Let's take a look at some JW teachings..from their own pubs:

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/jehovah-witness-beliefs/  Notice items #6 and #7

   All hung up about resurrection   https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-teach/hope-resurrection-of-dead-loved-ones/

  Now, I am not talking about you locust..but about the JWs.

   ..But here's your chance to prove Dee correct, by denying the JWs... and thereby collecting my apology..   

      I'll wait.......

     

[locust]

have you not read and studied the bible ? gee did the JW invent the resurrection or was it all ready in the bible . read your bible study the bible .wow you are so hungup on what you ''want to believe '' that you have failed to see what is written   

[ironglow]

have you not read and studied the bible ? gee did the JW invent the resurrection or was it all ready in the bible . read your bible study the bible .wow you are so hungup on what you ''want to believe '' that you have failed to see what is written

   I think you have answered my question...by NOT answering it !   

[locust]

Agreed, but if they died without Christ that first death, they WILL die that second death.

the first death is just that, it happens to every one . at this point in time all die. face it ,its unavoidable at this point in time . now lets jump ahead in time to the time that Jesus takes over . scripture reveals there will come a time that there will be no need to fear of animals that now would kill .
the thought that ,as you said "they WILL die that second death'' is not true . resurrecting some one just to turn around a kill them is hardly the plan . people do get to choose ,will they then fallow the directives of Jesus or go against him?? if not, the judgment for them is death .called the second death .

[Dee]

Well, this last post of yours certainly takes you outta the JW category, but I would say that you absolutely do not understand scripture as well as you think you do, or that your listening to some religious harlot. or that your looking in the  wrong book, what ever that might  be.

There is a stark difference in the Bema Seat of Christ,  and The White Throne  of Judgement.
And there is no mixing of the two.

As I said: You are either born once, and die twice, Or your born twice, die once.

Die that 1st death without Christ, and you'll stand before The White Throne of Judgement. And the discussion will be how hot the fire will be.

[ironglow]

Agreed, but if they died without Christ that first death, they WILL die that second death.

the first death is just that, it happens to every one . at this point in time all die. face it ,its unavoidable at this point in time . now lets jump ahead in time to the time that Jesus takes over . scripture reveals there will come a time that there will be no need to fear of animals that now would kill . The JW doctrine of "Heaven on earth"?
the thought that ,as you said "they WILL die that second death'' is not true . resurrecting some one just to turn around a kill them is hardly the plan . JW doctrine seems to say that, when heaven arrives on earth, it drops down over theliving people do get to choose ,will they then fallow the directives of Jesus or go against him?? if not, the judgment for them is death .called the second death .What 'directives" of Jesus?  We have the entire Bible to know what God (Father, Son, Holy spirit) want of us!

  Still very sketchy...  If one has ever engaged JWs, then they already know how evasive they can be, parsing words very carefully.  ....All part of their Wednesday night training.

[ironglow]

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 The question was posed by me in post #65..

        "  Now, I am not talking about you locust..but about the JWs.

   ..But here's your chance to prove Dee correct, by denying the JWs... and thereby collecting my apology..

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  Locust answered;

      have you not read and studied the bible ? gee did the JW invent the resurrection or was it all ready in the bible . read your bible study the bible .wow you are so hungup on what you ''want to believe '' that you have failed to see what is written 
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   No denial...  no answer, ... I think, answers my question.

  Just consider Dee...  If somebody suspected you were a JW... I have very little doubt but what you would inform them very quickly..to the contrary.

  Knowing how the JWs are so adept at dissembling, i have to retain my opinion as valid, until Locust goes ahead and denies it.

   Most people, whether, Christian, Jew, Hindu, Taoist or even a Satanist..would normally be quick to correct a mistaken identity...unless they are trying to 'pull the wool over" someone's eyes


   So here's another chance for Locust to say he doesn't believe in everything the JWs teach.

  Locust, are you a Jehovah's Witness?
   

[Dee]

Agreed, but if they died without Christ that first death, they WILL die that second death.

the first death is just that, it happens to every one . at this point in time all die. face it ,its unavoidable at this point in time . now lets jump ahead in time to the time that Jesus takes over . scripture reveals there will come a time that there will be no need to fear of animals that now would kill . The JW doctrine of "Heaven on earth"?
the thought that ,as you said "they WILL die that second death'' is not true . resurrecting some one just to turn around a kill them is hardly the plan . JW doctrine seems to say that, when heaven arrives on earth, it drops down over theliving people do get to choose ,will they then fallow the directives of Jesus or go against him?? if not, the judgment for them is death .called the second death .What 'directives" of Jesus?  We have the entire Bible to know what God (Father, Son, Holy spirit) want of us!

  Still very sketchy...  If one has ever engaged JWs, then they already know how evasive they can be, parsing words very carefully.  ....All part of their Wednesday night training.

Do you think you're the only guy on the planet that's ever talked to a JEHOVAH Witness?
You've got a one track mind, "your always right".
His post, while I obviously disagree with, doesnt agree with JWs doctrine.
Why don't you take a breath, and let this hash out?
You should be smart enough at your age to know that he isn't gonna answer your question.
I never expected him to answer you, he doesn't owe you an answer.
I'll make my own mind up by what he actually says he believes, right now your guessing.
I'll be either right, or wrong, but I'll be fine either way.
Right now your like a damn parrot with a judges gavel.

[teamnelson]

As it regards Locust, in Matthew 7:6 (NWT) Jesus says, “Do not give what is holy to dogs nor throw your pearls before swine, so that they may never trample them under their feet and turn around and rip you open."

[Dee]

And as it regards EVERYBODY, in Matthew Chapter 7 verse 1 & 2, KJV Judge not,  that ye not be judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

[teamnelson]

And as it regards EVERYBODY, in Matthew Chapter 7 verse 1 & 2, KJV Judge not,  that ye not be judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Indeed, "for with what judgment ye judge" is a key caveat. We should judge between christianity and false religion; we should judge when the deity of christ is denied.

[Dee]

And as it regards EVERYBODY, in Matthew Chapter 7 verse 1 & 2, KJV Judge not,  that ye not be judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Indeed, "for with what judgment ye judge" is a key caveat. We should judge between christianity and false religion; we should judge when the deity of christ is denied.

And we should wait to see if it has been denied by ANY individual. Rather than a rush to the judgment of someone new here that we know almost nothing about.

[locust]

Well, this last post of yours certainly takes you outta the JW category, but I would say that you absolutely do not understand scripture as well as you think you do, or that your listening to some religious harlot. or that your looking in the  wrong book, what ever that might  be.

There is a stark difference in the Bema Seat of Christ,  and The White Throne  of Judgement.
And there is no mixing of the two.

As I said: You are either born once, and die twice, Or your born twice, die once.

Die that 1st death without Christ, and you'll stand before The White Throne of Judgement. And the discussion will be how hot the fire will be.

dyeing that first death with out christ leaves out a great deal of people . so many never had the opportunity to know of him . it was not there fault. resurrect those people ,give them the opportunity to learn and then except or deny him will then get them a judgement .that would be the 2nd death . many now have been told .should they be given a 2nd chance ? 

[Dee]

I didn't make the rules, or write the Bible. You'll have to take that up with God.

[locust]

I didn't make the rules, or write the Bible. You'll have to take that up with God.

one of the rules is the person must be alive to receive a judgment .

[ironglow]

.  From locust;
  "dyeing that first death with out christ leaves out a great deal of people . so many never had the opportunity to know of him . it was not there fault. resurrect those people ,give them the opportunity to learn and then except or deny him will then get them a judgement .that would be the 2nd death . many now have been told .should they be given a 2nd chance ?"
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  This has been discussed so many times here previously, that there is no reason to take it up here and now.

      TN has of course given us some sage advice, but just one more question, please...
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    The Bible has a number of verses, which make it clear that "I and my Father are one".  Orthodox Christianity proclaims that Jesus is not only "the Son of God",,,but also "God the Son" !

   As Jesus once asked Peter.."who do you say I am?" 

     So I ask you..no evasive, "double speak" now, just straight out tell us....

     Who do YOU say Jesus is?

   

[Dee]

I didn't make the rules, or write the Bible. You'll have to take that up with God.

one of the rules is the person must be alive to receive a judgment .

Well, I would say you have to believe God is who He says He is, and scripture to be Gods' Word, to understand that the folks that die in Christ will be resurrected first, (THEY DIE ONCE)
then those that died in sin, will be resurrected to face "eternal judgment". (THEY DIE TWICE)
If you question either of these two principles, your basically lost.
Ephesians Chapter 2 verse 8 For by "FAITH" are ye saved, through faith; and that NOT OF YOURSELVES: it is the gift of God.
Verse 9. Not of works, lest any man should boast.

In other words, its not what you think, its what God says.

John Chapter 5 verse 28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear HIS voice.
Verse 29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, UNTO THE RESURRECTION OF "DAMNATION".
KJV

[locust]

.  From locust;
  "dyeing that first death with out christ leaves out a great deal of people . so many never had the opportunity to know of him . it was not there fault. resurrect those people ,give them the opportunity to learn and then except or deny him will then get them a judgement .that would be the 2nd death . many now have been told .should they be given a 2nd chance ?"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

  This has been discussed so many times here previously, that there is no reason to take it up here and now.

      TN has of course given us some sage advice, but just one more question, please...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The Bible has a number of verses, which make it clear that "I and my Father are one".  Orthodox Christianity proclaims that Jesus is not only "the Son of God",,,but also "God the Son" !

   As Jesus once asked Peter.."who do you say I am?" 

     So I ask you..no evasive, "double speak" now, just straight out tell us....

     Who do YOU say Jesus is?

 

which version of the bible ever said God the son?

[locust]

I didn't make the rules, or write the Bible. You'll have to take that up with God.

one of the rules is the person must be alive to receive a judgment .

Well, I would say you have to believe God is who He says He is, and scripture to be Gods' Word, to understand that the folks that die in Christ will be resurrected first, (THEY DIE ONCE)
then those that died in sin, will be resurrected to face "eternal judgment". (THEY DIE TWICE)
If you question either of these two principles, your basically lost.
By "FAITH" he are saved,

John Chapter 5 verse 28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear HIS voice.
Verse 29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, UNTO THE RESURRECTION OF "DAMNATION".
KJV

is it logical that God is going to give  resurrections just to kill them ?? no not at all . you are actually on the wrong side of the  resurrection event to understand how things will happen . the people that have died have all ready paid the price of their sin. their sin has been forgotten. its what they do after the  resurrection event that will   bring a need of judgement . how long will they live before they are so judged ?? i dont know . perhaps some longer than others.

[Dee]

.  From locust;
  "dyeing that first death with out christ leaves out a great deal of people . so many never had the opportunity to know of him . it was not there fault. resurrect those people ,give them the opportunity to learn and then except or deny him will then get them a judgement .that would be the 2nd death . many now have been told .should they be given a 2nd chance ?"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

  This has been discussed so many times here previously, that there is no reason to take it up here and now.

      TN has of course given us some sage advice, but just one more question, please...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The Bible has a number of verses, which make it clear that "I and my Father are one".  Orthodox Christianity proclaims that Jesus is not only "the Son of God",,,but also "God the Son" !

   As Jesus once asked Peter.."who do you say I am?" 

     So I ask you..no evasive, "double speak" now, just straight out tell us....

     Who do YOU say Jesus is?

 

which version of the bible ever said God the son?

LOL, I think you already know, "God the Son" is NOT in any Christian version of the Bible. 

[locust]

if they dont sin there is no reason for judgement , they live on and on

[Dee]

I didn't make the rules, or write the Bible. You'll have to take that up with God.

one of the rules is the person must be alive to receive a judgment .

Well, I would say you have to believe God is who He says He is, and scripture to be Gods' Word, to understand that the folks that die in Christ will be resurrected first, (THEY DIE ONCE)
then those that died in sin, will be resurrected to face "eternal judgment". (THEY DIE TWICE)
If you question either of these two principles, your basically lost.
By "FAITH" he are saved,

John Chapter 5 verse 28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear HIS voice.
Verse 29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, UNTO THE RESURRECTION OF "DAMNATION".
KJV

is it logical that God is going to give  resurrections just to kill them ?? no not at all . you are actually on the wrong side of the  resurrection event to understand how things will happen . the people that have died have all ready paid the price of their sin. their sin has been forgotten. its what they do after the  resurrection event that will   bring a need of judgement . how long will they live before they are so judged ?? i dont know . perhaps some longer than others.

LOL, got scripture to backup what you just said?

[Dee]

if they dont sin there is no reason for judgement , they live on and on

LOL, I think you've got you, or someone else, has you pretty mixed up.

[locust]

if they dont sin there is no reason for judgement , they live on and on

LOL, I think you've got you, or someone else, has you pretty mixed up.

no sin ,no judgement . its just that simple

[Dee]

if they dont sin there is no reason for judgement , they live on and on

LOL, I think you've got you, or someone else, has you pretty mixed up.

no sin ,no judgement . its just that simple

LOL, I've spent a lot of time over the years studying, and listening to the right folks, and some real squirrels, and I'll say I've heard similar arguments as yours from individuals.
What I've learned is, I don't argue, and I don't debate the Bible.
I've given you enough information in just those scriptures I quoted to keep you busy for weeks looking up supporting scriptures. There are no opposing ones.

I know what I believe, why I believe it, and where to find it.
You haven't got anything in your war chest that'll change my mind.
I won't label you anything, I'll just say you're confused, and don't know it.
Later dude.