Author Topic: .25 ACP for the Encore / Omega (Read 1315 times)

RandyWakeman · « **on:** March 08, 2004, 06:49:46 AM »

http://www.prbullet.com/hornet.htm

Rummer · « **Reply #1 on:** March 08, 2004, 06:55:37 AM »

Which Style of Encore/Omega Breech Plug is Cecil selling?

John

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #2 on:** March 08, 2004, 07:31:23 AM »

The .25 ACP, now. Just scroll to the bottom of the page.

wpayne · « **Reply #3 on:** March 08, 2004, 09:28:18 AM »

Has anyone (other than Cecil) tried this?? I haven't gotten any serious range time with my Omega yet but I'm questioning the value of this. Weren't the .410 primers supposed to have basically the same effect?

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #4 on:** March 08, 2004, 11:38:46 AM »

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #5 on:** March 08, 2004, 11:40:58 AM »

Quote from: wpayne

Has anyone (other than Cecil) tried this??

Sure, he's got more testimonials than he knows what to do with. Like anything else, you really need to see where you are at, first. If you have no problem, there isn't much point in trying to fix it. The bigger benefit is cleaning up the Encore action-- and the .25 ACP removes the need for trimmed brass.

wpayne · « **Reply #6 on:** March 08, 2004, 04:02:40 PM »

I guess I was only looking at it as an accuracy aiding mod, I guess I could see the benefit of less/easier cleaning. With my volume of shooting it may not be worth the $$, but to each their own I guess.

We used to have a saying in the Army, "If it ain't broke, fix it till it is." I try to keep that mentality away from my gun cabinet. That being said, if I hit a plateau in accuracy with my muzzleloader I may well being sending him my $60....

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #7 on:** March 08, 2004, 04:33:10 PM »

I've got one here-- have not had the chance to test it yet in the Encore.

Oldsnow · « **Reply #8 on:** March 08, 2004, 05:23:46 PM »

I can do this with my Omega and Encore useing two 50gr. Pyrodex pellets, a 250gr. Hornady SST and a Remington 290-4 primer. This is a lot better then paying $80. for a .25 ACP conversion, plus the time and cost to reload the .25 ACP cases. I buy a box of 100 Remington 209-4 primers for $3.00 and get the same results. I don't care how clean the .25ACP conversion is you still have to clean that rifle at the end of the day.

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #9 on:** March 09, 2004, 03:10:32 AM »

Quote from: Oldsnow

I can do this with my Omega and Encore useing two 50gr. Pyrodex pellets, a 250gr. Hornady SST and a Remington 290-4 primer. This is a lot better then paying $80. for a .25 ACP conversion, plus the time and cost to reload the .25 ACP cases. I buy a box of 100 Remington 209-4 primers for $3.00 and get the same results. I don't care how clean the .25ACP conversion is you still have to clean that rifle at the end of the day.

The cost is $59, small bore rifle primers are a bit cheaper than 209's and much easier to find than 209-4's, repriming .25 ACP cases takes a couple of minutes to do 100, and if cost is really an issue-- you sure wouldn't be shooting pellets at all.

It is anybody's choice, the more choices the merrier.

Oldsnow · « **Reply #10 on:** March 09, 2004, 04:30:50 AM »

We now have brand new T/C Encore / Omega breach plugs converted for the .22 Hornet ready to ship. The price is $79.95 including 12 Hornet cases and shipping by AIRMAIL. Order today and have it shipped today. Lots of time for this hunting season.

Wakeman you should read an advertisement before you post on it. The above is from Epp's web site, also there is nothing in it about a .25 ACP conversion.
Any good reloading store worth it salt can get Remington 209-4 primers if they want to.

Wolfhound · « **Reply #11 on:** March 09, 2004, 04:38:32 AM »

Read all the way to the bottom. :wink:

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Nothing irritates me more than buying something one day only to find an improvement to it show up before I have the box open. If you are one of our customers saying "if only I had of known, I would have waited for the .25 ACP breach plug", we have an offer for you.

Our .25 ACP breach plug sells for $ 59.95 with 12 .25 ACP brass. If you have supported us by buying one of our .22 Hornet breach plugs and now order the .25 ACP breach plug, you will pay $29.95. The first run are here, packaged and ready for shipment. Remember our 1/2 price special only applies to customers who have the 22 Hornet breach plug and want the .25 ACP breach plug. This offer will expire June 30th, 2004.

.25 ACP T/C Omega & Encore now available:

Nothing to trim. Nothing to fit. $ 59.95 includes 12 .25 ACP unprimed brass and shipping by UPS.

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #12 on:** March 09, 2004, 04:40:16 AM »

Oldsnow, please refresh your browser before you start carping. The full, current text is as follows:

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Originally our Hornet conversion was embraced mostly by muzzleloader shooters who were also reloaders. As our market increased, more and more of our Hornet customers lacked the knowledge or tools or both to shorten the Hornet brass once they had needed more.

If only we could find a cartridge that could be used full length and was readily available. I began pouring over chamber specs and reloading manuals to see if such a case existed. Enter the .25 ACP or the .25 Auto. Rimless rather than rimmed. .615" rather than .660". This might work.

My first step was to contact the good folks at Winchester to determine the strength of the .25 ACP case. I explained the process and they assured me that the case strength was many times the strength required to do the job. My next call was to CCI for primer strength data. CCI tech people confirmed my suspicions that Small Pistol primers contained about 10% less fire than the CCI 400 small rifle primers.
I then called the boys at Lock, Stock and Barrel in Valentine, NEBRASKA for the unprimed .25 ACP brass and a Lee shell holder for our Lee Auto Prime tool. While UPS was carrying my brass and shell holder across the United States, I was busy making the first .25 ACP breach plug. The final fitting would be completed when I had the brass in my hand.

The .25 ACP breach plug works great. The same guns shoot to the same spot with the same group size as they do with the .22 Hornet breach plug. The brass stay clean, extract with your fingers and also seem to possess unlimited life. The added bonus is they do not require any trimming. Just pop in a primer and insert them into the breach plug. If you want more, you can buy them by the bag of 100 for about $ 6.00 or .06 each.

22 Hornet breach plug owners:

Nothing irritates me more than buying something one day only to find an improvement to it show up before I have the box open. If you are one of our customers saying "if only I had of known, I would have waited for the .25 ACP breach plug", we have an offer for you.

Our .25 ACP breach plug sells for $ 59.95 with 12 .25 ACP brass. If you have supported us by buying one of our .22 Hornet breach plugs and now order the .25 ACP breach plug, you will pay $29.95. The first run are here, packaged and ready for shipment. Remember our 1/2 price special only applies to customers who have the 22 Hornet breach plug and want the .25 ACP breach plug. This offer will expire June 30th, 2004.

.25 ACP T/C Omega & Encore now available:

Nothing to trim. Nothing to fit. $ 59.95 includes 12 .25 ACP unprimed brass and shipping by UPS.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 09, 2004, 05:07:09 AM »

RandyWakeman, I have the 22 Hornet one, but I have not got out to shoot it yet. I would like to try the 25 ACP one in my 45 Cal Encore. I e-mailed them to get one.

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #14 on:** March 09, 2004, 05:21:29 AM »

I've got the .25 ACP here-- hope to "Encore test" it next week.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 09, 2004, 06:21:43 AM »

I bought one from a member here that did not like it. I got a hold of Cecil so I could get a 25 ACP plug and he said I need the name of the original buyer in order to get the $29.95 price. If anyone here sold me the breach plug for the 22 Hornet conversion could you please remind me who you were. I have done so many deals on here I can't remember everyone. Thanks :grin:

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 09, 2004, 12:09:37 PM »

I remembered. I got the 25ACP plug on order now. I will have to test both.

Oldsnow · « **Reply #17 on:** March 10, 2004, 04:10:36 AM »

Here is a fast and easy way to clean brass, with Citric Acid.
3 Tablespoons Citric Acid
2 cups water
soak brass 15 minets
Rinse in hot soapy water
Rinse in plain hot water
Dry and reload
This will clean it, not polish it.
Before I spent all the money on Epp's conversion, I tryed Remington 209-4 primers at $3.00 for a box of 100. The 209-4's work great, they are a lot cheeper and you still have to clean your gun at the end of the day.
I shoot over 50 rounds at a time at the range with 209-4's and never had to stop and clean the action of my Encore or Omega.

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #18 on:** March 10, 2004, 04:15:52 AM »

Quote from: Oldsnow

Before I spent all the money on Epp's conversion, I tryed Remington 209-4 primers at $3.00 for a box of 100. The 209-4's work great, they are a lot cheeper and you still have to clean your gun at the end of the day.
I shoot over 50 rounds at a time at the range with 209-4's and never had to stop and clean the action of my Encore or Omega.

There is no migration path to the Omega action, regardless of what you use. Small bore rifle primers are cheaper than 209-4's, and if you are looking to save money-- the Pyrodex pellets you are burning make no sense at all.

Oldsnow · « **Reply #19 on:** March 10, 2004, 04:45:25 AM »

Wakeman I don't like carping, but the Pyrodex pellets work for me and in my neck of yhe woods Pyrodex is cheeper.

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #20 on:** March 10, 2004, 04:51:15 AM »

Quote from: Oldsnow

Wakeman I don't like carping, but the Pyrodex pellets work for me and in my neck of yhe woods Pyrodex is cheeper.

I don't care what you shoot-- Pyrodex pellets are cheaper than Pyro loose powder nowhere on this planet.

A box of Pyrodex pellets is 50, 2 pellet shots. A pound of Pyrodex powder nets you about 105, 100 gr. shots-- for a lot less money; simple as that.

Oldsnow · « **Reply #21 on:** March 10, 2004, 05:55:41 AM »

Sorry about the carping Wakeman, but like you said it is my choise and for the peso Pyrodex pellets shoots the best out of my Encore and Omega.

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #22 on:** March 10, 2004, 06:39:41 AM »

Quote from: Oldsnow

Wakeman you should read an advertisement before you post on it. The above is from Epp's web site, also there is nothing in it about a .25 ACP conversion.

I did-- you did not. There seems to be no purpose to any of your postings on this thread. If you just aren't interested-- then, you just aren't.

If you are brand new to this stuff, I apologize. If not-- then you really should know by now that pellets are far, far more expensive to shoot than loose powder. No news there.

DannoBoone · « **Reply #23 on:** March 11, 2004, 12:09:37 PM »

Quote from: Oldsnow

Any good reloading store worth it salt can get Remington 209-4 primers if they want to.

Well, Oldsnow, I guess no sporting goods store around here is worth their
salt. One "counter person" at Gander Mountain didn't even know such
primers exist. A guy at another store insisted they weren't needed, since
the other primers will work. It looks as though the choice is ordering them
by the thousand or getting Cecil's product. Either way is a little pricey to
see if it will help get me 1" group @ 150.

wpayne · « **Reply #24 on:** March 11, 2004, 12:26:26 PM »

Quote from: DannoBoone

Well, Oldsnow, I guess no sporting goods store around here is worth their
salt. One "counter person" at Gander Mountain didn't even know such
primers exist. A guy at another store insisted they weren't needed, since
the other primers will work. It looks as though the choice is ordering them
by the thousand or getting Cecil's product. Either way is a little pricey to
see if it will help get me 1" group @ 150.

Same deal here, no one has them, and most haven't heard of them. And as for ordering, am I the only one that feels dumb paying a $20 hazmat shipping fee for something that barely costs $20 in the first place???

Underclocked · « **Reply #25 on:** March 11, 2004, 12:49:46 PM »

http://www.gamaliel.com/cart/customer/product.php?productid=3956&cat=965&page=1

If a person could get a group of guys and split the Hazmat nonsense fee....... not too bad.

I've shot nothing near the number that OldSnow has but I can make a couple of observations about the 209-4 primers. They were perfectly effective at igniting my charges, they always extracted VERY easily, and there "seemed" to be a bit less fouling in the bore. I've shot a total of perhaps 40 of the primers. Accuracy-wise in that brief sample, I could tell no difference.

If a person was to spring for one of the conversions, the ACP makes a lot more sense to me so far as availability of cheap brass and NO trimming required.

sduve · « **Reply #26 on:** March 11, 2004, 01:02:29 PM »

What a pleasant post, thanks Underclocked.

grouse · « **Reply #27 on:** March 11, 2004, 06:37:24 PM »

Quote from: sduve

What a pleasant post, thanks Underclocked.

Underclock is alway's pleasant. :-) His gender is unknown also :-D :grin:

Oldsnow · « **Reply #28 on:** March 12, 2004, 12:28:43 PM »

Grouse did youy ever try any of the Remington 209-4 primers that you got from Hakes?

grouse · « **Reply #29 on:** March 13, 2004, 02:13:25 AM »

Quote from: Oldsnow

Grouse did youy ever try any of the Remington 209-4 primers that you got from Hakes?

Hi Oldsnow,
Ya i did. It was a turn off for me because they wouldn't
go bang in my Knight rifle with 777 pellets. Now i am starting to
use loose powder they might work better. A friend of mine used them
all year in his Omega. I dont think there was any difference for him.
I will check and see, and let ya know.