Is this the "one world religion" we read about in prophesy?

[ironglow]

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   Sure sounds like something an anti Christ would sponsor..at least this version of it !

  https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2021/09/christians-buried-or-burned-alive-their-muslim-raymond-ibrahim/

[Dee]

As was Hitler, Mussolini, Castro, the list goes on.

[ironglow]

As was Hitler, Mussolini, Castro, the list goes on.

  Not quite..    True, Hitler was into the occult, but Mussilini was ambivalent at best. Castro, stalin, Mao, the Kims and other leftist/Marxist schemes are anti-religion.

[Dee]

So JWs is a cult, and Islam is a religion?

Following Marxism is a scheme, following Islam is a religion?

BS!

[ironglow]

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   Politicians and pundits call Islam .."one of the three Abrahamic religions"!  Makes little difference what I say.

  BTW: A person can be deeply involved in a religion...and still be in a cult. Religion and cults are not mutually exclusive.

[Dee]

Some folks worship money. That's their religion. Some folks bow to government. That's their religion.
Believing in Marxism, following it, practicing it, promoting it, living it, is no different than any other belief system. I.E. religion. 

[ironglow]

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   " 5 And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to utter blasphemies against God, blaspheming his name and his dwelling, that is, those who dwell in heaven. 7 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation, 8 and all awho dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb dwho was slain."

   (Rev 13:5-8)

[locust]

Some folks worship money. That's their religion. Some folks bow to government. That's their religion.
Believing in Marxism, following it, practicing it, promoting it, living it, is no different than any other belief system. I.E. religion. 

Dee is very much correct . many things are ,in that cense , worshiped as if there were no other . the beast that ironglow wonders about is the honor thats given to earthly governments. patriotism is also a form of worship and not confined to one country. that great beast wants it all, no sharing ,no competition or influence to be given . when push come to shove does government come first or the worship of the most high God ? they can not share
 

[ironglow]

FRom Locust;
 
   " . the beast that ironglow wonders about is the honor thats given to earthly governments"
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   Hmmm..let's take a  that chapter..

  (Rev 13:1)  Says "upon HIS horns, ten crowns, and upon hIS heads the name of blasphemy"

  vs 2..       the dragon gave HIM power and HIS seat
 
  vs 4 .       "Who is able to make war with HIM?"

  vs 5         "and power was given to HIM."

   vs 6 "  "HE opened HIS mouth in blasphemy"

    vs7   "and it was given unto HIM"

  vs9  "and all that dwell upon the earth shall worship HIM"

  vs 11  "HE had two horns like a lamb"
 
   vs 13   ""and HE doeth great wonders"

   vs14   "those miracles which HE had the power  "

 vs 15  " and HE had power to give life unto the image of the beast"

  vs16  "and HE causeth all both small and great"

  vs17  " the name of the beast or the number of HIS name"

 vs 18  " Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a MAN".

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Hmmmm...don't sound like the Bible is speaking about a combine of nations....but rather about a MAN !
 
 

 

[locust]

FRom Locust;
 
   " . the beast that ironglow wonders about is the honor thats given to earthly governments"
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   Hmmm..let's take a  that chapter..

  (Rev 13:1)  Says "upon HIS horns, ten crowns, and upon hIS heads the name of blasphemy"

  vs 2..       the dragon gave HIM power and HIS seat
 
  vs 4 .       "Who is able to make war with HIM?"

  vs 5         "and power was given to HIM."

   vs 6 "  "HE opened HIS mouth in blasphemy"

    vs7   "and it was given unto HIM"

  vs9  "and all that dwell upon the earth shall worship HIM"

  vs 11  "HE had two horns like a lamb"
 
   vs 13   ""and HE doeth great wonders"

   vs14   "those miracles which HE had the power  "

 vs 15  " and HE had power to give life unto the image of the beast"

  vs16  "and HE causeth all both small and great"

  vs17  " the name of the beast or the number of HIS name"

 vs 18  " Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a MAN".

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Hmmmm...don't sound like the Bible is speaking about a combine of nations....but rather about a MAN !

and that number is 6

[ironglow]

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   I don't reckon, anyone has called Germany, France, Belgium or Portugal, "HIM" in a long time, let alone, the EU !

[locust]

FRom Locust;
 
   " . the beast that ironglow wonders about is the honor thats given to earthly governments"
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   Hmmm..let's take a  that chapter..

  (Rev 13:1)  Says "upon HIS horns, ten crowns, and upon hIS heads the name of blasphemy"

  vs 2..       the dragon gave HIM power and HIS seat
 
  vs 4 .       "Who is able to make war with HIM?"

  vs 5         "and power was given to HIM."

   vs 6 "  "HE opened HIS mouth in blasphemy"

    vs7   "and it was given unto HIM"

  vs9  "and all that dwell upon the earth shall worship HIM"

  vs 11  "HE had two horns like a lamb"
 
   vs 13   ""and HE doeth great wonders"

   vs14   "those miracles which HE had the power  "

 vs 15  " and HE had power to give life unto the image of the beast"

  vs16  "and HE causeth all both small and great"

  vs17  " the name of the beast or the number of HIS name"

 vs 18  " Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a MAN".

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Hmmmm...don't sound like the Bible is speaking about a combine of nations....but rather about a MAN !

and then what happens ?

[ironglow]

FRom Locust;
 
   " . the beast that ironglow wonders about is the honor thats given to earthly governments"
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   Hmmm..let's take a  that chapter..

  (Rev 13:1)  Says "upon HIS horns, ten crowns, and upon hIS heads the name of blasphemy"

  vs 2..       the dragon gave HIM power and HIS seat
 
  vs 4 .       "Who is able to make war with HIM?"

  vs 5         "and power was given to HIM."

   vs 6 "  "HE opened HIS mouth in blasphemy"

    vs7   "and it was given unto HIM"

  vs9  "and all that dwell upon the earth shall worship HIM"

  vs 11  "HE had two horns like a lamb"
 
   vs 13   ""and HE doeth great wonders"

   vs14   "those miracles which HE had the power  "

 vs 15  " and HE had power to give life unto the image of the beast"

  vs16  "and HE causeth all both small and great"

  vs17  " the name of the beast or the number of HIS name"

 vs 18  " Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a MAN".

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Hmmmm...don't sound like the Bible is speaking about a combine of nations....but rather about a MAN !

and then what happens ?

  But it depends upon whether the beast is a man or a combine of nations.  First, show us which the beast is, please.

[locust]

FRom Locust;
 
   " . the beast that ironglow wonders about is the honor thats given to earthly governments"
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   Hmmm..let's take a  that chapter..

  (Rev 13:1)  Says "upon HIS horns, ten crowns, and upon hIS heads the name of blasphemy"

  vs 2..       the dragon gave HIM power and HIS seat
 
  vs 4 .       "Who is able to make war with HIM?"

  vs 5         "and power was given to HIM."

   vs 6 "  "HE opened HIS mouth in blasphemy"

    vs7   "and it was given unto HIM"

  vs9  "and all that dwell upon the earth shall worship HIM"

  vs 11  "HE had two horns like a lamb"
 
   vs 13   ""and HE doeth great wonders"

   vs14   "those miracles which HE had the power  "

 vs 15  " and HE had power to give life unto the image of the beast"

  vs16  "and HE causeth all both small and great"

  vs17  " the name of the beast or the number of HIS name"

 vs 18  " Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a MAN".

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Hmmmm...don't sound like the Bible is speaking about a combine of nations....but rather about a MAN !

and then what happens ?

  But it depends upon whether the beast is a man or a combine of nations.  First, show us which the beast is, please.

A man ?? no not a man .look at is as if were a movement to remove religion . all ready there are people that despise any thing to do with religion ,it has been the source of many war's . then there is religion telling, backing , government what to do.  you live in a republic .you have a say ,of sorts ,the way the government goes . its looking like a loosing battle . there is nothing you can do about it but to be right with God.

[ironglow]

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      From locust;

   " man ?? no not a man .look at is as if were a movement to remove religion"

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  OK, so today I am from Missouri...show me !  Consult the Bible..and show me the text that says the beast is not a man  !

[Bob Riebe]

A man ?? no not a man .look at is as if were a movement to remove religion .

The Bible supports that notion in no way.

[locust]

A man ?? no not a man .look at is as if were a movement to remove religion .

The Bible supports that notion in no way.

You say that because you think you have laws that protect you're rights ,that it can never happen here ?

[Dee]

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      From locust;

   " man ?? no not a man .look at is as if were a movement to remove religion"

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  OK, so today I am from Missouri...show me !  Consult the Bible..and show me the text that says the beast is not a man  !

Well, today as every other day, I'm from Texas. Show me the scriptures from the Bible that says "the beast" is a man.

[locust]

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      From locust;

   " man ?? no not a man .look at is as if were a movement to remove religion"

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  OK, so today I am from Missouri...show me !  Consult the Bible..and show me the text that says the beast is not a man  !

you should know by now that the bible's book of Revelation was and is presented in the form of signs . the great harlot is all of the religious organizations . she pushes persuades   prods it to her bidding . some day enough is enough and she will be put down. 

[ironglow]

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      From locust;

   " man ?? no not a man .look at is as if were a movement to remove religion"

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  OK, so today I am from Missouri...show me !  Consult the Bible..and show me the text that says the beast is not a man  !

Well, today as every other day, I'm from Texas. Show me the scriptures from the Bible that says "the beast" is a man.
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      Hmmm..let's take a  that chapter..

  (Rev 13:1)  Says "upon HIS horns, ten crowns, and upon hIS heads the name of blasphemy"

  vs 2..       the dragon gave HIM power and HIS seat
 
  vs 4 .       "Who is able to make war with HIM?"

  vs 5         "and power was given to HIM."

   vs 6 "  "HE opened HIS mouth in blasphemy"

    vs7   "and it was given unto HIM"

  vs9  "and all that dwell upon the earth shall worship HIM"

  vs 11  "HE had two horns like a lamb"
 
   vs 13   ""and HE doeth great wonders"

   vs14   "those miracles which HE had the power  "

 vs 15  " and HE had power to give life unto the image of the beast"

  vs16  "and HE causeth all both small and great"

  vs17  " the name of the beast or the number of HIS name"

 vs 18  " Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a MAN".

[Dee]

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      From locust;

   " man ?? no not a man .look at is as if were a movement to remove religion"

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  OK, so today I am from Missouri...show me !  Consult the Bible..and show me the text that says the beast is not a man  !

Well, today as every other day, I'm from Texas. Show me the scriptures from the Bible that says "the beast" is a man.
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      Hmmm..let's take a  that chapter..

  (Rev 13:1)  Says "upon HIS horns, ten crowns, and upon hIS heads the name of blasphemy"

  vs 2..       the dragon gave HIM power and HIS seat
 
  vs 4 .       "Who is able to make war with HIM?"

  vs 5         "and power was given to HIM."

   vs 6 "  "HE opened HIS mouth in blasphemy"

    vs7   "and it was given unto HIM"

  vs9  "and all that dwell upon the earth shall worship HIM"

  vs 11  "HE had two horns like a lamb"
 
   vs 13   ""and HE doeth great wonders"

   vs14   "those miracles which HE had the power  "

 vs 15  " and HE had power to give life unto the image of the beast"

  vs16  "and HE causeth all both small and great"

  vs17  " the name of the beast or the number of HIS name"

 vs 18  " Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a MAN".

So your saying this beast is a man with 7 heads, 10 horns, and a crown on each horn?
Each head had a blasphemous name on it. It looked like a leopard, had feet like a bear, and a mouth like a lion.
Ya think his parents were brother and sister?

[ironglow]

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  No, I don't think that Dee.  I DO think you ought to attend a credible Bible study..but avoid the one at the local Kingdom Hall.

  With that, I will leave this  exercise in futility..

[Dee]

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  No, I don't think that Dee.  I DO think you ought to attend a credible Bible study..but avoid the one at the local Kingdom Hall.

  With that, I will leave this  exercise in futility..

So you think  you understand scripture better than me? And I should attend "a credible" Bible study. Like yours?
Of course you think that.
You think you understand it better than everybody.
Your also an expert in country music song writing, the depression, and everything else.
Why should anyone listen to you? You don't listen to them?
Your never wrong, and everyone else is never right if they disagree with you.

"You" are an exercise in futility. You never admit when your wrong, and you never give an inch no matter the topic.
You appear to consider yourself infallible, and are indignant to being questioned concerning your opinions.
You don't look to discuss, you look to convince everyone to agree with you.

In other words, you resent your opinions being challenged (how dare we), and will never concede that you could be wrong, no matter the topic.

I have an 84 year old uncle that's just like you.  Luckily, he's not a GBO member.

[Lloyd Smale]

some say i will argue about anything One of these posts is the definition of a hypocrite.

[Dee]

Yeah, I saw that. But now there's two.

[ironglow]

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  Dee;  I did not intend to return here, but for clarification, i find I must' so I will try to answer your concerns in a polite manner.  See my replies in red.
    From Dee;
     
    "  you think  you understand scripture better than me? Not necessarily.
Your
  And I should attend "a credible" Bible study.  I know that sounded like a churlish comment, but it wasn't meant that way, and apologize if it came off that way.  However, there are many "Bble studies" going on, and no orthodox Christian would recommend the Watchtower.

     Like yours?  Nope, there are plenty of good ones, ones that are credible!

  Of course you think that.  Your call, I guess !

   You think you understand it better than everybody.  Oh goodness no!  I wil post some far better
  than myself, at the bottom of the page

  Your also an expert in country music song writing, the depression, and everything else.  I don't claim any of those things, however, if you disagree, rather than get angry, just prove me wrong with facts, figures, data etc. as you recently did with a question concerning the movie"The Passion"..and just as I did then, I will take responsibility for my error.

Why should anyone listen to you? They don't have to, and they know it !

 You don't listen to them?  Sure I do, and it must be obvious by my frequent responses.
   
Your never wrong,  That's your claim..I never said that! that.

  and everyone else is never right if they disagree with you.  Not so, all they have to do is post a reliable correction.

"You" are an exercise in futility. Sorry you feel that way, put me down with facts.

You never admit when your wrong, and you never give an inch no matter the topic. Nope!  just explained it !

  You appear to consider yourself infallible, Nope, no way!
 
   and are indignant to being questioned concerning your opinions. I strive to converse in a dignified way...and would suggest that perhaps you are more often indignant than I.

   You don't look to discuss, you look to convince everyone to agree with you. Isn't that the heart of almost any discussion..seeking to convince ?


   other words, you resent your opinions being challenged (how dare we),Challenge away, but do it with scripture or facts..not just anger!

and will never concede that you could be wrong, no matter the topic. I think I just addressed that issue.

  I have an 84 year old uncle that's just like you.  Luckily, he's not a GBO member."  opinion, and may be an irrelevancy.

   https://davidjeremiah.blog/what-does-666-mean/?tid=ggrants_dj-ad-02.11.20_666-meaning-bible&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIuPHw3OnF8wIVwxx9Ch1QbQoxEAMYASAAEgKk1PD_BwE

[Graybeard]

Is it REALLY asking too much for you guys to play nice?

[Dee]

Probably not Bill. I could likely take it down a notch or two.

[locust]

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      From locust;

   " man ?? no not a man .look at is as if were a movement to remove religion"

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  OK, so today I am from Missouri...show me !  Consult the Bible..and show me the text that says the beast is not a man  !

Well, today as every other day, I'm from Texas. Show me the scriptures from the Bible that says "the beast" is a man.
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      Hmmm..let's take a  that chapter..

  (Rev 13:1)  Says "upon HIS horns, ten crowns, and upon hIS heads the name of blasphemy"

  vs 2..       the dragon gave HIM power and HIS seat
 
  vs 4 .       "Who is able to make war with HIM?"

  vs 5         "and power was given to HIM."

   vs 6 "  "HE opened HIS mouth in blasphemy"

    vs7   "and it was given unto HIM"

  vs9  "and all that dwell upon the earth shall worship HIM"

  vs 11  "HE had two horns like a lamb"
 
   vs 13   ""and HE doeth great wonders"

   vs14   "those miracles which HE had the power  "

 vs 15  " and HE had power to give life unto the image of the beast"

  vs16  "and HE causeth all both small and great"

  vs17  " the name of the beast or the number of HIS name"

 vs 18  " Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a MAN".

So your saying this beast is a man with 7 heads, 10 horns, and a crown on each horn?
Each head had a blasphemous name on it. It looked like a leopard, had feet like a bear, and a mouth like a lion.
Ya think his parents were brother and sister?

each of the heads actually represents a kingdom ,in reality   , only one of of the heads exists at this time . it having 7 heads shows it has existed and always in opposition to God's kingdom .   

[ironglow]

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 Sure Bill, sorry for the ruckus, so I'll drop it and woud expect the same courtesy in return.which will take care of it!