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So Nancy rammed a big spending plan through..
« on: November 06, 2021, 12:32:44 AM »
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   Old plastic face got $1.2 trillion plan through..and she got one Repug-nican to vote for it!

  Next question...who was the lone debt monkey, who got sucked into the game?
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Re: So Nancy rammed a big spending plan through..
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2021, 12:51:12 AM »
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   Old plastic face got $1.2 trillion plan through..and she got one Repug-nican to vote for it!

  Next question...who was the lone debt monkey, who got sucked into the game?
13 Republicans voted WITH Nancy, and 6 Democrats voted against her.
228 to 206

Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green correctly labeled them traitors, and
New York Republicans furnished 31% of that traitorous rebellion.

The Traitor Republicans were:

Bacon of Nebraska
Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania
Garbarino of New York
Gonzales of Ohio
Kato of New York
Kinzinger of Illinois
Mallitokias of New York
McKinley of West Virginia
Reed of New York
Smith of New Jersey
Upton of Michigan
Drew of New Jersey
Young of Alaska

The 6 Democrats voting against Pelosi were:

Bowman of New York
Bush of Missouri
Cortez of New York
Omar of Minnesota
Pressley of Massachusetts
Tlaib of Michigan



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Re: So Nancy rammed a big spending plan through..
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2021, 12:54:55 AM »
Just be grateful you and I probably won't have to pay for it. We can sit back and watch TV & eat Bon Bons. Our great great grand kids will have to pay for it.

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Re: So Nancy rammed a big spending plan through..
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2021, 01:13:37 AM »
Just be grateful you and I probably won't have to pay for it. We can sit back and watch TV & eat Bon Bons. Our great great grand kids will have to pay for it.

The Democrats/idiots and Republicans have already ran the national debt to 29 trillion dollars.
That alone will never be paid. Its called bankruptcy/Depression.
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Re: So Nancy rammed a big spending plan through..
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2021, 01:39:43 AM »
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  Thanks Dee, one source this morning claimed that one Repugnican voted in favor..but you are coorrect, here's the rundown. 

https://nypost.com/2021/11/05/republicans-help-house-pass-1-2t-infrastructure-bill-after-dem-clusterf/
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Re: So Nancy rammed a big spending plan through..
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2021, 02:31:08 AM »
Nothing to worry about ,   Joe  & Nancy say  the bill is paid for . 

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Re: So Nancy rammed a big spending plan through..
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2021, 03:41:00 AM »
I would bet there were a lot more republicans that would have liked to vote for it, but decided not to for fear of losing their job.  Then there is Joe Manchin, who conservatives think is on our side of reason, but ends up voting with the Marxists more times than not. 
Here is Manchins comment from the article IG posted.
“I am pleased the House of Representatives passed this bipartisan legislation, and look forward to President Biden signing it into law,” he said. “I have always said that the best politics is good government, and I’m incredibly proud of my bipartisan colleagues for their tireless efforts to get this across the finish line and deliver on this major investment in the needs of America.”   He is as bad as the rest of them, yet he tries to make it look like he is a moderate.   This country is so screwed.  I'm sure a large majority of this spending bill is unconstitutional. In fact probably all of it is, but that don't matter anymore. 
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Re: So Nancy rammed a big spending plan through..
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2021, 03:55:04 AM »
Agreed! I have read here on GBO, naive ideological conservatives take up for Manchin. Manchin is a Democrat FIRST, and a patriot when its convenient.
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2021, 04:06:58 AM »
I have a friend that owns a farm in WV, and he is always sticking up for Manchin. I generally get into a discussion/argument about Manchin's true identity.   Manchin voting for this POS bill, and even promoting it, just reinforces my argument that he is no different than the rest of the Marxist democrats. 
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2021, 04:17:50 AM »
  The bill goes back to the senate next  for any amendments .  Thats when we see the true turncoats some of which had a chance to nip the bill in the bud . Lindsey Graham  for one  comes to mind .

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Re: So Nancy rammed a big spending plan through..
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2021, 04:34:24 AM »
I have a friend that owns a farm in WV, and he is always sticking up for Manchin. I generally get into a discussion/argument about Manchin's true identity.   Manchin voting for this POS bill, and even promoting it, just reinforces my argument that he is no different than the rest of the Marxist democrats.

Every farmer I ever met said Democrats treat farmers better than Republicans do.
Democratic led "farm subsidies", i.e. farm welfare.
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Re: So Nancy rammed a big spending plan through..
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2021, 04:39:44 AM »
I have a friend that owns a farm in WV, and he is always sticking up for Manchin. I generally get into a discussion/argument about Manchin's true identity.   Manchin voting for this POS bill, and even promoting it, just reinforces my argument that he is no different than the rest of the Marxist democrats.

Every farmer I ever met said Democrats treat farmers better than Republicans do.
Democratic led "farm subsidies", i.e. farm welfare.

Exactly, and its why a lot of farmers are pro democrats, because the democrats send them money for doing nothing.  Even though my friend doesn't own a working farm, and he gets no subsidies. He for some reason thinks Manchin is on the side of reason. He will soon find out what Manchin really is. Just another democrat. 
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Re: So Nancy rammed a big spending plan through..
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2021, 05:08:59 AM »
If your friend is still a Democrat after watching Joe Biden for the last 10 months, I wouldn't expect any great revelations from him in the near future.
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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2021, 05:57:31 AM »
We have seen the last of Manchin as a WV democratic. His only path forward in 2024 is running as a independent.

If he puts the reconciliation bill across the line, doubt the independent label will save him.

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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2021, 06:04:13 AM »
I think a DC wind chime party is about all that would save this country. The 2022 election is 12 months away. Will our economy survive the ontinual governmental assault that long?
How close to the edge are we really?
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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2021, 06:18:15 AM »
I think a DC wind chime party is about all that would save this country. The 2022 election is 12 months away. Will our economy survive the ontinual governmental assault that long?
How close to the edge are we really?

Not confident we’ll have elections in 2022.
50/50 chance of martial law.
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Re: So Nancy rammed a big spending plan through..
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2021, 06:32:09 AM »
I think a DC wind chime party is about all that would save this country. The 2022 election is 12 months away. Will our economy survive the ontinual governmental assault that long?
How close to the edge are we really?


   The damage Biden  has done  so far ,I dont think  any  future election will  fix . China & Russia have a window of opportunity  right now more than at anytime in history ,   . I look for them to make a move  soon .

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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2021, 06:34:00 AM »
Democrats were originally talking about 3.5 trillion. But I doubt any of this will be used on our infrastructure.
Or very little.
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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2021, 06:39:49 AM »
Democrats were originally talking about 3.5 trillion.
  Its all just estimates , no one really knows the cost . But to be on the safe side you can likely double  their numbers and still be on the low  side .

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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2021, 08:02:49 AM »
National Debt 2017 $20 Trillion

National Debt 2020 $27.5 Trillion

Hmmmmm.

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Re: So Nancy rammed a big spending plan through..
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2021, 11:36:02 AM »
If your friend is still a Democrat after watching Joe Biden for the last 10 months, I wouldn't expect any great revelations from him in the near future.

No, my friend was never a democrat. He just thought Joe Manchin was going to side with conservatives rather than the democrats. My only argument with him was that Manchin is a democrat, and will most always vote with the party. Which he has done.   
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Re: So Nancy rammed a big spending plan through..
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2021, 03:05:09 AM »
If your friend is still a Democrat after watching Joe Biden for the last 10 months, I wouldn't expect any great revelations from him in the near future.

No, my friend was never a democrat. He just thought Joe Manchin was going to side with conservatives rather than the democrats. My only argument with him was that Manchin is a democrat, and will most always vote with the party. Which he has done.   


One thing to remember about career politicians.  They quit working for their constituents a long, long time ago. (If they ever did). They now work for their personal bank accounts. They could give a spit about yours and mine. If it takes bankrupting a country to do it........So be it. They know that their sheeple (the ones who voted for them in the beginning), will continue to do so because they will vote party lines every time. Every time I hear people say Pelosi, Schumer, Manchin, or others in the Donkey party need to go, I think.....Yea! and send Romney, Graham,McConnell,and a host of other Elephants with them. But we know that isn't going to happen.
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« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2021, 03:14:22 AM »
Its like wishing Congress would vote themselves out of a gravy train.

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Re: So Nancy rammed a big spending plan through..
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2021, 03:16:13 AM »
If your friend is still a Democrat after watching Joe Biden for the last 10 months, I wouldn't expect any great revelations from him in the near future.

No, my friend was never a democrat. He just thought Joe Manchin was going to side with conservatives rather than the democrats. My only argument with him was that Manchin is a democrat, and will most always vote with the party. Which he has done.   


One thing to remember about career politicians.  They quit working for their constituents a long, long time ago. (If they ever did). They now work for their personal bank accounts. They could give a spit about yours and mine. If it takes bankrupting a country to do it........So be it. They know that their sheeple (the ones who voted for them in the beginning), will continue to do so because they will vote party lines every time. Every time I hear people say Pelosi, Schumer, Manchin, or others in the Donkey party need to go, I think.....Yea! and send Romney, Graham,McConnell,and a host of other Elephants with them. But we know that isn't going to happen.

Do you suppose it means they are doing what their constituents want.

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Re: So Nancy rammed a big spending plan through..
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2021, 08:54:25 AM »
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  It seems that Manchin talks a big, moderate game until he gets what he wants, then votes Demonrat anyway.
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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2021, 09:07:36 AM »
Manchin hid behind those 13 sold out yankee Republicans and voted his party. Manchin is a coward.
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« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2021, 10:09:07 AM »
Manchin reminds me of Lindsey Graham.

If climate protesters keep throwing stuff at his Maserati, maybe he’ll get mad and tank the Reconciliation bill.
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« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2021, 01:29:30 PM »
I agree.
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« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2021, 05:04:48 AM »
This is what the republicans helped the democrats pass. Really didn't have much to do with this country's infrastructure as some of the pathetic republicans stated.  Gotta love the 10 year amnesty for illegal immigrants that can't be undone by any administration for 10 years. Oh, and millions to the IRS to help government look at bank accounts with more than 10K in them.   

 How 31 Republicans Just Betrayed The Country To Reward Illegal Immigration, Worsen Inflation, And Pay Off Democrats’ DonorsA vote for the bipartisan infrastructure bill is a vote for Biden's reconciliation legislation -- the largest cradle-to-grave expansion of federal power since the New Deal.
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By Rachel Bovard
November 8, 2021

At nearly midnight on Friday, 13 House Republicans gave Speaker Nancy Pelosi the votes she needed to pass the so-called “bipartisan infrastructure bill” — colloquially known in DC as the BIF. In doing so, these House Republicans, among them two members of the House GOP leadership team, all but guaranteed House passage of Joe Biden’s hotly partisan, $2 trillion reconciliation bill, which represents the largest cradle-to-grave expansion of federal power since the New Deal.

Over at National Review, Philip Klein called the move by these 13 Republicans “political malpractice,” and a “betrayal.” He’s right, particularly on the first point.

Republicans who supported the bill predictably justified their vote as one for “roads and bridges,” pointing to the benefits that the bill’s largest provisions — like the $47 billion in climate funding and the $66 billion for the failing Amtrak system, provided without any reform — will ostensibly bring to their districts.

As Rep. Don Bacon (R-Neb.) told The Hill, “I thought it was good for our district, I thought it was good for our country.” Meanwhile, left-of-center commentator Andrew Sullivan huffed about the “fanatical tribalism” being applied to a bill about infrastructure.

That the BIF was a bill solely focused on infrastructure may have been true at the bill’s conception. But for months, a single and unavoidable political reality has been obvious: the substance of the bill hardly mattered. Rather, the infrastructure bill was but a chit, a chess piece, in forcing through passage of the larger, hotly partisan reconciliation legislation. Their fates were linked; one would not pass without the other.

This was a choice made very clearly, and very openly, by congressional Democrats. In June, Pelosi stated, “There ain’t gonna be no bipartisan bill, unless we have a reconciliation bill,” a sentiment she reiterated in October when she confirmed “the bipartisan infrastructure bill will pass once we have agreement on the reconciliation bill.”

House Progressives made the linkage of the two bills central to their strategy of leveraging concessions in the reconciliation legislation, refusing to provide votes for the BIF until their reconciliation demands were met (six of them ended up refusing to support passage the BIF, paving the way for House Republicans to be the deciding votes).

Even President Joe Biden tied the fate of the infrastructure legislation to the reconciliation bill. He did so explicitly in June, then said he didn’t really mean it after Senate Republicans expressed outrage (but then 18 of them voted to pass the bill in August, anyway), and then linked them again in October when he told House Democrats that infrastructure “ain’t going to happen until we reach an agreement on the next piece of legislation,” reconciliation the infrastructure bill.

So to claim that a vote for the infrastructure legislation was merely a vote for “roads and bridges,” devoid of any other major political context, is just willfully ignorant of the obvious and openly stated politics at work. A vote for the infrastructure bill was very clearly a vote for the reconciliation legislation. The inability to understand this reality raises not only questions of basic political acumen, but of the ability of House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy’s leadership team to hold their conference together on consequential votes.

It’s worth unpacking a few of the provisions in the reconciliation bill that this group of Republicans will help make possible. Among them:

    A 10-year amnesty for illegal immigrants, which includes work permits and driver’s licenses and cannot be undone by future administrations for a decade.
    Provides millions of dollars in funding for the IRS to enforce the Biden administration’s plan to review every bank account with $10,000 or more.
    Expands and shores up provisions of Obamacare.
    Eliminates the statutory cap on employment visas, effectively allowing Big Tech companies and other mega-corporations to prioritize hiring foreign workers over American workers.
    Facilitates enforcement of Biden’s vaccine mandate by increasing OSHA penalties on businesses up to $700,000 per violation and provides billions in funding for the Department of Labor to increase enforcement.
    Mandates taxpayer coverage of abortion, leaving the long-agreed upon Hyde amendment out of the bill.
    Provides half a trillion dollars in climate spending, including clean energy tax credits to subsidize solar, electric vehicles, and clean energy production, as well as federal spending on clean energy technology and manufacturing, all while limiting domestic energy production, thereby increasing dependence on Russia and China.
    Provides roughly $400 billion for expanded government childcare and universal pre-K, which pumps millions into failed Head Start programs, excludes support for families who prefer at-home child-care arrangements, and by requiring that preschool teachers have a college degree, will reduce the availability of child-care options.
    A host of new taxes, and a giant tax cut for the rich: by including a repeal on the cap for the state and local tax deduction, Democrats will provide a $30 billion net direct tax cut for the top 5 percent of earners, largely in blue states where the state and local taxes are much higher.

The “Build Back Better” reconciliation legislation is a bill that transforms the role of the state in every aspect of an individual’s life, while expanding key Democratic priorities like amnesty, abortion, cheap foreign labor, a dysfunctional health care system, and invasions of financial privacy. And consideration of the bill in the House wasn’t made possible by the Democrats in the majority, but by House Republicans. 

There are those, like Sullivan, who will still bemoan that political polarization has taken over even relatively popular policies like infrastructure. But politicizing the infrastructure bill was the clear and unambiguous choice that Democrats made when they linked the two bills. To expect most Republicans to be as tin-eared and politically naive (or, like Rep. Adam Kinzinger, as openly tied to Democratic priorities) as the group of 13 is ridiculous. It’s asking them to act against their own self-interest.

Democrats drafted a partisan reconciliation bill with no Republican input, full of provisions they knew Republicans wouldn’t support, and then hijacked an otherwise bipartisan bill to ensure passage of its much more expansive and partisan cousin. This was a specific choice Democrats made, and Republicans are not responsible for it — nor should they be expected to vote for a bill that is the stated gateway to related legislation with which they profoundly disagree.

Regardless, the infrastructure bill now goes to the president’s desk. Eighteen Republican senators helped pass it in August, and so did 13 House Republicans (for a total of 31), knowing full well they were also voting on the amnesty-filled, abortion-funding, financially-snooping, cheap-labor loving reconciliation bill, gave it the required boost. Betrayal, as Klein noted, is not too strong a term.
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