Watching the Rittenhouse trial on OAN..

[ironglow]

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     Rittenhouse looks pretty good and also sincere.  The judge seems really P- - - -ed at the prosecutor..

[billy_56081]

 I can't imagine a conviction in this case.

[DEACONLLB]

I have watched it on Fox but my opinion for what it is worth is he and I think his brother should have never been there in the first place yes he was trying to help but he was not a law officer or anything of that kind. I thought you had to be 18 to buy rifle or shotgun and 21 to buy a pistol He even admitted he knew nothing about ammo. We shall see how it plays out he is in trouble even if not convicted as the Family of the person will sue for wrongful death.

Deaconllb

[Dee]

I think the kid should move to Texas. He'd be better off down here, and we'd love to have him.

[O-mega]

I have watched it on Fox but my opinion for what it is worth is he and I think his brother should have never been there in the first place yes he was trying to help but he was not a law officer or anything of that kind. I thought you had to be 18 to buy rifle or shotgun and 21 to buy a pistol He even admitted he knew nothing about ammo. We shall see how it plays out he is in trouble even if not convicted as the Family of the person will sue for wrongful death.

Deaconllb

I really hate that line of thinking, a young man exercises his rights and the point that gets brought up time and time again is that he should not have been there.  Who would do the job if people like him don't step up and do the right thing?  The police have said, and shown, that they will not do anything except put up the crime scene tape and draw the chalk lines in these situations, so what is the public to do, just let their livelihoods go up in flames, let these lawless rioters, looters, murderers have their way?

[Dee]

I have watched it on Fox but my opinion for what it is worth is he and I think his brother should have never been there in the first place yes he was trying to help but he was not a law officer or anything of that kind. I thought you had to be 18 to buy rifle or shotgun and 21 to buy a pistol He even admitted he knew nothing about ammo. We shall see how it plays out he is in trouble even if not convicted as the Family of the person will sue for wrongful death.

Deaconllb

I really hate that line of thinking, a young man exercises his rights and the point that gets brought up time and time again is that he should not have been there.  Who would do the job if people like him don't step up and do the right thing?  The police have said, and shown, that they will not do anything except put up the crime scene tape and draw the chalk lines in these situations, so what is the public to do, just let their livelihoods go up in flames, let these lawless rioters, looters, murderers have their way?

Plus One Omega

[DEACONLLB]

Now the Lawyers and the Judge are going at it on TV This is true he has a right to defend himself however he placed himself in a position that he had to defend himself because he chose to go there when a riot was going on when he had no business to be in that area in the first place. Now if he owned property there or a business then he has a right to defend himself and his property but in this case he had no business being there in the first place he made a bad choice.

Deaconllb

[O-mega]

Now the Lawyers and the Judge are going at it on TV This is true he has a right to defend himself however he placed himself in a position that he had to defend himself because he chose to go there when a riot was going on when he had no business to be in that area in the first place. Now if he owned property there or a business then he has a right to defend himself and his property but in this case he had no business being there in the first place he made a bad choice.

Deaconllb

So you feel someone needs a reason to be somewhere, whether it be potentially dangerous or not?  So because someone chooses to be at a gas station, bank, or any other location where it is shown to be dangerous because of the propensity of armed robberies or other crimes, it is their fault?

[Mule 11]

Now the Lawyers and the Judge are going at it on TV This is true he has a right to defend himself however he placed himself in a position that he had to defend himself because he chose to go there when a riot was going on when he had no business to be in that area in the first place. Now if he owned property there or a business then he has a right to defend himself and his property but in this case he had no business being there in the first place he made a bad choice.

Deaconllb

I see you have no problem answering his questions and stating your opinion even though totally unqualified to do so...

[Mule 11]

Now the Lawyers and the Judge are going at it on TV This is true he has a right to defend himself however he placed himself in a position that he had to defend himself because he chose to go there when a riot was going on when he had no business to be in that area in the first place. Now if he owned property there or a business then he has a right to defend himself and his property but in this case he had no business being there in the first place he made a bad choice.

Deaconllb

“However he placed himself in a position that he had to defend himself”
Ya gotta be kidding right? Placed himself in the position of being attacked while retreating to the best of his ability and while being feloniously attacked defended himself. Quit watching main stream news and repeating the lefts rhetoric...

[BUGEYE]

I have watched it on Fox but my opinion for what it is worth is he and I think his brother should have never been there in the first place yes he was trying to help but he was not a law officer or anything of that kind. I thought you had to be 18 to buy rifle or shotgun and 21 to buy a pistol He even admitted he knew nothing about ammo. We shall see how it plays out he is in trouble even if not convicted as the Family of the person will sue for wrongful death.

Deaconllb

I really hate that line of thinking, a young man exercises his rights and the point that gets brought up time and time again is that he should not have been there.  Who would do the job if people like him don't step up and do the right thing?  The police have said, and shown, that they will not do anything except put up the crime scene tape and draw the chalk lines in these situations, so what is the public to do, just let their livelihoods go up in flames, let these lawless rioters, looters, murderers have their way?

^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^

[mcbammer]

    Theres been some jury tampering from what I hear. 

[ironglow]

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  Deacon;
   Yes, Rittenhouse did place himself in a place where things could turn sour.  ..But I believe we all have done that
   at one time or another.
  Perhaps you haven't seen any part of the trial, but information is coming out, which was not revealed via the networks.  This young man was a member of the junior training unit of his hometown fire department, and had
  training in helpingthe injured (CPR etc) and some training in firefighting.

   According to his testimony, he went there first, to provide aid and some firefighting capability.  He did some first aid..and fought a fire at a church down the street from the Auto Source store.

   At 17, I doubt he thought through the notion that if you go to "guard" something...you may have to shoot
   somebody.
  Nevertheless, each person he shot was a justified shooting ..each one was attacking him..one with a handgun, another with a skateboard and the last tried to take his rifle away..  All were obviously, attacks upon his person.

  The usual fake news reports were inaccurate, to say the least.  It has been found during the trial, that one of the fake news networks actually edited the video of the now dead guy who leveled a handgun at Rittenhouse.  They edited it so as to not show the threat.

  We should remember that any citizen has a right to travel where they wish in the country, without interference.
  In this case we should be blaming those who are working to destroy that right, and many other American rights.
   
  The ones to blame for all this turmoil is the radical leftists and the Democrats who endorse their actions. They and they alone are to blame for the shameful destruction going on.

     Some poor choices?  Possibly, but teenagers are noted for that !  Let's give the lad credit for being a patriot and one who wished to be of help and service.

[guzzijohn]

From IG:

We should remember that any citizen has a right to travel where they wish in the country, without interference.
  In this case we should be blaming those who are working to destroy that right, and many other American rights.

Apparently this does not apply in Georgia, just ask Ahmaud Arbery . Oh wait, that is no longer possible.
GuzziJohn

[Dee]

From IG:

We should remember that any citizen has a right to travel where they wish in the country, without interference.
  In this case we should be blaming those who are working to destroy that right, and many other American rights.

Apparently this does not apply in Georgia, just ask Ahmaud Arbery . Oh wait, that is no longer possible.
GuzziJohn

LMAO! Guzzle doesn't even comprehend the difference in the two cases.

[ironglow]

From IG:

We should remember that any citizen has a right to travel where they wish in the country, without interference.
  In this case we should be blaming those who are working to destroy that right, and many other American rights.

Apparently this does not apply in Georgia, just ask Ahmaud Arbery . Oh wait, that is no longer possible.
GuzziJohn

  So Guzzi...did you not see the posts I made concerning the Arbery situation?   I condemned those killers just as stridently as I do, the worthless rioters who tried to kill Rittenhouse!

   Only difference..Rittenhouse was armed..  Another score for the 2nd amendment!

[guzzijohn]

from IG:

So Guzzi...did you not see the posts I made concerning the Arbery situation?   I condemned those killers just as stridently as I do, the worthless rioters who tried to kill Rittenhouse!

I am quite sure there are others here that do not condemn the killers of Arbery and believe it was a justified shooting. If Rittenhouse had been a 17 year old black kid he most likely would have been arrested and/or shot on the spot by police.
GuzziJohn

[BUGEYE]

from IG:

So Guzzi...did you not see the posts I made concerning the Arbery situation?   I condemned those killers just as stridently as I do, the worthless rioters who tried to kill Rittenhouse!

I am quite sure there are others here that do not condemn the killers of Arbery and believe it was a justified shooting. If Rittenhouse had been a 17 year old black kid he most likely would have been arrested and/or shot on the spot by police.
GuzziJohn

It was not a justified shooting.
the first shot entered his abdomen and exited out his right side.
In other words Arbery was trying to run on by the truck and Travis shot him as he ran past.
Arbery then turned to try to stop the shooting where Travis shot him twice more.  Once in the arm and the final shot in the chest.

[Mule 11]

If that is true then the shooting was unjustified. I have not seen this evidence... These two incidents are very different and those that won’t or can’t see the difference are a waste of oxygen...

[BUGEYE]

If that is true then the shooting was unjustified. I have not seen this evidence... These two incidents are very different and those that won’t or can’t see the difference are a waste of oxygen...

In the Arbery case, I saw the video that had been shown frame by frame with the sound of the shotgun at each moment.
The direction of the wound channel showed that Arbery was not facing Travis when he shot him in front of the truck.
He had been, in the words of the elder McMichael, trapped like a rat by three white men so I'm sure adrenaline was surging through him and even with a shotgun blast through his gut he tried to take the gun away.
And the elder McMichael said if his boy hadn't shot Arbery, he would have.
It was murder.
Three white men in south Georgia chasing a black boy with two trucks, I'm sure he knew he was gonna die.

[Mule 11]

Only video I’ve seen does not prove anything... What does this have to do with Rittenhouse?

[DDZ]

I have watched it on Fox but my opinion for what it is worth is he and I think his brother should have never been there in the first place yes he was trying to help but he was not a law officer or anything of that kind. I thought you had to be 18 to buy rifle or shotgun and 21 to buy a pistol He even admitted he knew nothing about ammo. We shall see how it plays out he is in trouble even if not convicted as the Family of the person will sue for wrongful death.

Deaconllb

You posted twice saying that Rittenhouse had no business being there. Yet not one mention of the rioters having no business being there. The rioters are the ones that had no business being there, because they were destroying public and private property. Kyle was there to help a business owner save what was left of his business, and he had a rifle to protect himself from a bunch of criminals. Which he did. What started it was a serial child rapist tried to run Kyle down and take his firearm. Kyle justifiably shot him.  There are no wrongful deaths for the families to sue over. The videos show, without any doubt that Kyle acted in self defense, after first trying to run away from those that were trying to kill him.  This country needs more people like Rittenhouse.   

[ironglow]

from IG:

So Guzzi...did you not see the posts I made concerning the Arbery situation?   I condemned those killers just as stridently as I do, the worthless rioters who tried to kill Rittenhouse!

I am quite sure there are others here that do not condemn the killers of Arbery and believe it was a justified shooting. If Rittenhouse had been a 17 year old black kid he most likely would have been arrested and/or shot on the spot by police.
GuzziJohn

 Problem being, in your post#13 you accused me of not caring about the Arbery killing !

   You can see by photos I've posted, that I am obviously white..so do you automatically think I have to be "racist" ?  By that measure, it sounds like you are falling hook, line and sinker, for the line of propaganda being being published bythe Socio/communists who anre busy trying to destroy our country..  I hope that is not the case..

  I haven't seen much of the Arbery trial, but if it is anywhere near what the reports say it is..the defense is likely to have as difficult a job to do as the prosecution in the Rittenhouse case

     Now for this statement you made;
  ". If Rittenhouse had been a 17 year old black kid he most likely would have been arrested and/or shot on the spot by police. "

  Can you see the prejudice you have shown there?  You seem to assume that all or any cop would be prejudice to the degree that they would kill any black man they have contact with!
   Let me ask you a question now.  Of all the highly publicised cases such as Michael Brown etc..how many were the result of somebody resisting arrest, or refusing to comply?

   Now, I don't care if a man is white, black, brown, green or purple..you resist..and all bets are off as to your safety.  People should be teaching their kids the 'magic' word....COMPLY !

  BTW: I am not in any way, defending the officer who kneeled on the man's neck far too long..

   Now, those guys in the Arbery case, ..they went far beyond where they should have even thought of going.  If they were concerned with what he was doing, they should have called the police. Very unlike Rittenhouse, they were in no bodily threat, and in fact they had no legal right to even detain him !

  One thing I cannot understand..and perhaps you can help me. 
     Most of the people the riots, burning and looting were predicated upon, were people of very dubious character, people who had criminal records, and sundry brushes with the law.. and each were resisting arrest.  Poor choices to riot over.
  Then there is the Arbery situation..so far as we know, no criminal record, was not resisting arrest, and in fact the people who killed him were acting far beyond their authority..

  Here's the question..Why did mobs riot over criminals who resisted arrest...and then when they did have a bona fide case with Arbery, they for all practical purposes.. ignored it ??

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[BUGEYE]

Only video I’ve seen does not prove anything... What does this have to do with Rittenhouse?

Nothing, except it was brought up so I did my best to explain it as I saw it.
All the evidence in the case was brought out during the prosecution's opening and it was very telling.

As for Rittenhouse, three people tried to kill him and he shot all three, two died.
The kid was trained in CPR and first aid and fire fighting and I'm sure he thought he could help in the absence of police and fire fighters, and our leftist justice system wants to crucify him to show what they'll do to you and me if we get out of line.

[ironglow]

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   This is not to derail the Rittenhouse trial aspect, but the subject of the Arbery case came up.  Somebody saw just one video of that case...OK so perhaps this unedited (claim) video will explain something.
   
    So far as the USA today comments..they are what they are...and could be partisan.

  In this video I see a man jogging..forget the color..pretend he is green..or aqua..  He is jogging down the street by himself, when a pickup truck comes along carrying armed men..(the Taliban calls them "technicals").

   They start ventilating the man with bullet holes..  Being unarmed himself, he obviously tries to disarm the nearest threat, which I believe would be the reaction most of us would have.

  My question again..   Why do the radical leftists not use this more appropriate example of misteatment, rather than hold up such dubious examples as they did?

   Is it because it was not police doing damage in this case?

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3JDE_ZfgSE

[Mule 11]

I watched the video. He charged the guy with the gun and was shot at point blank range. That is what I saw...

[ironglow]

I watched the video. He charged the guy with the gun and was shot at point blank range. That is what I saw...

   But please note, as the video opened, he was jogging alone unarmed.  Then, suddenly a couple armed men come
    along in a "technical".

   Now, do these people normally patrol the neighborhood, and just ,happen upon him', ...or was it an 'ad hoc' mission ?  It surely seems that if they had just ignored the jogger, they would not be in court today..possibly facing
 very long terms in the big house"?

  ..But of course, it is likely many of us have done things in haste that we regretted later.  The difference being, that rarely are they so consequential, for either the subjects or the victim !

[Mule 11]

I am not condoning anything. No shot before being charged by said jogger. I have heard of a edited tape where there is a shot heard before the shooter was charged. Butt of course the MSN or leftists would never lie to promote their view. As far as being armed I’m sure that is within their right’s and would be foolish to expect someone confronting a suspected criminal not to be... I don’t have all the evidence. so I don’t know if they are guilty or not. This is a deflection from the original post and a known leftist did it and in my opinion a true ...

[BUGEYE]

I watched the video. He charged the guy with the gun and was shot at point blank range. That is what I saw...

The news media do not show the entire video.
The prosecutor did.  The first shot took place in front of the truck where Travis shot him as he ran by the truck.

[mcbammer]

    I suggest the fire  departments be on high alert if either case the jury reaches  a not guilty verdict .